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21 Apr 2019 20:47:15
Manchester United need to make some tough decisions, at a time when Real Madrid have reached a position where they need to be decisive, we are sat there being at best indecisive, yet think we compare to them. Sorry but it is a major mistake appointing Solskjaer, the club needs to deal with it up front now, immediately right now. If the club goes through summer trying to support someone who does not have the necessary experience it will be a disaster. Have the guts to realise the mistake and deal with it.

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21 Apr 2019 20:56:11
I will add that the manager needs to be given the authority to deal with players that are not committed and get rid of them but that manager is not Solskjaer.

21 Apr 2019 21:35:11
So your calling for a sacking after a month? Knowing how utterly rubbish most of this squad is?

21 Apr 2019 21:37:00
It really is time to make some harsh decisions, followed by Ed Wood taken away from all footballing decisions including contracts and signings.
Get a dof in fairly sharpish.

21 Apr 2019 21:53:06
Liverpool fan in peace. why do you think the club appointed ole already?

I get that with having the job already he can look at what he wants to do in the summer, but surely he would have been doing that regardless.

Or was it that no other manager fancied the job so they gave it to him.

Just think there was no need to give him the job until the summer, because let's be honest I don't think that there would have been a host of clubs after his signature.

21 Apr 2019 21:56:15

Sacking is a strong word, but there has been a mistake in the appointment that needs to be dealt with. Do we stay with the emotional sentimental appointment or not?

21 Apr 2019 22:06:33
Dress it up how you want your still calling for a sacking. Who said it was an emotional appointment? As the scouser just said we needed someone in place now, before summer starts. Or would you have preferred a manager starting July 1st, saying well actually I'll give everyone a clean slate and no signings?

21 Apr 2019 22:19:32

I am saying there has been a mistake and we need to be decisive. I wanted a process that considered the best options, did we really have that? I want the best manager for the job, take the emotion out of it, do we have that?

21 Apr 2019 22:19:54
Even if it did happen, where ed would look even more foolish with a bizaare u turn, who would we get to manage this circus at this stage? Yes it was strange to appoint when the season is not yet elapsed. Let alone the fact that he may be way short on experience. I realise we only see a snapshot of what is the whole story. Perhaps signings need addressing etc etc - so they jumped the gun and appointed Ole. In retrospect Mourinho had to go anyway (understand again we only see part of that story) . the players he wanted didn't come and he sulked. The remaining players are just not good enough for this club. I think we have no choice but to plough on.

21 Apr 2019 22:27:37
The manager is not the issue at this club, I said all along stick by Jose, the club not doing what José wanted and the players downing tools for him, Ole gets United and what it takes to play for them, he may not be the best manager in the world but to call for his head to replace him is ludicrous we need to stick by a manager and let him manage or we will forever be in this circle. Pep could walk in here today in the structure we have with the players we have and struggle.
Things need to change up above and we do need to be ruthless cz there are some absolute dross at this club and some rotten eggs, Japanese knotweed attacking the house I believe Rednev called it 😂 he is bang on btw.

21 Apr 2019 22:33:10
I agree mort but it looks like an emotional appointment, he had an easy ride for a few games, got through psg luckily, then most united fans that were happy we scrope past psg, everyone got carried away, ex players, players, fans on emotion said give him the job, I seen rio on bt, get the contract give him what he wants,
We rushed it and for me made a mistake.
Now today we look at the players, their not playing for the love of football, not for the love of united, but for the love of money,
I'd dock all their wages after today, and a united player launching a clothes range last week, do that when you retire, they retire young enough.

21 Apr 2019 22:35:59
Personally I'm with red man, I think ole is the wrong appointment.

I think whoever came in was going to make the team have a big jump in performances.

Ole has done nothing in his management career and I feel that you needed someone coming in who would be respected a lot more by the players.

Your in a slump and I don't see ole doing anything to get you out of it.

You will buy in the summer but come the start of the season with all the pressure and expectations, how will the team handle the pressure.

21 Apr 2019 22:43:59

21 Apr 2019 22:48:19
Lavers. They appointed Ole because they had not had a single approach from a top manager in the interim, and any approach they had made was rebuffed. No one wants to work for Woodward now. Ole's initial success gave them all the cover they needed. It seems to have backfired.

21 Apr 2019 22:50:15
How do we know Poch wasn't sounded out, took one look at the state if things an thought you know what the grass isn't greener I'll stick where I am. Course woody ain't going to announce that. So he goes with option b.

22 Apr 2019 01:25:55
Lvg had a much better cv that didn't work. Jose cv even stronger and the fans and players hated it soo much people stopped coming to the ground. Ole made mistakes today but he has to have a chance to make his team with his players before he's written off.

22 Apr 2019 01:37:06
Ole is fine, we have bigger problems to resolve, Carrick is well thought of and Loch maybe be receptive to a change in a year or two.

We should be moving players on who are either not good enough or don't want to be there as well as correcting the dumb transfer and contact decisions made more recently.

Ole can restore what is expected of a United employee over the next year or two and perhaps we can move on from there. Quick fixes don't exist.

21 Apr 2019 23:52:16
Red Man,

Today was a dereliction of duty, a two fingered salute to the manager and the fans. A display of insubordination and indifference.

If we don't stand behind our manager then we absolve this indulgent bunch of all responsibility. There can be no hiding place for charlatans and prima-donnas.

I wholeheartedly disagree with your post. Your talking about sacking a Club legend after a matter of weeks when you have just watched 11 imposters stroll around Goodison Park enjoying the sunshine.

Talent is nothing if it's not backed up with hard work and endeavour. Sadly our most "talented" players have neither. It's time to hit the reset button and let these fraudsters be indulged at other Clubs.

On Wednesday night we should show our support to a manager that delivered us a treble. We send a message to the players and the board exactly where our loyalty lies in a demonstration of solidarity and defiance. We will not accept players that simply want to stroll around the pitch or a trigger happy CEO that seeks to apportion blame at every door other than his own.

You want the Club to sack the only man that actually cares and will no doubt be suffering the most tonight.

It's gone beyond credentials or experience now it's about showing we don't turn on our own and root out the real problem at our Club which is apathetic, disinterested and unambitious players and owners.

Surely Ole deserves the opportunity to put this right and get rid of the players that are disrespecting our Club. I enjoy reading your posts but come on the only way to sort this lot out is to get rid of them not the manager.

22 Apr 2019 06:29:56
Just get rid of the sulking players.
Everything else will follow.

22 Apr 2019 07:13:24
Morning DLIB

I have no doubt Ole cares and will have suffered like the rest of us over the result, however, that doesn’t make him the right manager. We all care but none of us can manage the club. The failed manager of Cardiff is now managing one of the worlds biggest clubs, appointed on the basis of what, 10 games in his managerial career? . I would hope he could be persuaded to resign as the job is too big, bigger than he realised. He may be a club legend but does he have the gravitas to sort out a crisis? Make no mistake, the club is in crisis and the blame for it is at Woodward's door, however Ole is not even SAF light. SAF had player issues but had experience to deal with it and I can’t see the same in Ole.

The players, I said the tail was being allowed to wag the dog when Mourinho was in charge, same applies now and the core problem makers need to be rooted out and sold, no matter who is manager or their standing as a player. Maybe if the club had supported the last manager this would have already been sorted. Once sacked we should have looked at Pochettino and Allegri in a proper appointment process yet didn’t. As we had with the Moyes apologists, there will be some who say no one else was available, wanted the job, only Ole, utter nonsense. It is a crisis and it needs the leadership which we have been sadly lacking since the one leader at the club retired. Even so I can’t see it and think we will bumble on, buy some players, not good enough ones, not sell the real problem players because they are an expensive asset and the structure above, the decision makers will stay the same even if a DOF was brought in. It may take a bigger crisis to get the changes really needed and that could peak by Christmas.

22 Apr 2019 08:09:11
If spurs don't have CL next season and Poch doesn't have any money to spend. would he have not been an option as manager?

22 Apr 2019 08:28:04

what your saying is all well and good . but how do you know Poch or Alegri weren't approached and just said feck that . there is to many rotten eggs there.

If they were able to get One of the best managers ever the sack. the problem isn't Ole,

Its Woodward not backing the manager and I don't mean financially I mean backing him .

Do you honestly think that Jose didn't go to Ed and say we need to get rid of this Root Pogba, he's a virus …. And Ed thought about it for all of 2 seconds and said nah we need the commercial asset to be making money . so deal with it.

Ole will always have the backing of us fans its the players who should feel our wrath, some of them have just signed to get the big bucks and celebrity that comes with playing for our club.

I know I'm 100pct behind Ole he needs 2 seasons at least and we need to accept the mess we are in and jump on board and let him work with our full support until he weeds out the dead wood and replaces it with true players.

22 Apr 2019 08:45:44
Lavers are you taking the mick here.?

"Ole has done nothing in his management career and I feel that you needed someone coming in who would be respected a lot more by the players"

He mightn't have done much as a manager but . as a player he has done it all in one of the best ever teams .

If some of the Sh1t bags in our current squad can't respect that . then who can they respect . Klopp and Poch haven't won much more as managers than ole. and certainly haven't had the playing career he had . Jose probably the 2nd best manager ever in the modern game couldn't get their respect .

The problem is the players and the recruitment policy and for that you have to blame Ed.

22 Apr 2019 09:52:59
That’s a great post DLIB. Red man I enjoy your posts but to be calling for the managers head is a joke quite frankly. Where is the loyalty and support? It’s quite clear the issue here is the players. It has been for the past 7 years. They’ve failed for 4 managers now. Woodward is another cancer to the club. Ole may not have the most glittering cv, but he has united running through his veins. He knows the United way and the values that made our club great. We’ve lost that. We’ve sold our soul to the devil. What I say yesterday was nothing like the United I fell in love with. Instead of pushing your agenda how about support the manager in a time where we all need to pull together. The knives are out from the media and rival fans. They at revelling in our demise. We don’t need our own fans contributing to our demise. You cannot pick and choose which manager you decide to support. You like Jose so you have him a chance. But didn’t give Moyes a hope in hell. Sir Alex said whoever is manager it’s our job to support them. Quite frankly I’m shocked that you are calling for his head.

22 Apr 2019 08:03:00
I have been a regular to this site for at least 10 years now, only in a reading capacity though. This is my first ever post:

1) The owners, since they hindered us with a huge debt all those years ago, we have failed in so many ways. Lack of proper planning on and off the pitch, the real lack of investment in the Sir Alex years, then onto blundering our way around the transfer market signing players for stupid sums of money and giving out ridiculous contracts, we've signed players for all the wrong reasons, which is why we are in the state we are now. Coupled with the under investment years ago, we are now in a pretty poor position overall. I am not saying the Glazers physically bought these players, but they are owners and for me overall it's on them, as they have overseen all of this from above in some form or another. They failed to adapt to the rising challenges of City, Liverpool, Chelsea, PSG and the other large European power houses.

2) Ed Woodward how on earth is this guy still involved so heavily in the football side of things. For me he is the true issue, in our extremely poor transfer dealings in the last 5 seasons. Which has seen the likes of Di Maria, Falcao, Fellaini, Pogba and co come in and waste huge sums of money in transfer fees, agent fees, signing on bonuses, wages and who knows what else. Which sadly hasn't made us any better or achieved anything. We have go from manager to manager, and really haven't moved forward or improved. I think now we are at our lowest point in years. It's so painful watching this great club being torn apart slowly from the top down. Why has our recruitment been so bad for managers and players, why have players been given such stupid contracts, why do we still have Young, Jones and Smalling in our defence after all this time, why haven't we got a DOF yet and so on.

3) The Sánchez deal. For me this is the worst signing in our history. I am just not talking performance. I am looking at the bigger picture here. A player who came in on the biggest contact we have ever given out. A reported 350-400k plus per week. He has underperformed, apparently has a bad attitude as well. But the biggest issue is, we have now opened the flood gates for current players to try and milk us for massive deals, plus future signings will also now want a piece of the action as well. This deal was wrong on so many levels and will now affect us for years to come. The true cost we will never know unfortunately.

4) How have we allowed the players to become so influential in the overall clubs demise and performance

5) How have we just sat back and watched City over take us on the pitch and off it. They are miles ahead of us, with a clear strategy for the future. Even Liverpool appear miles ahead now as well.

6) Was or is Ole the right man to take us forward? Again possibly poor planning or the cheapest option. I honestly hope he isn't a yes man and he really will make us strong once again. I will 100% support him though as we can't keep going round in circles like this.

7) It's really alarming when you look at our current squad and there is only 6-8 who are of the level we need moving forward. That's based on ability, determination, work rate, quality, potential and age

8) I think we have now come to a crossroads, where we blamed Moyes, LVG, Jose but in actual fact overall it's a combination of the players and the senior team at the top, who are mainly to blame. I am not saying the managers are completely innocent but we are really seeing the deep rooted issues with the team and club now. I think Ole is really struggling with it and we have a huge task on our hands.

9) Where do we go from here?

10) I honestly think a season without Europe would do us good. Have a massive clear out, reduce the squad size and wage bill. Bring in 4-5 suitable signings and beef the squad up with youngsters.

11) Let's hope the Glazers go in the near future and new football focused owners come in and create a winning structure for the future of the club.

12) Is Gary Neville talking about Pogba and who else, when he said there is a rotten core in the squad?

13) For me this summer, has to be the biggest test we have had, it's a massive clear out. Which could see a churn of 12-15 players in and out possibly.

14) We are the biggest club in the world commercially and have the biggest fan base. But we have failed to maintain our position in terms being competitive in England and Europe. It's time to start working out how we get back to the top and stop signing players who aren't invested in making us great again.

I know all these points have been discussed over and over again. But it is heart breaking seeing us fall this far. Let's hope Ole does getting the backing in the summer, let's hope he does clear the deadwood out, let's hope a DOF or technical director gets appointed, let's hope Ed does move away from the football side of things and for the future we manage to rid ourselves of the Glazers poisonous rain at our club.

{Ed002's Note - (1) Nonsense. (2) You clearly don't know how the club is run. (3) Hasn't worked out well. (4) I have no idea what this mean. (5) So? The club has no right to be winning everything. (6) The fans got what they craved. (7) It is a great pity you cannot give your support to the players. (8) The club has fans who are far from the brightest who are never happy with their lot. (9) Like other clubs you get on and try and improve, but as you can't support the players it will get worse - what the fans deserve. (10) Ridiculous. (11) You know absolutely nothing about the owners, is this what the idiots on Twitter are telling you? (12) Do you trust every word Gary Neville utters? (13) Because they lost yesterday? (14) You sound as arrogant as the Liverpool fans.

"Ole" doesn't need "backing, Manchester United need a coach who knows what he is doing. I am sure the "deadwood" will be pleased to get away from the fan base, and appoing a Director of Football is not going to make any difference at all. Your whining about the owners is, like most Manchester United fans I see on here, from a position of utter ignorance of the club.}

22 Apr 2019 11:16:01
Jedi ole may have done it as a player but that doesn't mean that he will do something as a manager.

Mourinho lost respect because of his negative tactics and playing players out of position.

The United of old played good attacking football and when they attacked you fancied them scoring. The attacking football which klopp and poch play.

Untied under Mourinho and Ole sit back and hope to catch you on the break.

United have spent hundreds of millions since fergie left but bought the wrong players.

Last summer Mourinho kept going on about a CB, but why didn't he prioritise that position instead of buying Fred?

22 Apr 2019 11:24:32
The Ed is correct, we have no devine right to win anything, yet many still come on here with the belief we are still at the top of the tree. We are not, we were, but the last six years has seen our power drain away. We never hit the European heights even under SAF because we were limited in our outlook. However the club is run, I can’t see an obvious strategy and we seem to lurch from decision to decision without clarity of the path we are looking to go down. Four managers all different. The frustration is that other clubs like Liverpool and City seem to have defined the path. All great dynasties come to an end, we never accepted the end of ours, yet keep holding on to SAF ideals, tried to recreate it with Moyes and are now hoping Ole will get inspiration from him, instead of moving forward. I might get be wrong and no doubt the Ed will correct me, but I seem to recall Liverpool cleared the great Shankly out of the way once he retired and it brought the greatest period in their history.

I stand by the belief we have appointed the wrong manager, throwing money at it in summer isn’t sufficient.

22 Apr 2019 17:15:06
So are you going to back him or not?



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