06 Oct 2020 22:52:58
Has anyone seen the video of the red card incident? Rashford is arguing with the ref about Lamela only getting a yellow and saying how is it a yellow, it’s the same offence.

Maguire:
It’s not violent conduct they’ve checked.
Rashford:
He’s elbowed him
Maguire:
They’ve checked and said it’s not
Rashford:
How’s it not!? How!?

What do you guys make of that? Personally I would have liked to have some more of a reaction from the team as a whole. No-one seemed to be that bothered apart from Pogba and Rashford (I think) .

Maguire as captain should 100% question the decision and try and pressure the ref to at least check the monitor. You see it all the time. If a team reacts angrily then refs are more likely to second guess their decision.

Should he as captain calm things down or back his team mate Rashford?

Think of what our old captains would do.

1.) 06 Oct 2020
06 Oct 2020 23:03:01
Roy Keane would have kicked him.

2.) 06 Oct 2020
06 Oct 2020 23:05:52
I thought for all violent conduct refs had to check the monitor anyway with the new application of Var ( I could be well off with that btw ) . At the end of the day maguire is getting a lot of stick at the moment and rightly so for his performances. I’ve always thought that he wasn’t much of a leader and that it’s almost like we are trying to make him into one with the captaincy.

3.) 06 Oct 2020
06 Oct 2020 23:08:02
Hes a bellend.

4.) 07 Oct 2020
06 Oct 2020 23:17:29
More upsetting was what happened over the summer. Maguire isn't a good enough player for the club to let him off without any punishment he's not Ronaldo he's not beckham He's not Cantona he's not Ferdinand or rooney. he not even Jaap Stam and look what happened to him.

5.) 07 Oct 2020
07 Oct 2020 00:36:01
The ref will only check the monitor if told to do so in his ear by the VAR, they checked and somehow decided it was the correct decision so he wasn’t told to check. This is where VAR falls down as every man and his dog knows that it was the wrong decision but one guy in a room thinks it is correct so it stays.

Maguire going screaming in the refs face would have only got him in trouble and would have made absolutely zero difference to what the VAR was doing, unfortunately you respect the decision and move on, even if it is a joke if a decision.

6.) 07 Oct 2020
07 Oct 2020 06:32:56
Someone had to regain the focus of the team to deal with the corner. In the famous Keane incident where they chased the referee, it didn’t make any difference and the penalty still stood. If VAR had been checked and the ref confirmed it, no amount of screaming at the ref in frustration would make any difference, the decision was the decision, get on with dealing and organising the situation, in this case dealing with a corner. There are a few things to criticise Maguire (and everyone) for but regaining focus after a VAR decision which they won’t change isn’t one of them.

7.) 07 Oct 2020
07 Oct 2020 06:42:53
I'm not in agreement with the idea he should pressure the ref. Footballers I'm afraid, on the whole, have no integrity. Most of them lie and cheat to gain any advantage. Going down too easily, or just plain diving, feigning injury etc. They are embarrassing at times.
We blame the refs in most instances, which is unfair.
We should be blaming the players for blatantly cheating.
Having said that, referee's need to be better, to interpret things better. In the martial incident, he should absolutely have checked, it asked VAR to gave a look. He was wrong.
But Lamela engineered the situation, and Martial was just plain stupid to be sucked in by it.
But encouraging players to pressure refs us not the answer. If anything it should be the opposite.
I know football and rugby are different, but I'd prefer to see players have more respect for refs, and a zero tolerance approach.
Sadly, in my opinion, football as a while us losing its integrity. The money involved put pressure on everyone involved to find ways and means to gain every tiny advantage, including blatant cheating at times.
And it can no longer be blamed on foreign players either.
They're literally all at it.

8.) 07 Oct 2020
07 Oct 2020 08:06:09
The ref should have looked at the pitch side monitor.
The game died with the red card incident.

It was either 2 yellow or 2 red.
Refs should often use the pitch side monitor if major game changing decisions are made.

9.) 07 Oct 2020
07 Oct 2020 08:18:57
You talk about integrity, where was this integrity when players basically tried to end careers and deliberately tried to hack players on the pitch, there wasn't this much money in the game always but that continued until authorities put a stop to it with appropriate punishment for such behavior. Proper punishment for diving and consistent application of those punishments will put a stop to such behavior.

This whole oh cheating is a symptom of non european players or of a young generation or its because of the money today is bs, its basically old people speak for this didn't happen in my time, completely ignoring things that did. Most players want to win, how rarely matters. Earlier they kicked and stomped their way to those, today they roll and whine their way to it.

10.) 07 Oct 2020
07 Oct 2020 09:20:15
I still think he should have talked to the ref. It may not be the right reaction but where was our team spirit? More than half the team were simply not bothered. It was worrying that they didn’t react. Look at most teams when a red card is given. Just shows a bit of fight which I want to see in a United team and it felt like they had given up. I really hope they haven’t downed tools.

11.) 07 Oct 2020
07 Oct 2020 09:58:02
Its swings and roundabouts with VAR one week we get a penalty after the final whistle and then the next week they don't pick up a double sending off. We really don't have any leadership at all at the minute 😷😷.

12.) 07 Oct 2020
07 Oct 2020 11:34:33
Refs should do everything they can to avoid sending off a player. It should be the absolute last resort when they have no other option because as trueRedDevil says, the game died with the red card.

If the ref checked it on the pitchside monitor then he would have seen that Lamela's elbow was just as bad as Martial's slap, if not worse. If he looked at that he would have seen that he should either send them both off or neither.

For a decision so important, the ref should be checking for himself.

My view is that nobody was really hurt and both players should have got a yellow. Football is too soft.

13.) 07 Oct 2020
07 Oct 2020 13:00:43
Mancman,

Yes I remember getting an elbow on the goal line when defending a corner except it took a couple of minutes to come round. It was too physical back then, you got hurt.

The Lamela Martial was handbags both should have got the same, a yellow or in Lamelas case laughed at for acting, but Martial should have gone down with the elbow in the modern day theatrical way. Players naive the ref naive, VAR ref naive.

14.) 07 Oct 2020
07 Oct 2020 14:26:07
Absolutely agree betty.