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13 Mar 2018 22:02:32
Terrible performance . A lot of big name players were massive under achievers tonight . what's happened to Sanchez since he started wearing a Utd shirt?

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1.) 13 Mar 2018 22:19:22
Sanchez has been poisoned by the negativity. I don't think it's a coincidence any of the supposed 'flare' players have suffered for Utd in recent years. We have had some of the best in the world and they are starved.

You are going to give the ball away if players aren't moving correctly, their mind is on defensive duty and he is expecting players to be in positions where they aren't. He is being sloppy, but frustration contributes, trying to do too much because nobody else wants to take on the baton.

Same happened with ADM. Strikers are starved, full backs don't know how to play as full backs, midfield don't support attack, defenders can double up. He is not on form, but that is compounded by these issues.

We could sign Messi and it would be similar - unless the style and mindset changes we will ruin flare. Fitness is a massive issue as well, nobody works off the ball. Amount of players trotting is a disgrace. Good players made to look like they aren't.


2.) 13 Mar 2018 22:56:57
beast juve pulled our pants down with pogba yes he is well suited to a slow italian league but can not cut it in ours. makes you think if fergie knew more and that is why he would not play him. i don't mind players having off games but not even breaking sweat i just can not defend and he is not the only one.

{Ed033's Note - Oh, that's how wiggy caught a dose, by juve pulling his pants down.


3.) 13 Mar 2018 23:32:35
'flair' :)


4.) 14 Mar 2018 00:40:14
Whoops, been spelling it like that all my life! Cheers Stevie.


 

 

02 Feb 2014 18:19:27
Good post Mick1 . Me like a lot of posters on here are only airing our views here out of frustration. With the same squad as last year and our current form the finger of blame is starting to point to Moyes! Is he not getting the best out of the squad or is it the squad not adapting to his management style or tactics?

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1.) Personally, I think SAF worked miracles with the teamhe had last year. let's not kid ourselves, the football we have played 95% of the time for the past 2+ years has been shocking. But, with SAF we were able to keep grinding out results and added to our competitors having poor seasons last year we won the league easily. It was totally down to SAF and a huge amount of consistency, not a great team playing great football.

Now we have Moyes and the same team know that a lot will not be here next season and, personally, I feel it is affecting their games. This isn't Moyes' fault and I wouldn't blame the players either, it is just how it is when a new guy comes in and the whole world knows huge change is needed. Evra and Rafael I feel are 2 examples of this. Then you have the ageing players like Rio, Vidic, Carrick etc who pretty much know their time is up too. Moyes needs a big summer window where he clear out who HE feels needs to go and brings in quality in their place. Then the first team and squad will know that they have a future at the club, we will have added quality which is much needed and a new confidence in the camp to really go for it again next season. We just have to ride this season out and pray we somehow scrape a fourth spot if at all possible.


2.) I don't think its fair to compare last years results with this years for two reasons:

1) It is not the same squad.
- No Scholes
- Giggs, Ferdinand, Evra and Vidic are a year older and showing it.
- Injuries. SAF had a full year with Roo and RVP. Can't say the same for this year.

2) The competition has got a lot better. Chelsea, Man City, Arsenal, Liverpool and (arguably) Tottenham have all greatly improved for different but well documented reasons.

Do I think SAF would have got more points than DM at this stage of the season? Yes, but I don't believe he would have been top 3 either, and I don't believe that he would have started to tackle some of the longer term issues such as fixing the spine of the team and clearing out the squad.


3.) Brendan, therefore the team can play better under better leadership.


4.) Popester, what you are not taking into account is that SAF a) would have had the same coaching staff and b) probably would have signed some decent players during the summer, and having done so would have done better. If he'd had the same squad and the same injuries I still believe we would have 6-10 more points.


5.) Peashooter, who's to say Fergie would have bought decent players - the midfield was ignored long before Moyes came along.

It could well have been left another year under Fergie- who knows?

{Ed004's Note - Fergie had a keen interest in Strooman and Thiago}


6.) Not significantly Syd no, well in my eyes anyway. I think anyone who came in after SAF would have had the same problems as Moyes. Each would have handled it differently, but it can't be said for definite if they would have won more games or not.

This was SAF's team, he built it and rebuilt it. These were SAF's players who he knew inside out. The ageing and substandard players should have been replaced long ago (Anderson, Evra, Young etc) and not left knowing the new manager would get rid for sure, it was always going to cause problems with performance and morale. But Moyes can't be blamed, in my eyes. What should he do? Say he is going to keep them all and carry on with a sub standard team? I'd rather a poor year where the below standard players and those with the wrong attitude are weeded out and finally replaced. Then we can go again in August.

I'm certain Moyes will be a success, but he is going through a tough phase that any replacement would have struggled greatly with. Only a personality like Mourinho might have been able to handle it a bit better, but he is not what we need at United and even he, with our current group, would have struggled, as the players who pretty much know they are on the way, would have reacted the same way.


7.) He's had interest in plenty of players over the years, Ed, but he didn't necessarily bid for them.

Who's to say he would have bid for those two either? That's my point. No-one knows for sure, except those involved.

In the meantime, fans use guesswork and supposition to suit their own viewpoints.


8.) I agree Stevie, people were more against us signing Strootman on here than for it last season. He was too slow and not good enough according to most. Add to that the fact that Thiago was waiting for Bayern to bid as that was where he wanted to go and we would have missed out on him anyway. SAF may have left the CM yet again anyway, who knows.


 

 

 

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11 Feb 2018 16:19:34
This is a very very bad result . Beginning to question if Jose is the tactical genius that is claimed!

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Maybe Fergie should have opted for The Special One instead of The Chosen One!

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I have had the same views and reasoning but why choose a man with no previous experience of being a winner? Just look at his body language he is totally out of his depth! Hope I am wrong but this whole episode could be the end of our recent glory years .

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