06 Jul 2022 17:52:16
If the rumours are true that we have submitted a low ball bid for Antony they I wonder about the intelligence of such an action.

We have a good relationship with Ajax and are currently negotiating a deal for Martinez.

I can't imagine after being told that Ajax aren't keen to sell Antony and that any bid would need to be north or a certain figure, to then submit a bid that is well below that is surely just going to annoy Ajax and potentially make it more difficult to negotiate with them?

It's all speculation of course, but this is a rumours site after all.

Could the club be that silly and shortsighted?

1.) 06 Jul 2022
06 Jul 2022 18:03:49
No one has said its a low ball offer shappy infact i believe the offer quoted is about the amount quoted by people earlier in the year.

The fact is ajax have sold a few players probably about to sell another, to us, and aren't in as much need for the money so want to keep the player whos on a long term deal unless they get more then they initially wanted.

A low ball offer would have been knowing that a fair value was €60m and offering €40m circumstances change ajax may get pressure from tbe player and be willing to compromise.

2.) 06 Jul 2022
06 Jul 2022 18:08:12
When Real Madrid had a low ball offer for Pogba, there was a lot of sentiment here that we should accept it as the player doesn't want to be here. If Antony does infact want out of Ajax and is keen on joining United, probably a similar situation then.

3.) 06 Jul 2022
06 Jul 2022 19:09:50
Differences. Antony still has 3 years on his contract and quite possibly, if he's as good as some people think, his value will hold or increase. Ajax have already won by signing him. And for them to be successful they will need to retain some of their key players, so why would they accept an offer way below their valuation? Pogba, on the other hand, had shown quite clearly that he was nowhere near the player he was trumped up to be, was never going to deliver at United, and that he would be valueless to us if he wasn't sold before the contract extension year kicked in. United should have cashed in when they could. Woodward made one of his many bad gambles. Most likely his pride and arrogance would not allow him to admit that a player he'd bought for £90m was now worth only £25-40. That fee plus the salary savings would have allowed us to pay what Ajax want for the player.

4.) 06 Jul 2022
06 Jul 2022 19:12:37
I thought actually submitting a bid was the last thing a club would do.

I'd imagine they are negotiating, without an actual bid going in.

5.) 06 Jul 2022
06 Jul 2022 19:25:27
About £50m doesn't seem too low-ball for a player practically no-one (be honest) had heard of halfway through last season.

6.) 06 Jul 2022
06 Jul 2022 20:26:33
Low ball is relative I suppose. I actually think the rumoured bid is about right for the player. Very talented, young and exciting, but has 2 years experience in Europe not in what is considered one of the top five leagues in Europe.

I'd personally put his value somewhere between 40-50m.

By low ball what I'm getting at is submitting a bid 20-30m below what the club supposedly told us they want for the player.

It's like putting your house up for sale for 500k, then someone you know and have a good relationship with comes round and offers you 300k.

You'd find it insulting and probably frustrating.

7.) 06 Jul 2022
06 Jul 2022 20:39:44
Ed002 confirmed a low bid has been made. Amateur hour again. No lessons learned from the last 9 years. Same failure to understand that football transfers are about cultivating good relationships with other clubs, and not attempting to use perceived bigger club status to get players on the cheap.

8.) 06 Jul 2022
06 Jul 2022 20:52:17
I'm surprised anyone is shocked on how utd go about things. Worse ran club in football. Laughing stock.
Looking forward to seeing what ten hag can do. Hopefully the club pull their fingers out and start delivering for him.

9.) 06 Jul 2022
06 Jul 2022 20:57:45
A low bid is different to a low ball offer low ball is derogatory embarrasing stupid offer you would probably want to make a more sensible offer to even start a negotiation

a low bid values differ compromise can be found i believe we made an offer based on the begining of the summer ajax are supposedly in a better place have lost other players probably going to lose martinez to us or arsenal the player has a long term deal, the fee they want is more like i said if the player pushes to leave we may get a better deal or someone else may be offered the player and pony up the dosh and force our hand.

10.) 06 Jul 2022
06 Jul 2022 21:27:40
You’re splitting hairs with semantics Dbrooks.

This is what Ed002 said: {Ed002's Note - Not anything like an acceptable bid. If Ajax are forced to sell they will speak with others who might be interested. }

Does this sound like United have made a respectful approach for the player?

It sounds like United have made a bid that they know is well below what Ajax would accept. In other words, instead of cultivating a good relationship with Ajax by negotiating a fee, they put in a low bid they know will be rejected.

For what? The only real explanation is to stir up trouble and push the player to agitate for a move. But this is likely to have the adverse effect. As ed002 suggests, rather than encouraging Ajax to work out a compromise with United, it will convince them to talk to other clubs IF they are forced to sell.

Complete amateurs.

11.) 06 Jul 2022
06 Jul 2022 21:57:43
So anthony is worth more than raphina?
Anthony who has lessons experience less wanted and injured.

12.) 06 Jul 2022
06 Jul 2022 22:16:22
Dear Ajax.

Here is £100m plus Amad or Pellistri on loan for a season, for both Martinez and Antony.

Yours,

Manchester United.

Simple, no?!?

13.) 06 Jul 2022
06 Jul 2022 22:30:07
To me - United reserves the right to bid the amount they believe is the right amount. Ajax reserves the right to say no. If no one else bids, it's the best offer Ajax have and that is the assumed value of the player. Ajax can ofcourse value him higher and just not sell him.

If someone else bids higher, United then have to decide whether it's worth paying more - assuming t your player still prefers United over the other team. It's no guarantee of course and it's likely not going to be the case.

I personally would rather have them pay whatever is needed to get the deal soon as a fan - better than glazers pocketing dividends but I also understand how stupid it is for me to have a point of view on the amount with so many other variables at play.

14.) 06 Jul 2022
06 Jul 2022 23:00:57
Why would Ajax want Amad and Pellistri?

15.) 06 Jul 2022
06 Jul 2022 23:07:33
If we have bid £51m its likely we think we could get Antony for £60m. Obviously Ajax will want as much money for him as possible, IF they decide to sell. A bit like us with Ronaldo lol ;)

(fear not I know he's gone)

Perhaps Ajax want £70m but United already know Antony has expressed his desire to work with Ten Hag again. I don't think £51m is as low ball an offer as is being suggested.

It was mentioned Ajax contacted United when they had received a bid for Martinez. I'm sure they've got good enough relations with plenty of other clubs to pick up the phone and look to see what other interest there is. I'd expect them too - its their job to get best value for Ajax.

16.) 07 Jul 2022
06 Jul 2022 23:30:26
I think £51M is a fair opening bid. Especially when a player wants to come, if rumours he wants to work with ETH again are true. I think we are handling business a lot better at the moment. Yes it’s slow but we are not just trying to rebuild the team, but rebuild how we do business etc. Need to get away from being mugged off by clubs and that will take time and a few lower bids that become successful to change that over the next couple windows.

17.) 07 Jul 2022
07 Jul 2022 06:53:37
Magicsy, it really doesn't matter what other players are sold for. A player is "worth" what a club is prepared to sell them for and that's that.

Different clubs in different financial positions, in different contexts. Just not comparable.

18.) 07 Jul 2022
07 Jul 2022 07:56:03
50M sounds about right. No need to make it seem like we are offering them a swap deal for Maguire which would have been derogatory. Ajax have the right to say no. Its not as if we are forcing them to sell now is it? We have spent years throwing money at anything that moves. Perhaps it is time we started to bid for players at what we think they are worth. If the selling club doesn't fancy the bid we can always move on to other targets.