01 Mar 2021 08:41:26
People posted a lot of negative stuff last season about ole .
When bruno arrived in January we played well good attacking footy our front 3 on fire .
But the argument was day after day that counted for nothing the ONLY way to judge was league position and the target is top 4 .

Of course at the time we weren't in the top 4, once we finished top 4 the same people just moved the goalpost.
The line in the sand had been drawn they wanted ole out regardless .
People talked about us getting relegated last season?
This season after a difficult start to the season we have been top 2 or 3 for most of the season .
Clear continued improvement, this time last season we sat 6th on 38 points and the same people who argued this is what we needed to do still aren't happy . Because they have drawn the line in the sand and don't like to be wrong .

Some have been spoilt with fergy they think we have a right to win, they mistake fergy for Manchester United.
We are currently building a team, the squad is stronger and going in the right direction, it is younger with a lot of talented young players coming through.
And this is what most people want, or at least say they do because this takes time and they want success yesterday.
Personally building for the future imo is the right way to go, its far better than what the club tried to do under moyes, lvg or jose .
And as such we will continue to improve .

We are continuing to improve, we will imo improve on last season. When we finish in the top 4 it will be the first since fergy left, is it 9 year that we have finished top 4 to seasons in a row .
The truth is we haven't been a top 4 team since fergy left in the same way I don't consider arsenal a top 6 team .
That's the reality of where we are, is top 4 enough for united? NO but it is the first step in getting back to the top and it takes time .

The same band of people find a negative, its boring football . We are top scores in the epl league, there are only I think 4 teams in England, Spain, Germany and Italy that have scored more .

We play 2 DCM? We do if matic and Fred play but that's normally down to Injury and both play and sit in a similar position. We don't if pogba plays in there and we don't if mctom plays there . Just because his starting position is deep doesn't mean he is playing DCM .
The lad imo is turning in to a good box to player .
What we do play is 4,2,3,1 .

People argue Ddg isn't up to it
Shaw should be sold
AWB isn't good enough attacking
Maguire and lindelof aren't good enough
Pogba should be sold and is useless
Martial should be sold and usless
Fred is crap
James not good enough
Mctom not good enough .
Ole inept
And then say second in the league isn't good enough we should be top?

We are imo clearly a team improving
Clearly building a better squad
Clearly going in the right direction.
Still a couple of players short in key positions, and clearly a team short in experience and the consistency that comes with that experience.

Many will disagree, but they disagreed we would be top 4 last season.
That we would improve this season.
That we are moving In the right direction .
And will continue to disagree until ole gets the sack.

1.) 01 Mar 2021
01 Mar 2021 08:58:35
If you are going to compare seasons Jred, then by my reckoning we need 32 out of 36 available points to better the season we finished second. I seem to recall Ole saying 2nd wasn’t good enough.

Can you not see we have become fearful of losing and set up that way?

2.) 01 Mar 2021
01 Mar 2021 09:23:40
Redman
It's about improving as a team season on season.
This is a different team to the one that finished second 4 YEARS ago.
You look to improve season on season.
We are doing that and imo will continue to .
You though ole would be sacked before xmass.

3.) 01 Mar 2021
01 Mar 2021 09:25:21
Jred, I think the issue is that many of the fans are from the "football manager" generation. They got Kentish Town the the UCL in 7 season's so if they can do that then why can the Manchester United manager win everything.

We are all a little guilty of it, we have the players we'd like to see signed, the manager we'd like to see managing the club, the style of play we'd like to see. While if we don't get all of that then we aren't happy as our club isn't being run the way we want.

The reality is we don't get a say, the closest thing we get to a say is voting with our feet. If you're not happy then don't go to games, don't watch on TV, don't buy the merchandise, don't read the articles online or in newspapers. Of course we don't, we feel emotionally attached and don't feel like we can walk away. It's like we are stuck in that loveless marriage that was great once but has broken down, but we can't leave for the kids. So we stay and we are miserable.

The reality is that many of the people who are unhappy with Ole was unhappy with Moyes, and LvG and Jose. They will also be unhappy with the next manager as it won't be the guy they want. If by some chance it is then they will still eventually be unhappy because he won't be able to succeed as the club didn't "back him".

I've come to the conclusion that some people are just miserable s. o. b who only like to cry and whinge on the internet 😂.

4.) 01 Mar 2021
01 Mar 2021 09:27:29
But we currently sit 2nd in the league.
Lost 1 of our last 12 games not lost an away game for 13 month .
Nothing wrong with not wanting to lose.

5.) 01 Mar 2021
01 Mar 2021 09:48:08
Shappy now that's a post I agree with.

6.) 01 Mar 2021
01 Mar 2021 09:50:50
There is jred if it comes at the expense of winning. That's my opinion. Some are happy threading water. I'm not. Its a bore fest imo. I've not moved any goal post and we are well short of my expectations.

7.) 01 Mar 2021
01 Mar 2021 10:04:26
Ken
Maybe you have unrealistic expectations?
I don't think we are treading water but each to their own.

8.) 01 Mar 2021
01 Mar 2021 10:13:45
Now if we criticise Ole we are miserable sob, right. More insults, innuendos.

No one expects to win everything, unless you are City this or Liverpool last season, but I do expect the manager to have the right outlook, try to win, not try not to lose.

9.) 01 Mar 2021
01 Mar 2021 11:03:39
jred, I don't see much progress to be honest.
Maybe 5% if we win something.

Ole is not giving proper chances to Tuanzebe and VDB.

We were top in CL group and blew it away. His team setup especially against Leipzig was just defensive and the team looked clueless.

Even in the league, our play is not exciting.
We rely on Bruno too much instead of building progressive, attacking football as a whole team.

Overall, if we win the Europa or atleast the FA cup, we can say that the team has made progress.
However, the playing style still looks disjointed with lot of scope to improve.

10.) 01 Mar 2021
01 Mar 2021 11:11:40
Not a great deal of balance to the whole ole debate, there's people who will never take to him and people who think he's doing okay and not much in the middle.
I think we sit second but I don't think we have the second best team player wise so that suggests ole is doing okay, however there are circumstances that have helped him do this with drop offs in other teams, that's not oles fault though.
I think sometimes we are a little dull and people may wish for a bit more attacking intent, if you find us dull now though then you couldn't have enjoyed it under jose it was duller.
Draws away to rivals are okay aslong as you take points at home against them if you win neither youl slip behind .
The team to me looks very similar to the team a year or two ago when it was apparent then that city have a far superior side and they still do .
We have many of the same issues as last year or the year before my bugbear being every season the long list of players we try on the right side of attack which is then repeated the following season .
We are top scorers though, so my view is we have improved under ole but its a slow burner and needs a bit of a jolt, the football we play away from home once we fall behind is often good good but can make me think why wait till we have fallen behind.

{Ed077's Note - if you had asked me on October 6th 2020 after the end of the transfer window, I would have said MUFC have a top 3 squad this season. Man City and LFC being the other 2. Soon after both VVD and Joe Gomez got injured for the season. That would have meant that MUFC had the 2nd best squad in the league IMO.

If you think the team isn't much better after the addition of Bruno, Cavani, DvdB, Telles than I have nothing more to say to you.}

11.) 01 Mar 2021
01 Mar 2021 11:26:59
Unrealistic jred? What's unrealistic about winning a cup and getting into last 16 of cl for Manchester United?
Or to be with 10 points of the winners.
Do you expect United to win nothing and be non competitive in a league campaign jred.
If you expect to be also rans and aim to be also rans then in due you are happy and your expectations have been fulfilled. i'd suggest your expectations are too low.
You had different expectations for all our other managers.
A very expensively assembled squad. The best paid in the country and you have no expectations of competing to win.
Each to their own i suppose.

12.) 01 Mar 2021
01 Mar 2021 11:36:23
Well short of your expectations? Are we really?

13.) 01 Mar 2021
01 Mar 2021 11:37:26
Ken I'm sure your expectation was that ole would get sack in October.

14.) 01 Mar 2021
01 Mar 2021 12:45:14
The manager has the result in the league he wants. There is a quarter of the season remaining.

Ole is effectively shielding the ball at the corner flag, trying to hang on to a 1-0, with 25 minutes left.

Embarrassing for a Manchester United manager.

15.) 01 Mar 2021
01 Mar 2021 13:04:22
That was my wish jred not my expectation.
Jred do you not expect united to compete to win?

{Ed077's Note - You guys have become what Wenger's Arsenal were in the last decade or so of his tenure there. Top 4 is all you guys want. No real ambition.
And before anybody brings up the "lack" of "quality" in the squad, might I remind Leicester won the league with a squad that was hardly top 6. If you have the right manager, and right team ethos and mentality you can become much greater than what the team looks on paper.}

16.) 01 Mar 2021
01 Mar 2021 13:10:26
Red Man, my comment was directed at the people who clearly never have anything positive to say the ones who either moan when we win or disappear off the site entirely until there is something else to moan about.

If you feel that is you then that's you're opinion. It wasn't directed at anyone in particular. Also no innuendo was said on my part. Also I get you're from an older generation, but the emoji was meant to show what I said was with no hard feelings and just as banter.

As for the right intent. Did Sir Alex never set up not to lose? Because I seem to remember games where that certainly seemed the case. I say seemed as its actually impossible to know what the intent was without explicitly being told by the manager themselves, so its all just our interpretation or perspective of a situation.

So far this season we have more points than we did at this stage last season.

We have scored more goals than we had at this stage last season.

We have lost less games than we have at this stage last season.

We are the top scorers in the league.

Only two teams have won more games than us.

Only one team has lost less games than us.

We are higher in the league at this point than we were last season.

The gap in points between us and the top team in the league is lower than it was at this stage last season.

By just about every normalised metric to measure a teams performance we are doing better this season than last (although full judgement of that should come at the end of the season and not every time the fans are disappointed by a result) .

So it stands to clear and obvious reason that the club have improved on their performance from last season. Which is apparently all that everyone wanted. Yet now we have a full blown meltdown every time we draw away to a top side. Its just hyperbole and disappointed fans blowing off smoke online.

17.) 01 Mar 2021
01 Mar 2021 16:07:07
Ed077 when you say 'you guys'
What do you mean by that?

{Ed077's Note - A huge section of United supporters. Not you in particular ken. I've seen many United supporters celebrating top 4 finishes, treating it as an achievement/success of sorts. I've even seen some say they would happily take 4th right now.}

18.) 01 Mar 2021
01 Mar 2021 16:49:29
But you are a United fan. Or you said you were on liverpool page. That's why I was asking. and for sure you are right in not one of those happy with top 4.
Some of the ones that are now happy with top 4 were slating previous managers but changed their tune now for ole and they accuse others of moving goal posts and standards. comedy gold. But each to their own.

19.) 02 Mar 2021
02 Mar 2021 22:26:33
I never said a word about being getter or or not with additions, you you added that on yourself, I said we were worse than city two year ago and still are .
I said the team looks similar to 2 years ago as in ten of the eleven starters versus Chelsea could have played at the start of last season .
I said we are not the second best team yet we are second and said through to circumstances at other clubs you then repeated the same thing.