1.) 21 Aug 2019
21 Aug 2019 00:38:53
Fantastic post mate.


2.) 21 Aug 2019
21 Aug 2019 01:28:44
Agree to most of it DLIB but it wouldn't be hyper critical to say Ole left it late for the subs. Rather it would be common sense. Yet again Ole has shown his lack of in game management. It was clear that Lingard was missing his pillow and we could have done without him. Greenwood hardly touched the ball in the 3 minutes he got.


3.) 21 Aug 2019
21 Aug 2019 01:56:48
Good post👌.


4.) 21 Aug 2019
21 Aug 2019 06:56:38
I wonder how the players felt after the game when the manager allegedly laid into Pogba and Rashford for the penalty indecision. That indecision was the managers, the players should not be going on the pitch with not knowing who does what. OGS is not SAF despite trying to be a disciple. It is too early to make sweeping statements about evolution, not with such inexperience at the top in both boardroom and managers chair.


5.) 21 Aug 2019
21 Aug 2019 07:27:14
Red Man come on didn't you see the evolution. Instead of Young, Smalling and Jones it was AWB, Lindelof and Maguire playing sideways passes with each other till Wolves got bored and decided to close them down and then Pogba and McT decided to get involved in the sideways passing. Diving James is still young but i will advice him to stay away from Young else he will just learn diving. It is evolution when despite allegedly dominating the game, we had only 2 shots on target with one of them being a saved penalty. Its evolution when the team runs out of steam early in the second half when we were told after the gruelling pre season that the fitness level had increased. One of the genius on here is saying that its only 2 games in and players are being judged. Its a point to note for that genius that its only the second game and players looked finished come 60 minutes.


6.) 21 Aug 2019
21 Aug 2019 08:17:03
I think we need a bigger group of games to look at before we can talk about evolution. When a team is naive a switches off like Chelsea, we will be able to exploit them. When a well drilled team sits compact and defends with resolutely, I think we'll struggle.

Without the ball we undoubtedly work harder and that is a joy to see. But with the ball, we're still very slow moving it forward.

If we look at Oles first 10 games when we done very well, he played the same starting line up in all of them. I don't think he's found his best 11 yet. We have some winnable games coming up. Let's see how we're doing after game 10 and we'll see if it's evolution or devolution?


7.) 21 Aug 2019
21 Aug 2019 08:30:51
Great post mate, agree with it all, especially about bringing Greenwood on for James earlier, who was just getting knocked over endlessly, giving the ball away or running down blind alleys - impact sub while he develops is the perfect answer.


8.) 21 Aug 2019
21 Aug 2019 08:56:41
"Allegedly" laid into Pogba and Rashford. Whole post criticising Ole, based on something you've no idea happened or not. Come on 😁.


9.) 21 Aug 2019
21 Aug 2019 09:00:14
Thought James played well tbh, his movement caused them no end of havoc, first alleged dive was actually a foul and the second he was clipped slightly as we are always told when players like salah go over with fresh air tackling him you go at speed minimal contact will send you over. James was at risk of a second yellow but remember he is still a kid, he needs games to learn. Rather James than Lingard, his work rate alone merits a start and hopefully runs off on those around him.


10.) 21 Aug 2019
21 Aug 2019 09:02:42
And if people really can't see the difference between the sterile, soul-destroying fare on offer over the last few seasons, and the almost complete control over a hard to beat Wolves team away from home, then I'd suggest their antipathy towards our manager has completely distorted their reasoning. And their eyesight.


11.) 21 Aug 2019
21 Aug 2019 09:15:42
Exactly Nou.
Red Man - Critizing Ole over something which may not have happened is utterly embarrassing.


12.) 21 Aug 2019
21 Aug 2019 09:16:45
United addict.
The bloke (or it could be a woman i think that is entirely possible) you refer to is no genius.


13.) 21 Aug 2019
21 Aug 2019 09:20:57
These has been an improvement in style and intent.
I don't think that can be disputed.
But 1 shots on target 1 being a pen is pitiful.
My guess is that every other team that plays there this season will have more than 2 attempts on target. Yet people claim we dominated.
The intent is there but its nothing more than intent.


14.) 21 Aug 2019
21 Aug 2019 09:40:24
Let's face it, if McTominay, James, Lingard and Perreira were City players they would currently be on loan at Brentford, not first choice starters . The defence has been improved a lot with the addition of Maguire and AWB . There is some good signs in the pace and interplay of Martial and Rashford, however our midfield needs serious surgery .


15.) 21 Aug 2019
21 Aug 2019 10:04:47
And running out of steam? What impressed me was the fact that after the goal, we didn't capitulate the way I feared, and the way we've done previously. Apart from 5 or 10 minutes after the goal, when the crowd were vocal and their backs were up, we retook control and finished the stronger of the two teams. Credit to the team spirit that's been generated, especially in such a youthful side. Good mentality forming.


16.) 21 Aug 2019
21 Aug 2019 09:44:42
United addict, do you understand football tactics?

If a team is playing a low block, particularly with a back five there is no space for vertical passes.

Ergo horizontal passes are your only option. The idea is you try and move the ball side ways to probe for gaps or find a half space to carry the ball forward into.

For a team that likes to attack in a counter attacking style this is better done with your defenders rather than you midfielders as you are attempting to lure the opposition out to create space in behind.


17.) 21 Aug 2019
21 Aug 2019 09:47:03
Complete control? We had 2 shots man, how is that complete control. Man City vs West Ham was control. Man City vs tottenham was control!


18.) 21 Aug 2019
21 Aug 2019 10:12:23
A lot of doom and gloom over the summer, people are desperately looking to finds things to prove there points.
It's looking a bit silly.


19.) 21 Aug 2019
21 Aug 2019 10:30:29
Shappy that is a load of bollocks.
No room for verticle passes absolute nonsense.
See how many vehicle passes pool city or spurs play against those tactics.
We don't have players capable simple as that.


20.) 21 Aug 2019
21 Aug 2019 10:58:29
Ken, is that the same City team that got a 1-1 result against Wolves the last time they visited Molineaux?

Also they got their goal not from a forward pass, but a run started by Sterling who carried the ball forward as there was not vertical passes available.


21.) 21 Aug 2019
21 Aug 2019 11:01:53
FZZ, it was complete control. Maybe not in our goal threat, but we totally dictated the tempo of the game, with our pressing causing them to make so many mistakes. Possession stats something like 65-35, and we never looked like conceding except for that 10 minute spell. We made a very decent Wolves side look very limited, until a worldie from Neves.


22.) 21 Aug 2019
21 Aug 2019 11:22:18
FZZ, We didn't give Wolves a sniff especially in the first half. De Gea was largely a spectator.

I remember last year Jiminez and Jota destroying our defence.
Moutinho and Neves were running the show.
It was a marked difference this year. When we see an improvement, we must acknowledge it.


23.) 21 Aug 2019
21 Aug 2019 11:26:18
Shappy
I wouldn't bother the grass is always greener. City would of scored 20 blah blah . Wolves are a decent team especially at home, it was a good performance Monday.
The theme is Jose done a great job it was the players fault, there not good.
Looks a bit daft when a new manager gets us looking a better team.


24.) 21 Aug 2019
21 Aug 2019 11:28:25
Shappy more bolloxology. In that game city had 71% possession 31 shots 6 on target 644 passes 469 of them were forward.
You are spouting absolute crap in order to try and justify what is a 1 in 7 billion opinion.


25.) 21 Aug 2019
21 Aug 2019 11:38:26
Noucamp. Are wolves a very decent side?
They finished below us last season and we were crap.
I thin k they are decent just above average which is where they finished. They are not a really good side. Few nice players.
We looked comfortable but didn't create anything 2 shots on target 1 being a pen.
It was a better watch and its a better system than last season. Granted we are only 2 games in and its work in progress and rome wasnt built in a day but i think people are over reacting on the improvement and where it will take us this season. That said its not all doom and gloom.
Midfield is short on quality everybody who knows anything about football says so. But it can't be addressed this year so we have to make the most of it.
I'm fine with people sharing their views its obvious there is so much disagreement.


26.) 21 Aug 2019
21 Aug 2019 11:46:46
Trd. This year we had 9 shots 2 on target.
Last year we had 18 with 4 on target.
When you see a disimprovement should you not acknowledge that?


27.) 21 Aug 2019
21 Aug 2019 11:59:19
Jred no doubt we have looked better half the team has changed.
The style is more progressive and attacking.
But the fact is we had half the amount of shots on goal and half the amount on target v the same game last season . Each game is different but to suggest there are no 'verticle' passes available is nonsense.


28.) 21 Aug 2019
21 Aug 2019 12:15:16
Ken
A lot of it is bollocks I'm not sure what a vertical pass is .
Stupid imo to judge a performance on shots as well.
But if you can make it fit your narrative
We have 2 new first team players, and james who will also get some game time .


29.) 21 Aug 2019
21 Aug 2019 13:06:40
There is a coaching phase around that new buzz word verticle pass jred but people need to understand it before spouting nonsense about it. It actually was extracted from NFL coaching.

Yeah 3 new players plus martial and jessie moved positions from there old positions. Mctom has replaced matic in the team also so its very different. That's only going on wolves game.

You don't belive shots are a good way of judging attacking intent
You don't believe goals are a good way of judging a cf
You don't think winning trophies is a good way to judge a manager
You don't think winning medals is a good way to judge a players success

Each to their own but they are the universally accepted measurements by most.


30.) 21 Aug 2019
21 Aug 2019 13:08:04
Ken, a few on here have them finishing above us this year. I thought it was nonsense then, and nothing I saw on Monday night has changed my view.


31.) 21 Aug 2019
21 Aug 2019 13:35:11
Agree Stevie they are not a great side at all. Well drilled and coached a couple of top players good togetherness. But only out of the championship over a year.
To be in as much control as we were but to only mystery 2 sorts on target and create virtually no clear cut chances in the game is a concern.
Good that we are better and have more intensity and look better at the back but creating chances is not improved 1 bit. In fact its disimproved on our opening 2 games last year so let's not get carried away.


32.) 21 Aug 2019
21 Aug 2019 13:38:26
I think it is daft to try and use shots on target to compare the performance from last season to the performance on monday . It's just a way to make it fit your narrative.
Strikers will always be judged on goals
Saying that a player is a good player based on what he has won is is stupidity. A player is a good player based on his talent kane has won nothing he is a very good player tho .
They are universal measure of fan who know little about football.


33.) 21 Aug 2019
21 Aug 2019 13:39:21
99
A few have Leicester and Everton finishing above us.


34.) 21 Aug 2019
21 Aug 2019 13:33:04
Wolves second half looked far more dangerous than we did yet we were in control? We had 1 shot (on target) which was the pen second half its not good enough.


35.) 21 Aug 2019
21 Aug 2019 13:36:47
Exactly NC they are not a great side but we make them look decent. We should be beating them and dominating! You just said it yourself yet your happy with the performance!? what's wrong with some people.


36.) 21 Aug 2019
21 Aug 2019 14:39:20
They didn't control the second half, they were dominant for about ten minutes. I can honestly say I watched the game, and never for one moment thought we would lose the game. I can't remember too many times over the last few seasons when I was able to say that. Wolves are a good side, especially at home, but I believe we are better and we showed that. Just didn't get the result our control deserved. Lot of positives, when you consider the low base we started from. Small steps.


37.) 21 Aug 2019
21 Aug 2019 15:43:40
Yes its baby steps. We will suffer worse performances thus season and bodily many better ones.
To be honest i thought we played better football and were in more control against wolves than chelsea. But we didn't create as many chances. Probably because at no stage were wolves chasing the game really so they didn't leave big spaces for our forwards to run into.
That's where we suffer without players who can unlock the door of the packed defence.
Lets face it jessie rash martial james are all runners or speedsters that thrive on space and ruining in behind. Deprive them of that space and they are a whole lot less effective. So we do need to be able to mix it up but our ptions are veey limited.


38.) 21 Aug 2019
21 Aug 2019 16:44:33
I think we played better against wolves than we did against chelsea .
Even if we had more shots against chelsea ;)