02 Oct 2020 10:57:55
whatever your personal view is on ole, he deserves better from the club. His presser this morning was hard to watch and as usual his words have been dissected and misquoted to suit whatever agenda the journo is trying to push. We never hear fom the board/ owners (only bragging during investor calls) but ole is put front and centre to answer for their incompetence, and thus take the furore from the fans.

I am not oles biggest fan but i want everyone to remember there are bigger issues that need addressing and until they are this cycle will continue.


1.) 02 Oct 2020
02 Oct 2020 11:28:26
A common theme of every manager is that they never got the players they wanted. Van Gaal had a huge wish list, mourinho had players he wanted. Who knows what they could have done if they came? If Ole doesn’t get his main targets then it will be the same again. We can point to the huge money spent, but in reality it’s just money wasted on players who weren’t good enough. I didn’t like mourinho, but when he gets his way he wins. Van gaal had one hell of a shortlist and we couldn’t get them done. Maybe he would have played better with the players he wanted.

It’s amateur season every transfer window. When we fall back this season because the playing squad has hardly been improved another manager will bite the dust and we will begin the cycle again. It’s rammed down our throats that this is the biggest football club in the world, yet here we are approaching the deadline in absolute chaos, which will see more panic buys if we even get anyone.

I’d love to see someone like Sancho here, but as we have been told for months now by Ed- we know what we need to do, so if we have any ambition to actually be the biggest club in the world why don’t we do it?


2.) 02 Oct 2020
02 Oct 2020 11:50:43
Tim_99 I don't think anyone is a big fan of Ole as a manager to be honest. It's more to do with the sentiments that the majority has of him as an ex-player. I don't think that is wrong.

However it is the decision makers who appointed him in the first place and that wasn't Ole's fault. I don't think anyone who loves the club would turn down the chance to manage the club and Ole obliged and took great pride in doing so. Nothing to fault Ole for that.

He isn't eligible for sure but neither are the ones above him making one mistake after the another and still being in their jobs for far too long.


3.) 02 Oct 2020
02 Oct 2020 12:09:05
Ole got the job because a) he a fan favourite that would appease the United fans b) He understands the United way and will help promote youngsters c) he will fall in line with the owners and Ed and Co

I think Ole is doing the best he can with limited resources. It started with Fergie but Ferguson is the greatest manager of all time and had a great director in Mr Gill helping him on the transfer side.

Manchester City and Liverpool have caught up and overtaken us.

My issue isn't with just the transfer. The club itself. Old Trafford is becoming a dated stadium and needs investment. A new changing room isn't sufficient enough. They are milking the club dry. Anfield and City ground have had their capacity increased.

Their a lack of effort and leaders. The club has become complacent. I see a club that have owners and people running it more interested in making money than competing for trophies.


4.) 02 Oct 2020
02 Oct 2020 12:13:55
Try telling a few of our regulars this, they will blame it all on ole and when the next manager comes in no matter there ability they will pretend the new manager is the problem aswell when it all goes wrong again.


5.) 02 Oct 2020
02 Oct 2020 12:56:58
I’m just reserving my judgement until the window closes. Ole must be backed and we all know that. We know where to point fingers if he is not.


6.) 02 Oct 2020
02 Oct 2020 13:08:17
Whilst I agree that managers seem to have been let down when it’s come to securing their top targets, I also think that we need to look at the players they were asking for and decide whether they were at all realistic requests.

IIRC, Van Gaal talked about how he’d asked the club to sign Neymar which I don’t think was ever a realistic option. We’ve seen plenty of big names come to the club, and I find it hard to believe that the likes of Pogba, Di Maria and Sanchez weren’t players that the managers had asked for.

There are plenty of examples of managers achieving as much as any of our recent managers have with a fraction of the amount being spent on acquisitions. It seems to me that if you hand somebody a list of unobtainable players, you’ve only got yourself to blame when they don’t end up being signed. Perhaps had the names on their list been more realistic, they might not have had such issues.

I’ve no doubt that those making the final decision probably could’ve gotten a few of those deals over the line, but without knowing the intricacies involved I don’t see how any of us can judge them too harshly.

{Ed025's Note - i think united putting all their eggs in one basket with sancho was a big mistake redseven, to be honest with you im not his biggest fan and i dont think forwards are uniteds biggest problem, for me you need to ditch the likes of shaw and pogba to start with and get a centre back partnership that works, but thats just my view as an outsider mate..


7.) 02 Oct 2020
02 Oct 2020 13:41:14
Red seven he wanted mane, mahrez and Kante all achievable. If we acted like the biggest club in the world that we claim to be we should be able to compete for the biggest names. Van gaal was ambitious and didn’t get what he wanted or needed.


8.) 02 Oct 2020
02 Oct 2020 13:51:04
ED025,

I agree with you. Lindelof and Maguire aren't good enough. Maguires move to Utd has meant his mistakes he made at Leicester that had more or less gone unnoticed, have now become more apparent. His lack of positional awareness is truly shocking, along with his inability to track back and support Lindelof. Both are out of their depth. Another thoughtless transfer that has been done by the amateurs.


9.) 02 Oct 2020
02 Oct 2020 14:31:26
Ed0025 - I agree entirely that our approach to signing Sancho has been somewhat bizarre, but depending on the circumstances it could make sense.

If Ole told Woodward that he wanted Sancho at all cost as well as a new CM, a LB and potentially a CB, it’s possible that the available budget isn’t large enough to stretch if we pay full price for Sancho.

I’m not saying trying to make excuses for the owners or anything as quite frankly, I detest them, but without knowing the ins and outs of our transfer dealings I’m not inclined to throw the book at them just yet. If we end the window with no additional signings then my stance may change.

Caolan. To be quite honest, I think LVG is full of it. I find it very hard to believe that we couldn’t beat the likes of Leicester and Southampton to signings and find it very convenient that LVG just happened to have earmarked these great players long before they were on any of the big clubs’ radars.

To me it’s the equivalent of me saying that I’d emailed the club five years ago and told them to sign Sancho, Haaland and Fati. I’m sure that there were players that he wanted that the club weren’t able to deliver, but I’m fairly certain they will have been top players that were difficult to sign rather than the players LVG mentioned.


10.) 02 Oct 2020
02 Oct 2020 15:03:03
Big V. Tell me 1 person that is blaming ole alone?


11.) 02 Oct 2020
02 Oct 2020 15:06:06
We did try and sign mane from Southampton though. Look at Moyes, chased bale and Fabregas he got neither. That was right after woodwoods now infamous line “we can do things in the transfer market other sides can’t”. Lvg seems like he missed out on a lot of players. Mourinho didn’t get what he wanted and now Ole is in the same boat. I understand the club can’t sign anyone, but when it comes to converting and bringing managers in their preferred players, that conversion rate will be pretty low.


12.) 02 Oct 2020
02 Oct 2020 15:33:24
Iirc we were linked with Mane during Jose’s tenure but instead opted for Mkhitaryan instead, which at the time seemed like a decent signing. It’s unclear who had the final call on this one, but assuming both were equally viable options I’d be very surprised if the manager wasn’t part of the discussions.

We were linked with a lot of players while Moyes was at the helm and as far as I’m aware it was Kroos who was Moyes’ first choice. By all accounts, a deal for Kroos had been agreed before Moyes got the chop.

Bale is another of those signings where I have to question how realistic it actually was. He went to Real Madrid (arguably the biggest club in the world) for a then world record fee. From the outside looking in, it seemed like Real was always his preference and I suspect Spurs were keen to ship him abroad rather than sell to a rival as well.

Where we can agree is that some of the nonsense spouted publicly by EW during his tenure has made it tougher for us to sign players. It’s hard to haggle when he’s repeatedly telling everybody how much money we have to spend. That said, it’s not like the club’s wealth was a secret or anything and clubs were upping their asking prices when dealing with us long before EW was at the helm.

Personally I’d prefer it if somebody better acquainted with the position was dealing with our transfers, but if EW is to continue I think Ole needs to be providing several options for each position and making it clear which are priorities. This may already be how we’re operating and if that’s the case, I go back to questioning whether Ole has asked EW to get him Sancho at all costs.

If that’s the case, I can understand EW trying to save a few bob in order to be able to strengthen other areas as well - and providing we end up signing Sancho (even if he’s the only other signing we make) - I’ll find it difficult to be too critical of EW even though the saga has been an incredibly frustrating one.