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30 May 2020 15:28:50
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28 May 2020 15:51:56
Premier league returns 17th June (BBC)

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28 May 2020 17:38:33
Must have been quite a productive meeting.

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28 May 2020 18:10:43
Have to be honest, I don't really care, ill watch the games united are involved in but with no fans its not something ill be rushing to watch anyone else for.

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28 May 2020 18:21:39
Can't help but think that this is going to be a mistake.

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28 May 2020 18:34:25
It must have been. I assume the teams who were against a resumption have had their issues and fears allayed and are now happy to continue. It will be strange for many reasons. Ed002 Are the games being played at neutral venues? Or has that not been sorted yet?

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{Ed002's Note - The deal on the table is that not all games will be played at home and it will be a mix of home venues and neutral venues to address police and reduce concerns raised by three cities. You can assume that derbies, crucial matches and home matches for clubs whose fans cannot be trusted will likely be played at neutral venues.}

28 May 2020 19:15:08
Thanks ed002. Obviously a restart will depend on us continuing to improve the r rate etc. If things slip then we will be back to square 1 again. Let's hope not for everyone's sake. Positive note on a return, all Premier league games on normal TV (la liga planning the same via app and sky) .

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{Ed002's Note - It depends on several factors - and there remains a broadcast issue.}

28 May 2020 19:28:18
Thanks ed002. I can imagine sky not being too pleased with free to air games 😂.

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29 May 2020 12:35:27
If it's a mix of home venues and neutral venues it all becomes a bit of a farce really doesn't it.

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29 May 2020 13:05:35
Exactly, some have home advantage, others don't, the integrity of the competition to complete the season is made a mockery of really, its not the same competition we are going back to, a season to forget from existence tbh.

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29 May 2020 14:29:38
I'm not sure the issue of "neutral" venues is that big a deal. With no fans every stadium will be empty. So you lose any advantage from having the majority of the crowd cheering you on, booing your opponent and putting pressure on the officials.

The only advantage left from playing at "home" is a lack of travel before the game. However, that probably only comes into play when you've had to travel from one end of the country to the other and to be honest is a marginal disadvantage to the "away" team at best.

Without fans all stadiums will effectively be neutral grounds.

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29 May 2020 21:12:27
Well, you also become accustomed to your own pitch and have an advantage over away teams in that respect. So it's quite a big disadvantage really.

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29 May 2020 22:02:05
I really don't think it is. The pitches have certain specifications which they have to meet, and boundaries which they have to fall between in terms of length and width. While EPL pitches have hundreds of thousands spent on them each season to maintain them.

Maybe you might feel a little more comfortable in your own dressing room, but these are international players who have all either played for multiple club's, represented their countries in stadia around the world or participated in European competitions with their club's.

All of them have been played in over a hundred different stadiums from youth football right through to their senior careers.

Having 90% or 10% of the fans in the stadium cheering you or booing you is by far the biggest difference between playing at home or away.

That is something that has been removed since fans can no longer be in the stadiums.

We have seen the change in atmosphere in the German games, while a few players plying their trade in the Bundesliga have said that games don't feel like normal home or away games.

Playing Liverpool at Anfield means being met with 50 thousand fans singing "you'll never walk alone" before kick off, those fans drawing the ball into the net at the kop end. Take those fans away and going to Anfield is no longer such a daunting task. Less nerves for the players.

Now some players need those nerves to play, while for others those nerves inhibit them being able to play their best.

We are in uncharted territory, will it be more off putting to play in a larger empty stadium than a smaller one? Will players at club's who normally play in front of massive crowds find playing in empty stadiums more off putting than those who normally play in front of much smaller crowds? Will a lack of fan pressure on match officials lead to less mistakes? Or at least fewer favourable decisions going the home teams way?

There are many aspects linked to the lack of fans that could alter the out comes of games, who owns the pitch is less important in my opinion.

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{Ed001's Note - sorry but you are wrong. The main difference is the landmarks in the stadium. Players judge passes by them. The West Ham players came out publicly talking about how difficult they found it adjusting to their new stadium because of the lack of them with the stands being so far back from the pitch. Once they adjusted it gave them an edge over opponents who couldn't judge passes so easily.}

30 May 2020 08:10:04
Was it though, or was that an excuse for why they suffered poor form when they first played in their new stadium.

Did Arsenal, Man City or Spurs have the same issue when they moved into new stadiums over the past 10 years? No, just West Ham.

The difference in the main is having a disproportionate number of fans in the stadium. It's way there is a correlation between larger stadiums and the home team getting more "favourable" decisions.

Also when looking at major finals held at the home stadium of one of the finalists the results are almost split down the middle as to whether the "home" side won or lost. The difference is that in that one off game the tickets were split evenly. Further supporting the idea that it is having more fans in the stadium that provides a real advantage.

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30 May 2020 11:32:11
A lot of football is played in your head a change in routine does have an effect . There will still be home advantage even with out fans.
Which is why it obviously been an issue for several teams.

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{Ed001's Note - it is pointless, Shappy has decided he is right and will not listen to those who actually have to play the game. He will point out all the stats that favour his point and ignore all the evidence that proves he is wrong. Talking about major finals, as if a one-off game is relevant and is a sample size that proves a thing. Shappy until you understand statistical analysis, just drop it, because everytime you post you just prove you don't understand how to analysis the numbers. You take tiny sample sizes as relevant and ignore the larger ones, which are slightly more relevant, as they disprove your point. If you think the results in major finals are in anyway relevant to this conversation about league matches, then you just prove a lack of understanding about the game of football as well as analysing stats.}

30 May 2020 13:11:16
Actually, I read peer reviewed articles around football and have read several which demonstrate that the “home” crowd are the decisive factor in having a “home” advantage.
Nevill and Holder’s 1999 paper “Home advantage in sport” in Sports Medicine highlights exactly this point. While a recent paper by Inan released this year analysing “The Effect of Crowd support on Home-field Advantage: Evidence from European Football” published in Annals of Applied Sport Science, further supports my argument.

While an interesting read is Waquil, Horta and de Moraes 2020 paper “Home advantage and away goals rule: An analysis from Brazil Cup”. Published in Journal of Sports Analytics.

My argument isn’t based on hearsay from footballers, but on studies performed by academics.

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{Ed001's Note - so academics that have never even played the sport and don't understand it. Ok you stick with that then. Still missing the point that not one of those papers has enough numbers to be relevant in statistical analysis. There is not enough games played a season in football to be able to rule out anomalies or the differences caused by team choices, tactics etc. Your studies you use are flawed and if you understood them you would see that too. You are typical of a blinkered student who thinks they are an expert because they have read a bit but not learnt enough to question what they have read. Instead you just regurgitate it wholesale with no real understanding of what it is you have read.}

30 May 2020 13:41:51
Clearly you haven't read those articles which have been published by highly regarded peer-reviewed journals. Getting work published in these journals isn't easy and if the science doesn't stand up then it doesn't get published. So the work they have done is statistically sound, otherwise it wouldn't be published.

Obviously you can always do a wider review, collect more data and improve the quality and accuracy of the outcomes.

I don't think I'm an expert, but from what I have read which is peer-reviewed in highly rated journals and is scientifically sound, it is clear that the major and key factor in home advantage is based on the crowd.

Playing the game doesn't mean you are able to understand statistics or the key factors that can determine a result. Football employs huge numbers of people working in sport analytics, most of which have never played football at even a semi-professional level. So are the clubs wrong in hiring these people? Of course not they in many cases are top people in their field.

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{Ed001's Note - lots of studies in peer-reviewed journals are wrong and use false information which is later disproved. Perhaps if you knew as much as you think you do, you would understand that. Also, as usual, you fail to understand the points. Football is not appointing sports analytics and taking their data at face value, they are using it as a start point because they know that the data is inherently flawed due to the lack of numbers involved. Teams are only playing 19 league games at home in a league season, that is not enough to plot results-based data from and draw conclusions. Especially when you consider all the other variables involved, such as team selection, tactics etc.

Just ask yourself, if the home crowd is the key to all of this, why do Dortmund not dominate the Bundesliga over Bayern every season? Their home crowd is not just larger, but significantly more vocal. Why don't Turkish teams, who have the most vocal and intimidating crowds, dominate in Europe?

Oh and I never said anything about playing the game making you understand statistics. But it certainly helps you to understand what makes you as a player perform better and what factors affect your performance negatively. The point is that statistical analysis of results and goal data is not usable or relevant as there are too many other factors and not enough games played a season to draw clear and meaningful conclusions. You have no control sample to compare it with for it to be of any use scientifically.}

30 May 2020 14:39:37
Think crowd helps, but familiarity with the pitch helps more tbh. I look at my local leagues and the top sides mostly dominate at home and away not struggle but not as smooth as home, and yeh no fans there.

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27 May 2020 20:58:47
Hello Ed's,

Has the club shown any interest in Berardi? Also who are the back up targets incase the Sancho deal doesn't materialise. I think if he wants to play elsewhere then we should walk away from the deal. As you have already told us the fee with everything attached to it will be astronomical and could be a big mistake.

Thanks a lot and take care 👍.

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{Ed002's Note - There is no interest in Domenico Berardi.

Ferran Torres (RW/LW) considered as a potential Jadon Sancho replacement but likely priced out of a move to Borussia Dortmund - will end up at Real Madrid or Barcelona in all probability at some point. But, if Salah were to depart Liverpool he could well become an option for them but for now that is not the case. The player has made no secret of his desire to join Barcelona at some point. Valencia have a replacement lined up but the €100M asking price would need to drop to make a transfer anywhere viable this summer. Juventus has enquired after his availability but would need to make sales to fund a move. A third party has suggested to Manchester United that Ferran Torres would be a better option to Jadon Sancho as the deal would be far, far cheaper for them.
Federico Chiesa (RW/F) much more affordable than Sancho but Inter remain keen although talks are now on hold. Fiorentina are willing to sell in the summer.
Isaac Lihadji (RW) Not be interested in joining MU and moving elsewhere.

27 May 2020 21:58:30
Thanks very much for your reply Ed.
Has there been further developments regarding Sanchez? Will the club give him a chance or are they looking for a club to take him.

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{Ed002's Note - The club are desparate to get him off the books because of his wages - and he is no kiddie now. They will offer him about but finding takers might be very difficult.}

27 May 2020 22:41:38
Yeah I thought as much Ed. I heard a ridiculous rumour that we had offered Sanchez in a potential deal for Sancho. I can't see them being interested in that one bit. I think we will really struggle to get him to another club. There's obviously been no interest in him I take it by your response.

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28 May 2020 15:54:44
Could sanchez be used as a back up to martial if the ighalo deal is unable to be completed.

Ideally would like to see him move on but we've got a need for a backup striker and he has played there before.

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28 May 2020 16:24:38
£400k a week is not what you want to pay back ups I guess DSG.

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28 May 2020 21:51:16
Pretty sure he's paid around 100K.

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30 May 2020 08:45:27
Pretty sure he’s not.

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27 May 2020 17:26:46
Hey Ed2 just wanted to know what's the latest if any in regards to United's pursuit of Jude Bellingham.

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{Ed002's Note - As far as I know the situation remains with Jude Bellingham that Birmingham want more than £30M for the kid and know that there are clubs from across Europe interested in him, including clubs who can afford to take the risks and clubs who will give him a chance of first team football before the likes of Manchester United (who are very keen). Manchester United have done nothing to try and complete the transfer but propose a low fee and bonuses over a number of years but the player wants a road map which the club can't offer. Dortmund have continued discussions and have thought for a while that they will reach a formal agreement.}

27 May 2020 21:43:09
Amateurs at it again?

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28 May 2020 08:35:01
peter?

amateurs risking offloading more than 30 million for a 16 year old child? who is no where near the level for the first team?

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28 May 2020 10:33:59
I have said previously that although clearly a very talented young player I struggle to see how he fits in to a United first team.

He is too young to be loaned out, while at the same time we have Matic, Fred, McTominay, Bruno and Pogba currently as first team midfielders. While we are looking at players such as Saul if Pogba leaves. Which means at best Bellingham would be one of 6 players fighting it out for one of the three staring midfield positions. While doing so against vastly more experienced players.

A move to United will either result in time on the bench in the first team or playing Under 23's. Neither of which are better than playing every week in the Championship with Birmingham.

I think Bellingham is at a vital moment in his young career, look at Odegaard, moving to Real Madrid at 16 years old. He is only just looking like getting his career back on track now at 22, SIX years after making the move.

If he moves to a club too far up the football ladder he risks spending most of his time on the bench and stagnating. He needs game time, either continuing at the level he is at or maybe at a higher level. I think the key thing is for him to realise he doesn't have to rush. Which is probably the hardest thing to appreciate at 16 years old. He needs to believe in himself and appreciate that if he is good enough then opportunities to join the biggest clubs will always be open to him. But to be a great player you need to be playing, every week.

Look at Angel Gomes, one of the most gifted players from our academy, yet Bellingham three years his junior is rated just as highly if not a little higher based off nothing more than playing every week albeit at a lower level.

My advice to all young players is go where you will play, you learn between 20-30% of your footballing knowledge through training, the rest can only be learned and developed through playing actual matches.

Look at our own academy this season, Williams didn't make the pre-season tour squad, yet due to actually playing games this season (due to injuries) he has managed to jump ahead of players such as Garner, Gomes and Laird who were all rated higher than him this time last year.

Personally I think Bellingham is best off signing a professional contract with Birmingham, play there next season then move to a mid-tier sized club the following summer, stay there for a couple of years then move to a top level club still only aged 19/ 20 years old, but in a position to fight for a first team spot every week.

Playing for the biggest clubs is an end goal, at 16 the only goal you should be considering is how to develop yourself.

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28 May 2020 12:07:30
My point wasn’t about wether the player should be signed or not. Wasn’t even to do with the amount of money being mentioned.
United clearly want the player As they are offering instalments but just fly by the seat of their pants when it comes to negotiating. Why would you not supply a road map for a young player and why would the player even need to ask for this.

Kid should go to Dortmund.

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28 May 2020 12:08:18
Agree Shappy that young players only develop through playing. But if you’re good enough you’ll come through to the first team. In time. Look at Giggs and Rooney, Owen as examples. Is Bellingham in that tier though? Time will tell. Best of both worlds for United is to secure his transfer now but loan back for 2 seasons. Pogba definitely gone by then though hopefully replaced by Saul. Matic likely to leave then also.

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28 May 2020 12:31:48
Halesini, He can't be loaned back until he is at least 18 years old. The rules do not allow the loan of players under the age of 18.

So if we sign him the only options are to play him in the first team, or in the Under 23's. As I have said there are significant hurdles for him to play in the first team and the Under 23's is a much lower standard than he is playing currently.

This was the issue Real Madrid had with Odegaard. They signed him but he couldn't get enough game time in the first team, but at least they could play him for the B side in the second division. Although ultimately he stagnated, he was then loaned out to three clubs I think since he turned 18 and it is only this year at the age of 22 that he has managed to kick on.

Bellingham could end up in a potentially a worse situation at United as if he doesn't play in the first team then the Under 23's is a much lower level than that the Real Madrid B team play.

I think the other examples you mention such as Giggs, Rooney and Owen all managed it with significantly less competition for places. With only one or two players in the first team fighting them for a first team spot. Bellingham would have 5 maybe 6 players he would be competing with for a first team spot.

Now although he has been impressive in the Championship, the EPL is a step up and he is very young. I would probably say he isn't ready to play most weeks for a side near the top of the EPL. The lad needs to learn to walk before he can run.

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28 May 2020 13:21:49
you said amateurs at it again? in reply to the ed saying we put a low offer with addons and bonuses.


is that not realistic for a player who is 16.


not having a go just my opinion on the post.

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28 May 2020 13:58:12
He doesn't need to be loaned back Shappy, we could just arrange the transfer date to be next season.

This signing isn't about plugging a hole in the squad now. It is the "biggest" club in England signing the most talented kid in England. Spend 30 million now so you don't have to spend 100 million in 3 years.

Not many are batting an eyelid at spending £150 million on Sancho. This is more than just "where does the kid play". We have rolled out the red carpet for him and his family. Got Sir Alex to show him around Carrington. Activtely trying to sign an English kid and he will turn us down to play in Germany.

This is a signing that a proactive club makes. We have been offering low balling bids that will get us nowhere. We're the equalivant of a poser that goes to the gym just to take selfies and not do the hard work. Then to keep up we take some steroids (Sanchez), short term effects look great but it will kill us in the long run.

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28 May 2020 14:50:22
Mumbles, I think the issue stems from the fact that currently Bellingham hasn't signed a professional deal with Birmingham as he isn't yet old enough. So Birmingham cannot "sell" him currently. If he doesn't sign a professional deal with Birmingham then he could in theory sign for any club for just a compensation fee (which if pushed to tribunal would likely be a few million at most.

However, my understanding is the Bellingham family have agreed to sign pro-deal so that Birmingham can receive a large fee for him.

So clubs are reluctant to just agree to a 30m deal or whatever Birmingham are asking for, given that in theory he could be available for a tenth of that. While I don't think there is a rule that would allow you to sign a player now, but not register him at your club for 18 months. The closest you might get is him signing a permanent deal with Birmingham and then United agreeing to sign him for a fixed fee at the end of next season. However, I have no idea how legal that sort of arrangement would be, or why Birmingham would agree to it as depending on the market and how he develops over next season he could be worth significantly more.

While it's fair to say that in three years time he could be worth significantly more, given the current situation and the likely knock on effects in terms of transfer fees I think its right that clubs don't just jump and and throw 30m around for a 16 year old like its nothing. Likewise clubs could have spent 30m or 40m on a 17 year old Januzaj, or Macheda players who at 17/ 18 years old looked destined to become top players. Yet in hindsight that would have been an awful investment.
Barcelona thought 140m for Dembele would be a sound investment, thinking the market would only continue to grow. Yet, the kid has struggled for fitness and form and the market has dropped significantly.

We signed Nick Powell as a future England star midfielder from the Championship.

Bellingham looks a future great player, but he is 16 years old and a lot can happen between now and when he should be entering his peak years in TEN years time. He could suffer serious injury, he could go off the rails with a huge contract giving him too much too soon, or he could lose focus on football and not develop as many think he will.

Freddy Adu was going to be the next Ronaldo (Brazilian), yet he made very few top flight appearances in Europe.

The club are trying to sign the lad, and they have done several things in order to tempt him. I've stated the issues with providing a 16 year old with a "road map" into the first team. The club can't loan him out, and they certainly can't guarantee him any first team football beyond him being part of the squad and competing for a first team place.

As for the club making "proactive" signings, last summer we signed AWB, James and Maguire. Two are good young prospects who have made an impact while the eldest player signed is now our club captain. We then signed a 25 year old Bruno in January a player who in his few appearances looks like he could arguably be our best player (albeit only on a small sample size) . Ighalo might fit into your analogy of short term fixes, yet the idea of not signing a long term prospect in striker position could be linked to the club having one eye on the development of one of our own super talented young players in Mason Greenwood.

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28 May 2020 15:22:07
Mumbles like I’ve already said. My point was the fact we refused to give a young player a road map. That’s what I find amateurish. If you read again you will see I make that very clear.

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28 May 2020 15:34:09
We could sign Bellingham and leave him at Birmingham for a season. It wouldn't be a loan, it would be agreeing a transfer date in the future.

Your hypothetical scenarios could work for any transfer. The fact is that we are losing out on a young English target to Dortmund.

As the biggest club in England, we should not be losing out on the most promising 16 year old in the country, who we are actively trying to buy.

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28 May 2020 15:38:43
Peter, what sort of a "road map" do you think the club should be giving him?

We can't loan him out, so his options are under 23's or the first team.

Are you suggesting that our club with 142 years worth of history, a club that has had some of the greatest players ever grace the turf of Old Trafford should be guaranteeing a 16 year old a place in the staring 11 ahead of Pogba, Bruno, Fred, Matic and McTominay?

You say road map like its an obvious and clear thing. What sort of guarantees should the club be giving him.

For me regardless of who you are or what you have achieved you still need to earn your starting spot.

Reports in the press suggest the club have said that if signed Bellingham has been told he will be part of the first team squad.

That in my opinion is about as far as the club can go. He might get more chances at other clubs, and if playing every week is what is important to him then good on him and he will probably have to go elsewhere to get that, he certainly will if he wants guarantees of game time.

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28 May 2020 17:45:04
Shappy
The lad shouldn't get any guarantees at all with first team exactly the same as gomes if u get the chance you take it. But i would love the club to grab a young potentially good player and try to develop him inhouse. We could always make it a future transfer for next summer with then loans the season after. The club has risked a ton lately on the likes of alexis giving ddg a mass deal when we had henderson. Risking on a young lad might be a change of pace. 2-3 seasons we don't know who will be in midfield n he could or could not slot straight in but if he wants it enough I've always thought were a team that can develop some great talents. i'd love to go back to that rather than double or tripple every players wage we want to sign n then they come in and coast.

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28 May 2020 17:50:17
Mumbles, what I'm saying is there is no precedent for a club agreeing the transfer of a player, but not signing them for over a year so they could stay at their current club. Let alone the issues regarding his age.

We would be in New territory and I'm not sure whether that would be within the laws of the game.

While I'm not sure what Birmingham stand to gain from agreeing to sell a player in a year's time for a fixed fee. What sort of legal protections does either side have in case of a career ending injury?

Would it still be in there best interests to play him?

I would imagine the reality is we sign him this summer or we don't. If we do then he has to stay with us until he is at least 18. Which means January 2022 is the earliest he could leave on loan.

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28 May 2020 19:08:18
Reason to wait and see on Bellingham
Garner
Levitt
Gomes
Hannibal

Granted we are yet to see the role these guys and Jude will play long term and is why along with loan reason I’d wait and see.

(FM suggestion: agreed purchase date as end of next season + loan back, keeps him at Brum till 22.)

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{Ed002's Note - I am not sure Dortmund will be looking to sell him next season.}

28 May 2020 22:39:30
Ed002, I'm pretty sure the answer will be no. But is it possible for a club to agree a deal to sign a player over a year in advance?

I've never heard of it, but it seems like it's something that you can do on FM, or I'm not sure where the idea is coming from.

So could United agree to sign Bellingham in the summer of 2021? And how legally binding would that be?

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{Ed002's Note - Sure. Keita to Liverpool is an example. RvN to MU another. Contracts can be written and signed but no such proposal is being made.}

26 May 2020 19:27:04
Hi ed002 was there any breakthrough at the epl meeting today with regards to a restart?

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{Ed002's Note - That was not the purpose of today - there is a meeting between clubs on Thursday but they won’t be confirming a date. They have to resolve a number of issues first.}

26 May 2020 21:31:34
Thanks ed002. Hope all going well for you in Cornwall.

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{Ed002's Note - Fine thanks.}

25 May 2020 22:43:53
Hi Ed,

I was wondering what the latest situation is with Ighalo? Can you see us extending his loan until the end of the season?
I’d like him with us for the run in and think he’s had a good impact. Thanks.

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{Ed002's Note - Manchester United would like to but his club want a sale or return.}

25 May 2020 23:31:48
Just on that point Ed002, are the club still considering signing him permanently or have they got different targets for cf?

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{Ed002's Note - Signing him is a viable, and cost effective, solution.}

25 May 2020 23:49:19
Thanks Ed. Hopefully they can sort something, although time is a factor with him due to return to China next week. Think he's done well in the games he's played and I honestly think he'd be a decent signing.

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{Ed002's Note - He is a very viable option.}

26 May 2020 08:47:57
Given the financial implications of C.V., signing Ighalo would make sense. He had made a positive impact since his arrival.

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26 May 2020 16:41:09
I think the club like all others will have to look at finances this summer and whilst we may be in a good position compared to others I don't believe we will go silly. It would be great to bring in a Werner (I think he is headed elsewhere) but if we are committed to Martial up top and bringing on Greenwood I think we could do a lot worse than Ighalo (Fee and weekly salary dependent) .

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27 May 2020 08:34:04
I am sure i read somewhere that Werner was almost a certainty to sign for Liverpool. This was months and months ago well before C.V.

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27 May 2020 11:47:52
Yeah. Based on what I've seen on the Liverpool page, seems his head has been turned after being tapped up/ illegally approached by Klopp.

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27 May 2020 12:29:19
Clearly Ole has a lot of faith in Martial, and if he can stay fit he is a very good player. He links well with Rashford and Bruno (recently), and can be a very good player for us. He is only 24.

I think from what I've seen our future centre forward is Mason Greenwood, and I think he could challenge for that position much sooner than many people think. He has 12 goals in 15 starts for the club, mostly played as a wide player, and only turned 18 last October.

Rashford has been a first choice player for the last three years, he turned 22 last October. From what I've seen Greenwood is more naturally gifted than Rashford, so if he keeps his feet on the ground, avoids injury and works hard there is no reason why Greenwood won't be a first choice player before he is 20.

So with that in mind, does it really make sense to sign a player who is 23/ 24 around the same age as Martial who'll just place an extra body in the way of Greenwood.

We need a player with experience who can rotate with Martial up front for a year or two while Greenwood gets games maybe from a wider role, or in rotation. Before Greenwood is ready to challenge for that starting spot.

So we need a player who is 29/ 30 at their peak, but won't be a long term problem.

In that sense Odion Ighalo makes a lot of sense, he is happy to not be first choice every week, has a great attitude, is the right profile of striker and the right age. Beyond Ighalo we could maybe look at Raul Jimenez as an option, or Wissam Ben Yedder could be a good choice.

But Ighalo would pip them for me as he is already part of the squad and settled.

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25 May 2020 18:25:10
Nice to know Angel Gomes has signed a new contract. 🔴.

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25 May 2020 21:16:20
Has it been confirmed Scholesy mate?

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25 May 2020 21:40:41
Not that I’ve seen Damon but a lot of chat on twitter so I’d take it with a pinch of salt at the moment. If it’s true and he has signed then hopefully he kicks on. Not developed as we’ve expected when he made his debut. Maybe a loan spell would be good for him.

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25 May 2020 14:08:19
Hi eds, I have read ferran torres will be allowed to leave valencia this window as his contract expires next summer. Do we have an interst in him? And if so do you see a possible move happening? He certainly would fit the profile of a young and hungry player that we seem to be looking at now.

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{Ed002's Note - Ferran Torres (RW/LW) considered as a potential Jadon Sancho replacement but likely priced out of a move to Borussia Dortmund - will end up at Real Madrid or Barcelona in all probability at some point. But, if Salah were to depart Liverpool he could well become an option for them but for now that is not the case. The player has made no secret of his desire to join Barcelona. Valencia have a replacement lined up but the €100M asking price for Torres would need to drop to make a transfer anywhere viable this summer. Juventus has enquired after his availability but would need to make sales to fund a move. A third party has suggested to Manchester United that Ferran Torres would be a better option to Jadon Sancho as the deal would be far, far cheaper for them. Valencia has proposed a player plus cash for Torres proposal with another side recently but it is not seen as a good deal by the other side at this time.}

25 May 2020 15:53:28
Thanks for the response and your insight ed002. I hope we go for him, from what I've seen he's going to be a top class player.

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{Ed002's Note - I am not sure what will happen. Valencia want cash and Barcelona are the preferred destination - but need to raise cash for everything they are looking to do, or trade players.}

26 May 2020 12:59:03
Ed in your opinion who would be the better option for Utd, torres or sancho?

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{Ed002's Note - Ideally both players want to play for other sides - and that for me might be a reason to look elsewhere to find a player that fits and wants to play for Manchester United (or at least doesn't want to play elsewhere). The costs for both players are huge and that itself is going to be a problem - particularly with the demands of Sancho's agent. Although the costs for Sancho may have reduced a little it would be a significant. Sancho would be a lesser risk than Torres.}

26 May 2020 16:38:46
Ed002, with both players wanting to play for other side's, who do you feel would be a good fit for the RW role at United?

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{Ed002's Note - By a long was Federico Chiesa - but it is not going to happen.}

26 May 2020 19:52:36
Fair enough. Is that because United don't have a strong interest in him or because he is moving elsewhere?

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{Ed002's Note - Certainly the first and probably the second.}

26 May 2020 20:30:55
Good stuff Ed002. Thanks very much.

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29 May 2020 12:42:09
Hi Ed, hope you're well. Would it be remiss of me to ask what is Sanchos preferred destination if he has one?

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{Ed002's Note - Chelsea.}

29 May 2020 13:22:22
Thank you Ed, hope you're doing well.

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24 May 2020 12:35:56
With what we have minus Pogba, Rojo, Jones, plus:
Saul, Sancho, Grealish
(Or similar level)

Next summer
Haaland, Koulibaly
(Or similar level)

Raul Jimenez, Ighalo etc signings will support and add depth. Good direction of travel.

With excellent prospects in Greenwood, Garner, Laird, Mengi, Hannibal with Levitt, Williams too. It is fair to say we need better planning for a path to the first team but there’s some quality depth there to challenge the first team.

Utd are well placed with or without Ole. Better prepared than for a long time. If they can solve the football management side out even better.

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24 May 2020 13:08:26
Avoid Koulibaly. He is nearly 30 now amd would cost near £100 million. If you spend money like that one player, he needs to be a lot younger than he is for it to be worthwhile.

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24 May 2020 13:42:55
One of the major aspects that might play a part in dragging the club out of the doldrums is our academy.

Potentially we could name a side like this: Henderson, Laird, Mengi, Bernard, Williams, Garner, Levitt, Mejbri, Ramazani, Greenwood and Hoogewerf

Of which only Greenwood and Williams could say they are already established in the first. While we also have academy players like Tuanzebe, McTominay and Rashford in the first team squad.

Now obviously not all of those lads will make it at the club, but there are quite a few with a really good chance of making it as at least squad players some as first choice players. Henderson, Williams, Tuanzebe, Garner, Mejbri, McTominay, Rashford and Greenwood could all be first choice players within the next 2-3 years. While players like Laird, Mengi and Levitt also have a good chance of stepping up into squad roles.

That gives the club a great platform to work from. Add to that players such as DDG, AWB, Maguire, Shaw, Fred, Bruno and Martial who could well be key first team players for the next few years at least. Then the core of a very good squad is there.

2 or 3 top class additions this summer and we have the makings of a league winning side. But more due to the quality coming out of our academy more than anything.

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24 May 2020 16:31:15
Which 2 or 3 signings would they be Shappy, that could see us win the league next year?

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24 May 2020 17:33:19
Sancho and Saul would be game changers for me.
Both so good with possession and on counter.

You can see what type of play we want to go forward with from the type of targets.

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24 May 2020 19:43:47
Mad hatter totally agree re Koulibaly. He is a very good player but he is nowhere near the quality of Van Djik or Laporte. Must be younger and better options. I would be tempted to let Bailly have a full season.

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25 May 2020 12:58:25
Mumbles I didn't necessarily mean win the title next year. My point was more that we would have so many quality young players that we wouldn't necessarily need to sign too many more top players to have a squad capable of winning the league, we would just need some of our players to reach their potential.

In three years time a front three of Sancho, Greenwood and Rashford could arguably be the best in the league if not Europe. While Henderson looks like the best English keeper, and we still have DDG. AWB has the potential to be one of the best full backs in the world, and is probably already the best 1v1 defender. While we have players like Bruno, Fred, Maguire who'll be 28-30 and in their primes, players like Shaw, Tuanzebe, Lindelof, Bailly, McTominay, James etc who'll be in their mid-twenties, and young players who might be stepping up to being first team regulars such as Mengi, Laird, Williams, Garner, Mejbri and possibly Bellingham.

So if we sign Sancho, a top young DM, and a top young CB this summer then we will have the core of a great squad that shouldn't need too many other players brought in to complete it. Maybe just a squad player here and there or someone if one of the younger players doesn't work out how we hope.

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25 May 2020 21:22:10
Yes I would agree with all that Shappy. I'm very excited for the future of our great club I must say I think we are in great shape. The foundations are all there and we just need to sprinkle it here and there but we definitely have a strong spine coming to the side. It's been a slow process but I do finally see things falling into place. I just can't wait for things to be back to normal to finally go to the game again.

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