08 Aug 2022 08:01:54
Genuinely not here to gloat especially as we could only draw with Fulham!
What do you guys think ETH will change for the Brentford game?

1.) 08 Aug 2022
08 Aug 2022 08:13:36
The club he is at ?

On a more serious note, I hope he will drop at least McT, Maguire and Shaw, but I don't expect that.

2.) 08 Aug 2022
08 Aug 2022 08:24:28
Erickson in midfield deeper. Ronaldo will start and probably malacia. We will win that game.

3.) 08 Aug 2022
08 Aug 2022 08:25:10
He could change the whole team bar Martinez and Erickson

Unfortunately we don’t have a big enough squad to do that.

This will be a theme for the season unless players are brought in.

4.) 08 Aug 2022
08 Aug 2022 08:31:34
Really martinez had a howler, recommend you watch the game again. If welbeck could do that to him a lot pl strikers will have field day with him. Hopefully a bad day and learning process. I would play venderbeek and drop mc.

5.) 08 Aug 2022
08 Aug 2022 08:58:32
Had a howler was you watching the same game?

I suggest you look back through the game other than the mid timed slide at the start of the game, even his booking was harsh that was the first time he commited a foul

Suppose blinkers and all that but if he wasn’t covering that tractor that is Maguire and shaw we would have conceded more.

If you think Martinez had a howler you wasn’t watching the same game.

{Ed014's Note - he wasn’t great mate and that’s without mentioning his good fortune re an obvs penalty.

He made more errors than that too. I wouldn’t say he had a howler though just a little better than the other halfwits in your defence.

6.) 08 Aug 2022
08 Aug 2022 08:59:01
He didn't really. He had issues with Maguire constantly moving across and not trusting his teammates/ not having enough awareness. Varane alongside him would show that.

7.) 08 Aug 2022
08 Aug 2022 09:04:39
Martinez was playing his first game in a new league in front of a goalkeeper who isn't great with his feet, alongside 2 full backs who aren't good enough on or off the ball and beside the CB who has the worst positioning and slowest recovery at the club. Add to that Fred who tries but isn't technically able to play quick possession football and McTominay who hides from the ball quite often and when he does get it has poor control leading to overrunning it and dreadful passing ability. Plus we had Bruno being as wasteful as he was 2nd half of last season for large parts of the game.

The myth that Fred and McTominay provide protection is hopefully shattered now and people can see that they aren't capable.

8.) 08 Aug 2022
08 Aug 2022 09:26:09
Martinez wasn't great, but I could see why ETH wants him as he played some lovely passes into midfield, but Ant and Dec could do nothing with them. He wasn't helped by the fact Shaw was rarely in the same postcode as him, nor Maguire who was getting exposed for his lack of pace all over.

9.) 08 Aug 2022
08 Aug 2022 09:44:49
I try not to get on Maguire's back too much as I don't think he's quite worthy of the absolute vitriol he gets. But yesterday just watching the Utd pattern of passing back to him and watching what he did with the ball. it was so sluggish and predictable. If you're going to do that then at least make sure it's Martinez doing the distributing role, as his long-range punting if that's the route we're going to go down is excellent.

10.) 08 Aug 2022
08 Aug 2022 10:12:40
Cmon guys the game changed after their first goal and martinez went to sleep and welbeck made a simple run to be wide open and simple cross for a tap in. This team seems to lose all their shape and whatever plan we had goes to sh…. t when we concede or fall behind. It becomes a bit of helter skelter and panic.

I also though vanderbeeks short time was pretty good and we looked like we had control of the midfield with him and erickson.

11.) 08 Aug 2022
08 Aug 2022 10:26:10
It wasn't an obvious penalty Ed. If you watch its a shoulder barge which we see all the time around the pitch most weekends, no foul given. I believe you even used the term "outmuscled" yourself Ed. He didn't have his arms up in the back like a shove. You've spoken about it on the Liverpool page and again on here. It wasn't a clear and obvious penalty, otherwise it would have been given. Talking about var, Welbeck still looked offside to me no matter how many times I see it and how they can accurately judge the timing of the release of the pass. It still has human decision making based on a little guess work.

{Ed014's Note - I’ve not used the term out muscled mate and as Welbeck had his back to him not sure where you saw the shoulder barge but hey you got lucky or should I say he did.

They did show that Maguire had kept him onside and agree these tiny margins are annoying but it’s not much different to winning a gold medal by a thousandth of a second. There’s always a loser.

12.) 08 Aug 2022
08 Aug 2022 11:59:42
With Martinez's shoulder Ed, you see those challenges a lot when defenders are trying to see the ball out, rarely is anything given. I bet if Martinez was trying to usher the ball out, Welbeck takes the ball in exactly the same way and bangs it in the net you would be saying its a foul?