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17 Aug 2022 01:09:49
Hi Ed02!

With transfer window very near to the end, lot of reports claiming we are in talks with several agents of different players who were not our primary target before.

If you can, can you please give us some clarity on who the players are that we are jumping on right now. Annoying as it may be, i am hopeful that this are the players who fit into ten haag's philosophy instead of random players just for the sake of signing.

Srestha

{Ed002's Note - I am not aware who these players are. I am aware of the options I have mentioned. Agents will approach clubs all of the time, but it does not mean there is interest from the club.}


1.) 17 Aug 2022 11:11:17
Hey Ed,
You think we will get any players in or are we more or less done?

Thanks!

{Ed002's Note - There will be some comings and goings.}


2.) 17 Aug 2022 11:57:15
Great!

Fingers crossed, Ed.

Thanks again!


3.) 17 Aug 2022 16:25:25
How many will we get in Ed?

{Ed002's Note - it is hard to tell.}


4.) 17 Aug 2022 17:11:12
Oh come on Ole, how are you expecting Ed2 to know that?


5.) 17 Aug 2022 20:14:54
Honestly I don't anyone is coming in. no one wants to join this shambles of a club anymore. We might just have enough to avoid relegation but I don't hold my breathe.


6.) 18 Aug 2022 00:15:12
we will sign a few players Nick, a while left yet.


 

 

20 Jun 2022 23:07:20
HI Ed02!

Sorry if this has been covered but what is going on with Phil Jones. Will he be surviving another window despite being one of the most useless player in the squad.

I don't want to sound rude but this guy literally has sucked millions and millions of pounds without even kicking a ball. I was extremely annoyed when he got offered a new contract by incompetent board despite having done nothing to earn it. A genuine player who would love playing football would rather move somewhere else to play and earn at the same time.

His chapter must surely end this window.

Srestha

{Ed002's Note - Phil Jones (CB) was an option for Burnley last summer but James Tarkowski stayed, now relegated they will have moved on. Would likely need to drop down to the Championship to find a club where he would start although Fulham are open to a discussion with the player. Wages may be a problem. Bordeaux offered an opportunity - rejected by the player.}


1.) 21 Jun 2022 11:44:40
It’s not his fault the club offered him a contract and that we signed him despite knowing he had bad knees that would cut short his career.

He has cost the club a lot of money, none of that is his fault though.


2.) 21 Jun 2022 13:03:26
I hope that logic is applied to all players at the club not just a selected few.

Its not any of the players fault that the club gives them contracts or signs them for big fees.


3.) 21 Jun 2022 14:24:45
DsG. You will defend pogba till your 6 foot under.
You will be on your own?.


4.) 21 Jun 2022 14:25:39
If he rejected Bordeaux, he is thinking one of European Giants come in for him?


5.) 21 Jun 2022 15:06:23
Jones may not be good enough but at least when he did play last season he put in the effort and tried. more than can be said of some so called better players.


6.) 21 Jun 2022 15:57:49
I’d have thought Bordeaux would have been hard to turn down. What wasn’t to like……….


7.) 21 Jun 2022 16:34:41
I have always found this odd, Phil has earned enough money in his career that he will never have to work again.
Why wouldn't he take a reduction in wages to get back playing regularly, he plays with enough motivation, so surely he would prefer to be on a pitch each week.


8.) 21 Jun 2022 17:15:43
He won’t take a reduction in wages because he doesn’t have to.

The club were dumb enough to give a permanently injured player a massive contract. The player seems to be happy to sit on his contract.


9.) 21 Jun 2022 20:00:28
Agree with Danny if someone is dumb enough to pay you £100k per week Phil Jones should be smart enough to take it for as long as contractually he's able to. We have been woeful in extending contracts to 'protect players' book value'.

That practice has hopefully been shelved now but we need to be smarter in tying down players to longer contracts quicker providing they've shown they're good enough. Rashford a case in point now - in his last year but have option to extend. If it weren't for Ten Hag coming in now and starting afresh his is a first 'keep now and extend or sell this summer'.

Strongly suspect (or is it just blind hope more likely) that Rashford will come good again and we will sort another contract for him. However I do think Sancho and Rashford are both vying for the same LW spot. So he may be fortunate that we don't have cover directly for Ronaldo and centre forward a position he could play also.

Ten Hag will make his decision whether to keep Rashford though or anyone else for that matter. After that we need to be more ruthless in moving players on. If you were a player on a massive wage though what incentive do you have to leave? I know its a short career etc but £100k for doing nothing or £50k for 'working'? - I know which most would pick!


10.) 21 Jun 2022 20:13:19
He will never play regularly for any team he plays for so why would he go somewhere else for less money and sit in the treatment room there?


11.) 21 Jun 2022 22:55:44
Gosh our fan base! Defending a ridiculous player because the incompetent board offered him a stupid contract. That more aligns with the fact that he is here only for the money and nothing else. And and top of that, the money is without even playing. I thought that all of us agree about not wanting to have such player in our team.

It is like defending a corrupt officer for accepting a bribe because someone was stupid to offer him.

How about we think that he is also among the problem lying at our club and we need to get rid of him despite the fact that we offered him a new contract.

His chapter needs to close and i hope that is this window.


12.) 21 Jun 2022 19:43:41
I don't blame players for taking a contract that's overinflated. I blame the club that offered it them.

Under Woodward we kept doing it, player after player, year after year. Whether its him the manager or both to blame I dunno.

If someone offered my a lot more money to do my job but I didn't deserve it I would still take it! I bet the vast majority of people would but for some reason footballers are expected to have a different moral compass and think I don't deserve this so I will look for less money elsewhere.


13.) 21 Jun 2022 23:36:41
Gds2 on the money there imo. I've said the same before.
If Jones was fit and well and available for selection every week then he might have considered moving on to play for less money. But why sit in 1 treatment room for 50k when you can sit in another fit 100k?


14.) 21 Jun 2022 23:53:25
Jones has been useless even when healthy. Rashford is grossly overrated and if someone is stupid enough to pay 60 mill for him, i think the club should get him a On a G7 and move him on. Overated and overhyped. He has been rubbish for a long time. Take the money beef up midfield and back 4.


15.) 22 Jun 2022 06:49:44
OakBark

If you are that sort of employee than the company shouldn't really want you. Should it?

Jones might not be wrong on his part taking the deal and earning without playing. But, as a fan of this club, we should not be here sitting accepting that. It is nowhere acceptable.

GDS, Ken

You have thought from Jones point of view but how about trying to think from fans view. We as a club should not do it. Yes! We did lot of wrong things but that does not mean it should continue.

What sort of footballer do you want? The one who wants to play and contribute and earn? or the one who doesn't care if he plays or not but only cares about money?

I know what kind of players i want at my club but not sure about you. Defending Phil Jones is laughable for someone who wants the club to get back to its best.


16.) 22 Jun 2022 09:44:45
"f you are that sort of employee than the company shouldn't really want you"

And that's the point, Srestha. That's why people are blaming the club rather than the player. Any proper company shouldn't.


17.) 22 Jun 2022 10:19:25
I tend to agree with Ken and GDS on this one.

Jones is unfortunate in that he just can't stay fit. I'm sure he'd rather be fit and playing even on half the wages.

I also think people are far too hard on him as a player. When he has managed to stay fit he has been first choice for most managers. He was first choice for LvG and Mourinho when fit. Ole played him for a few games when fit at the start of his time as manager.

I'd argue that his one start last season against Wolves was at least as good as anything we saw from any of our other CB's last season. Possibly as an individual performance it was arguably the best CB performance last season.

He isn't a bad player. He never managed to reach the heights his talent suggested he could reach due to the constant injuries. While the media have made him into a joke with the faces he pulls while playing. Which while funny is unkind and unfair.

I'd probably say a fully fit Phil Jones plays ahead of any of Maguire, Lindelof, Bailly or Tuanzebe.

He also has a good attitude, he never gives less than 100% when on the pitch. Watch him walking on to the pitch against Wolves and tell me the other 10 players look as up for it as Jones does.

I'll be sad to see him leave as his career is tragic and you are left wondering what if.

Every footballer wants to play and win things, they also want to earn as much as they can while doing so.

Jones is unfortunate in that it doesn't matter who pays him he won't play as his body just cannot sustain itself for the demands of playing football.

So like Ken said, why choose to take a pay cut to sit in a smaller physio room at another club. He's also fairly local to where he grew up and all his friends and family.

I can't see much appeal for him taking a pay cut to sit in the physio room potentially 300 miles away from his friends and family.

If you were given a choice of doing a job for 50k or 25k for doing the exact same thing, to a man everyone of us would take the 50k job.


18.) 22 Jun 2022 10:46:51
Noucamp!

Looks like u missed my point. I am blaming the club for giving him the contract but that does not mean that Jones is blameless.

The amount of money he is earning as a lumpsum could have been used for better use. As for a football player who usually has 15 years of career, i have seen a lot of player who take a paycut to play the game they love.

Jones isn't that player and should not be anywhere near this club.


19.) 22 Jun 2022 11:02:48
Shappy!

Firstly, we rarely had good defenders that could carry Vidic and Ferdinand’s legacy. Jones and smalling started because they were the best among the bad bunch of defenders so it is not really a convincing point.

Second, you mentioned about his injury record which is even frustrating because u can't even have him at bench if for some reason we needed him. He is a poor defender with absolutely horrible injury record which us the reason why he should have been let go a long time ago.

I am really surprised how easily you said that he gives his 100%. I guess it is because you forgot all the horrible defending we saw from him few years back and there was clear lack of effort from his side as well.

Wolves game last season does not erase all the horrible games he had. If one good game from him justifies him earning millions of pounds that otherwise could have been properly invested, then i am not sure what to say to that.

Further, his attitude clearly does not strike as someone who wants to play football regularly. He has rejected multiple contracts from various clubs despite knowing that he will play next to nothing here.

You did raise good point though ” why choose to take a pay cut to sit in a smaller physio room at another club. ”. It is the exact reason i don't want him and nor anyone should. Why would u want a player spending all his time in a physio room and leeching the funds that we as a fans have paid.

He had bags of potential to be one of the best defenders but wasted it. And it is not only down to injury but also his desire to work for it.

People really have a short memory. If Jones had played next 10 games after the wolves game then i am pretty sure he would have horrible 7 games (if somehow he wasnt injured again) .

It happened a lot before and because he is not playing anymore, i believe fans have already forgotten about how poor of a defender he was.

I am pretty sure if let's say Maguire get injured for a whole year, people will soon forget how horrible he was because there will be another regular poor performer who will be getting the blame.


20.) 22 Jun 2022 14:42:59
Srestha, I think that's quite a naive view. 99% of people, if they were offered such and such amount of money, would not turn round and say, I'll take half that, please.


21.) 23 Jun 2022 02:41:29
Noucamp!

Thats exactly my point Noucamp.

We should really have that sort of 99% of people
at our club. Jones might have done what is best for him no doubt but how is that helping us as a club. We need to stop thinking from Jones point of view and think from the club’s perspective.


22.) 23 Jun 2022 10:02:01
Way to go with the character assassination and saying he is leeching off the club. I don't know Phil Jones but most of the ex players I know hated being injured and found that the hardest thing.

They are not playing and fear the replacement would knock them out of the squad. I would assume in that position I would sign a new contract to give me an opportunity to fight for my place back. Its not even as simple as going somewhere else to play as he would have considered his kids, homelife etc.

I know ex players who rejected moves with more money as the impact on family, schooling were too great so it is not as simple as saying he had offers so is a leech cause he did not take them. Personally I don't blame him at all and you may be blasting someone who is just determined to still have a career and try and succeed at utd.


23.) 23 Jun 2022 22:00:45
Bookedredmole!

You must be kidding.

It is not character assassination, it is the truth. I can't believe people are defending one of the worst player to ever play for us. No wonder this club is rotten to core now.

For your info, Jones has rejected multiple contracts from other clubs where he could have played regular football. The reason he rejected them is because he does not want to leave his comfort zone. I mean he is getting paid for not doing anything. A passionate footballer would take a paycut and try to move to a place where he could play the beautiful game again.

He has earned around 20 million pound in past few years without contributing anything at all. That is called leeching. If you love this club, how can u accept people like him? I guess him not playing recently has erased the old memories of his horrible football and maybe one wolves game as raised his prestige among the fans. Unbelievable.


24.) 24 Jun 2022 08:09:03
Srestha I was not joking. If you know Phil Jones and he has said or intimated to you he does not want to leave his comfort zone then fair play I accept you are right.

If you do not know him then who are you to make these comments about someone's character as if they were clear facts. If you are making out your thoughts are the truth without any info and slating someone that is character assassination in my book.

You keep saying about him not playing has erased the memory of his football but my issue was you saying his leeching. I tend to agree we need a better defender but that is not what I refer to in my response.

You are right players sometimes move for game time but there are also lots of players who turn down opportunity to stay and fight for their place back. You seem to know the truth as you say so if you know him well enough I accept your thoughts.

I just personally feel that Phil Jones (or any player) would have a lot to consider around his personal life/ family before making a move and should consider those above the wants of some utd fan only considering their own perspective. Should he have got an extension, possibly not but I understand him signing it to fight for his place back.

If you do not know him and are just making up things that sound right in your head without facts then top bolloxology to you.

Unbelievable.


 

 

12 May 2022 00:32:33
Can any Ed shed any lights on De Jong rumour please?

Srestha

{Ed002's Note - Frenkie de Jong (CM) Tolisso upgrade for Bayern Munich but Barcelona don't want to sell although if a significant offer (perhaps €90M) were made their financial situation would mean they would have to consider it. During discussions between Barcelona and Chelsea, options for a number of players were discussed but Chelsea do not again want protracted negotiations which led nowhere over another player last summer - they may make a take it or leave it offer including a player or perhaps two. Manchester City may provide another solution using Laporte as part of the deal - and don't be surprised if PSG or Manchester United switch their attention to him but both have preferred targets. I would doubt he will move.}


1.) 12 May 2022 13:24:20
Hi Ed002,

Thanks as always for detailed information!

I know you've kindly provided information about Defensive Midfielders in the past but it increasingly looks likely (if rumours are to be believed! ) that United's list of options are dwindling rapidly, mainly because of no CL next year:

Rice (too expensive this year and no CL)

Phillips (doesn't seem keen because of Leeds rivallry)

Tchouemeni (Seems off elsewhere - and no CL)

De Jong (Doesn't seem keen without CL football)

Bissouma (no wants seems to want to take him whilst off-field issues ongoing)

Laimer (not really DM and seems off to Bayern)

Kamara (seems off to Athletico)

Thus doesn't really seem to leave us with much choice if we're being realistic about not being able to persuade any of them to come! Maybe just Palhinha now!

Don't suppose you'd mind giving us an update on potential DM players - and who we might be able to rule out - and if United have shown any interest in any new targets, such as Ibrahim Sangare (PSV) or Maxence Caqueret of Lyon?

(And does ETH have a preferred choice at all, maybe different from the club targets? )

Thus apologies for panicked tone but would be most grateful for any update if there is one; if not, will just look back at previous MF update and hope we can maybe persuade one of them to join!

Many thanks as always for any info you feel able to share.

{Ed002's Note - Ibrahim Sangare is heading elsewhere and the club have shown no interest. Maxence Caqueret - there have been discussions with another club but I think a new contract is likely. There is interest in Palhinha, Konrad Laimer, Rice, Bissouma and Phillips but not being in the Champions League could impact any move. There have been approaches and discussions with Monaco over Tchouemeni, but not involving Manchester United. I am not aware of any approach for De Jong. Amadou Haidara is of interest to RR still, but there is interest from elsewhere. The club only ever spoke to the agent of Kamara, never the club.}


2.) 12 May 2022 13:27:41
Hi Ed002,
Is Amadou Haidara still a target for United?

{Ed002's Note - For RR.}


3.) 12 May 2022 14:20:19
Thank you so much for the detailed update - really really appreciated, thank you.

{Ed002's Note - You are welcome.}


4.) 12 May 2022 14:27:35
So essentially we are once again trying to convince a player who doesn't want to join us to join us. Seems like a good plan.


5.) 12 May 2022 15:13:03
If we end up with De Jong it is possible we don't go after a true holding midfielder which reading about EtH style would seem to fit.
For me Kamara on a free would be good or Laimar who has been likened to Kante with his workrate etc whilst also being good on the ball.


6.) 12 May 2022 18:18:36
I don't want us to sign anybody who needs convincing, we might be a mess at the minute but with the right players and some hard work on the training pitch we will be back in the cl in 23/ 24.


7.) 13 May 2022 13:46:42
Danny eth needed convincing are you happy with him?


8.) 13 May 2022 14:02:31
Danny, any top player will need convincing to join us atm.

If you are a player with top clubs with realistic chances of winning titles why would you turn them down for a side that hasn't really challenged for a league title in the last decade?


9.) 13 May 2022 15:37:48
In truth you should have to convince any player. They should have a list of questions about their role, their fit, the plan for the future and where you see them in that plan.

I would be more worried about a player who didn't need convincing that everything was in place than one who did.


10.) 13 May 2022 22:19:51
Ken I'm sure he needed a bit of convincing than a player would. The reason being our treatment of former managers. Shappy I'm not so sure any top player needs convincing to go to a big club, whether or not they are winning trophies or in the cl. if they do then they aren't right for the club or ther for the right reasons. the name on the front of the shirt will always be bigger than the name on the back.


11.) 13 May 2022 22:46:27
Danny if you're a top player and one or two of Barcelona, Real Madrid, Bayern Munich, PSG, Juventus, Chelsea, City or Liverpool are interested in signing you. Then I'm sure they will need a lot of convincing to move to United.


12.) 13 May 2022 23:35:30
They play for money, that's (almost) all the convincing they need.
None of them play for the love of the club. I thought academy players might be different, but i'm not so sure anymore.


13.) 16 May 2022 10:04:34
Nonsense Danny. Players are not waiting for united or any club to come in for them. When they get an offer they need convicing it's the right move for them and their family no different to you or me.


 

 

10 Aug 2019 09:34:14
I have been very negative about this transfer window. Maybe because of all the hype about how this window would be the most important.

Well! The window was not good enough but i am still excited about the season. Although i think we are putting too much serious pressure on youth and being very reliant on them, i hope they come out very strong and give their best performance. I hope we suffer minor to no injuries as we are very light. It would be great.

If Ole is able to instil his attacking, high pressing game play and this team does not become a victim of fatigue then we may well finish inside the top 4.

Hoping all the best for the new season and hoping for a good performance and a win tomorrow.

Srestha

1.) 10 Aug 2019 10:22:14
That's better stressda😂😂😂.


2.) 10 Aug 2019 10:48:22
I think we will start well and positively but will fade later in the season. Everyone is looking to Greenwood as the potential star, however, I wonder if Garner maybe the one who also surprises us in midfield.


3.) 10 Aug 2019 11:10:45
Hes a good little player red man. Would also be nice to see him getting game time. We will need extra bodies in there.


4.) 10 Aug 2019 11:59:00
I think Garner, whilst not maybe providing the excitement of an attacker like Greenwood, might be the one who makes it to the very top. Very mature player, reads the game well, and has an eye for goal. I rarely hype up any young players - got my fingers burnt with Januzaj - but I think Garner is the real deal. With Greenwood and Gomes not far behind.


5.) 10 Aug 2019 12:45:50
Much better stresser 😂 just take each game as it comes, you will drive yourself insane worrying about something you can’t control. Like when I bury my head in the sand while my Mrs is out shopping with the “joint account” card.


6.) 10 Aug 2019 12:56:29
Maybe Ole is going to give some youngsters game time, which is why players like Matic and Young will be invaluable squad members. I’d we do play Greenwood, Chong, Gomes, Garner, we need some wise old heads to help them adapt.


7.) 10 Aug 2019 13:52:42
Yeah I think we all got wound up with the deadline. We are light in midfield and possibly upfront. Its a lot of pressure to put on a load of players who are teens an in the early 20s. We're all anxious. All we can do is get on with it.


8.) 10 Aug 2019 15:35:16
As well as Garner, I've been impressed with Ethan Galbraith in the under 23's but maybe one to come through next year.


9.) 10 Aug 2019 18:08:36
Nou I have greenwood, garner then Gomes. But what a trio whatever you put it.


10.) 10 Aug 2019 19:49:03
Young players need time and games, and I hope a couple of them get it .
Greenwood and gomes would be my shout.
The thing is the first time we lose a game the site will go in to melt down shouting for x y z .
Ole, the team the youngster I don't think can really judge until after xmas. But unfortunately they will get judged on a game by game basis.


11.) 10 Aug 2019 22:47:32
That's what I'm worried about jred. I just hope the young lads are strong enough to handle it.


12.) 10 Aug 2019 23:18:39
Angel
It's not just the young lads on the site the older ones are just as bad ;)


13.) 10 Aug 2019 23:32:09
Let's hope they don't start calling for the head of Manager like they did the last one eh ;)


14.) 11 Aug 2019 01:01:07
If you were a young lad playing your first games for your dream club United would you be listening to what’s said on social media or listening to coaches and teammates?

I know what I’d be doing.


15.) 11 Aug 2019 04:45:27
Angle Redman already wants him sacked .
I'm sure most will give him time tho.


16.) 11 Aug 2019 07:46:04
Give him time, there will be plenty more. just like the last one.


17.) 11 Aug 2019 09:22:47
Lots of times people throw double standards around, yet at the same time suggest giving OGS more time than the last three managers. Why is that? The emotional sentimentality of a playing legend being in charge. But that isn’t double standards of course, its just because they love Ole. He is a legend to me, but a playing legend who has done nothing to deserve the managerial position. I doubt they would have appointed him if they had waited to the end of the season and the relegation form that was on display. He should be judged the same as the other managers were.

Today, I support the team as I always have, wish I could be there like I was for decades but I can’t. Get behind the team, wear green and gold and what will be will be, like we sang in 77.


18.) 11 Aug 2019 09:58:14
Or maybe more fans have woken up to the real problems at the club and realised that most if it isn't down to the managers.


19.) 11 Aug 2019 10:12:47
Mort

My position on the strategic issues with the owners, the debt, the structure of the club has been aired on here regularly. The lack of success isn’t just down to the manager, we had one of the best in Mourinho yet they didn’t support him (and it cost us £20m more to sign Maguire a year later) and if he couldn’t succeed it tells you something is inherently wrong. However, that doesn’t make the present manager the right one. However he is in place so we support the team and get on with it.


20.) 11 Aug 2019 11:52:31
Give him more time than the last three managers? Who's been saying that? I think the general consensus is, like with all managers, a bare minimum of two transfer windows at the very least is required. Haven't seen anyone say he deserves more than Jose got. But I have seen a couple on here want him gone before a ball was kicked.


21.) 11 Aug 2019 12:50:40
Who said give him more time? But shouting for him to be sacked already seems a bit harsh.


22.) 11 Aug 2019 14:08:53
Managers have not been the biggest issue for the last 6 years.


23.) 11 Aug 2019 15:08:41
Ken

The biggest issue at the club was the leveraged buy out. Then the lack of any strategy or plan to replace SAF.


24.) 11 Aug 2019 18:34:28
Manager looks a breath of fresh air,


 

 

09 Aug 2019 18:20:04
So according to Ole, signing a forward would have blocked Greenwood.

Well! Then why were the team in continuous negotiation for Dybala and Mandzukic?

Another lame excuse for failed window. I mean which team looking to improve on climb the table sells their best proven goal scorer, second best and most hardworking midfielder and replaces with no one.

Strengthening defence does not mean we can ignore the ongoing attack problem.

Srestha

1.) 09 Aug 2019 18:50:08
You’re too late Stressha, all of these posts have been done now.

Roll on Sunday!


2.) 09 Aug 2019 19:55:39
It would have been far better to see the manager come out and criticise the board and his bosses wouldn't it? Would have been ideal prep for Sunday to say the day after the transfer window has closed to say he's really not happy with the squad he has.

Undoubtedly things are hardly in perfect working order behind the scenes at United but some of the reactions to this transfer window have been laughable.


3.) 09 Aug 2019 22:42:46
You ever thought it may not be true that they were after these players.


4.) 09 Aug 2019 22:51:13
Sees tha were they in for these players?
Because you read it in the Daily Mail or on Sky sports?
Really?


5.) 10 Aug 2019 03:43:24
How about you guys ask Ed002. Ha?


6.) 10 Aug 2019 07:40:19
@Srestha. "I mean which team looking to improve on climb the table sells their best proven goal scorer".

I'd hazard a guess the team that got fed up with a player who is stacking on the lard on a daily basis and has to be separated from colleagues being aggressive itching for a fight and finally fronting up to M Phelan after being late for a pre season match and missing the bus. The last incident OGS saw as the final straw. Conte is no push over and it will be interesting to see how long it is before lardy bloke falls out with him.


7.) 10 Aug 2019 08:00:34
Even the stories suggested Juventus offered those players to us, not the other way round. Plus Dybala would have likely played as the 10, not the main striker. Making a meal from nothing. I'm glad Greenwood is getting a look in, hopefully Chong, Tuanzebe and Gomes get a few games too.


8.) 10 Aug 2019 08:09:22
This is the diary of football as there's so many ways to interpret the game. However I’m not sure Lukaku was the best at anything and I’m delighted he’s gone as he was clearly causing trouble.


9.) 10 Aug 2019 11:45:02
He was the best at scoring goals at the club, highest scoring attacker both seasons he played.

We have been to, d that the club was looking to replace him, but were more concerned with getting an extra few million than giving themselves enough time to do it.

Now the manager is putting pressure on a 17 year old with basically no experience at the top level by claiming he’s the replacement.


 

 

 

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04 Mar 2024 04:57:36
That's it. I am done with Rashford now. The guy needs to get sold.

Except the goal today, the guy did next to nothing. He looked really scared to go one on one against Walker. All the time he had to run against walker, he just tried to find a reason to fall down or give up. The first Foden goal could easily have been a foul as it could have gone eitherway, but Rashford, despite having clearly a lot of space to run to and do something, got scared and chose to dive on minimal contact.

This team needs to get ripped apart and get rebuilt. Is ETH still the guy? I am unsure. I can clearly see how much his post match interviews have changed from last year. Last year, I enjoyed his interviews as he was honest, took his stand, and was good at answering tricky questions. This year, he just sounds like he is scared and trying the defend even the stupidest things. Looks like he is scared of getting sacked and trying to make things look like its not as bad even though it is.

This transfer window should be biggest so far. If it was to me, i would get rid of all of these players:

Rashford: 80m. Despite being wildly unconsistent, i believe he will still guarantee a good transfer fee in this crazy transfer market
Antony: 25m- Cut the loss
Sancho: 40m
Maguire: 25m
Mctominay: 25m
Shaw: 40m- Too injury prone
Casemiro: 40m? hopefully saudi.

That is total of 275m. With maybe 200m of our existing transfer kitty, that is plenty of money to buy a well scouted and well researched player who is not going to cost a lot. Even if we average 40m for one player, we can easily buy 10 players, first team as well as squad players.

I know it sounds too easy and is not how world works but it does seem possible if we have a good recruitment team who know what kind of players to buy and where to buy. Ignore bunch of overpaid players and hyped players. Go for players who are good but just about to step to their best years. Similar to what Klopp is doing at Liverpool signing Szoboslai, Endo, Diaz, Jota. Clearly didn't spend huge money but are clearly getting job done.

Srestha

1.) 04 Mar 2024 06:50:00
“The first Foden goal could easily have been a foul”

It was in no way, shape or form a foul. If you’re giving a free kick for that, the game becomes a non-contact support.

Rashford was scared of Walker.


2.) 04 Mar 2024 08:14:13
1000% not a foul. Strange decision to go down with so much space ahead of you @wazza.


3.) 04 Mar 2024 09:18:19
Manger and some players are cowards.
Eth is also deluded his post match comments are simply from a man who is drawing. He is so far removed from reality just like ole was he is morphing into ole.


4.) 04 Mar 2024 09:21:25
Srestha.
Our manager would get nowhere with those players Liverpool have. They wouldn't want to play for him.


5.) 04 Mar 2024 09:26:26
I agree about the foul guys. Not a genuine foul but we can't lie saying we have never seen it given. Rashford was trying to do exactly that, dive in minimal contact as it is often given. The guy could have done much better but got scared of Walker. Does not deserve to be in the bench let alone in the first XI.


6.) 04 Mar 2024 09:33:10
As an outsider looking in I’d be somewhat surprised if you got that big of a fee for Rashford, mainly because of A) his wages would put off majority of English teams (think only city or Chelsea would pay his wages and similar with Maguire last summer can’t seem him taking wage cut) Chelsea mayyy be daft enough. B) outside of England; from what eds / media have said Real are trying to make room for Mpabbe in wage structure, PSG may but, apologies if slightly xenophobic, would they see an English player as mbappe replacement that fans would take to and can’t see Rashford accepting Saudi league.

Only players that would catch a huge fee would be:

Hojlund (who a bit like Nunez for us was a huge fee others question but personally one of your best signing in years and looks like someone you build your attack around) . swap him and Rashford for city’s first goal and he doesn’t go down. Instead fights to keep play going or least try take on walker to get through on goal. Garnacho, Martinez, Mainoo or Fernandez - would only be tempted with Fernandez but mainly as lfc fan he just gets me goat and his attitude / tendency to try audacious too often. Saying that never realised but RH, LM, KM looks like a young spine could build an outstanding team around, with garnacho and Fernandez adding creativity / outlet for attacks.

Sorry for rather verbose reply - also onana has improved but not top tier ( eg alison or courtois save that second goal at near post and doesn’t have Edersons ability to play out) . But also not sure who could realistically get to improve on a solid keeper - so maybe no 2 who can push him like at arsenal.


7.) 04 Mar 2024 10:08:50
Imagine Rooney for example in the same situation.


 

 

19 Aug 2022 01:13:22
I don't understand why Glazers are so desperate to keep hold of manchester united.

They are hated by almost all the man united fans. They don't really get to keep a lot of profit as well. I mean 12 million a year in dividend is nothing compared to the net worth of the football club. I am sure they will get much more in return if they invest in other businesses.

They need to keep shelling out lot of money to build the team and build the stadium.

It is not a comfortable business to run. Selling would give them lot of money and potentially lot of investment opportunity if they decide to do something. And the best part, they won't be so hated figure anymore.

Unless there is a lot of things i am missing. I don't really understand it.

Srestha

1.) 19 Aug 2022 04:14:48
Why would you sell your cash cow?
Also if the share prices go up I assume they benefit as well.


2.) 19 Aug 2022 05:47:17
The cash is not technically coming is it? The way things are going the share prices can only go down.

{Ed014's Note - the way you’re describing it who would want to buy it?

Isn’t it just a huge gamble paying out a large fee to buy it, followed by large sums of investment hoping that the whole thing can be turned around and the club start winning things.

The odds on you doing a Leeds or returning to past glories must be pretty similar?


3.) 19 Aug 2022 06:27:56
Srestha, is that a joke! They don’t have to put their hand in their pocket for anything, never have never will! If they spend money on stadium or a player it’s certainly not money out of their pocket .


4.) 19 Aug 2022 08:41:11
Just a view. The glazers don’t have any need to live off income from united lol. They are a very wealthy family with massive real estate holdings and lots of other stuff.

They don’t look at mu as a holding to help pay the bills. They are 4x to 6x on an investment that if you go by the trend what major sports franchises are trending and going for will continue to appreciate.

It will take a serious number to get them to sell. Patient capital works that way. We are up there with the cowboys. Real madrid, yankees, lakers as far as a brand but with bigger global reach.


5.) 19 Aug 2022 07:01:19
Ed!

There are plenty of people who want to buy the club. There definitely are people who want to buy it not to make it money earning machine but to create a legacy with it. Abramovich did it, the city owners as well. They may surely reap benefit as well.

It is a large gamble but you need to be confident to hire right people for right position and get the best out of the club. The glazers look hugely incompetent on that regard and are clueless.


Chris!
Not a joke. The are not spending any money from their own pocket which might be good for them but the amount of hate they are receiving from all over the place is not a good thing for them as well.
Things can only get worse from here as the protest is gathering momentum and people are not resting. They bought the club for 600mil with furthr 500m debt. Selling now would gave them huge profit and give them peace of mind from constant negativity and hate and lot of threats as well.

{Ed014's Note - wanting to buy a club and actually doing it are two very different things mate.


 

 

17 Aug 2022 02:57:03
Elon musk saying he will be buying Manchester United.

Cant see him being serious though.

Srestha

{Ed077's Note - PSA: I've posted all the other post regarding Musk to the discussion pages.


1.) 17 Aug 2022 08:24:38
He’s confirmed it was just a gag. Which fits with all the other aloof comments he makes.


2.) 17 Aug 2022 10:49:46
Did people genuinely believe it? God people are desperate aren’t they.


3.) 17 Aug 2022 14:41:20
Yes they are GDS2. Aren’t you?


4.) 17 Aug 2022 14:41:48
Sir John Ratcliffe will be the man, let's hope that one day in the next 10 years, this will happen!


5.) 17 Aug 2022 17:18:31
Not desperate enough to believe that tweet it seems no.


6.) 17 Aug 2022 19:33:58
The problem for a businessman buying United is thatvits going to require a massive investment to pull us up to scratch, training ground academy and OT all need serious investment. The womens team does as well to get to the level of other clubs.

Then there is the small matter of the team needing sorting.

The price you'll have to pay to prise it out of the Glazers grubby little fingers is prohibitive when considered eith the amount of work that needs doing.


 

 

02 Aug 2022 02:11:16
Watching Lisandro Martinez kind of scared me yesterday.

Not because he is not a good defender but because he looked so little on the field. There was time when he and Fred were together and Fred looked like a giant in front of him.

He did well considering his height during his time at Ajax but premier league is a different beast. Hopefully he will not let his lack of height be an issue.

Srestha

1.) 02 Aug 2022 06:29:48
His height might be an issue in some scenarios but his positioning is good and he is a very aggressive defender. We may we concede a couple of goals this season that we wouldn't if he was 6ft 3, however, if he's playing ahead of Maguire and Lindelof he will likely save us a few on his positioning and aggression alone.

Add to that his ability on the ball which is excellent. In a situation where most CB's would kick it out of the park or back to the goalkeeper can turn into Martinez turning away from an attacker and passing forward, leading to a United attack.

Plenty of hypotheticals in there but he already has the look of a good player in my opinion and one that United fans will love due to his aggression and leadership.


2.) 02 Aug 2022 07:40:42
He’s already our best centre half, for me.


3.) 02 Aug 2022 07:56:48
Every single defender has a weakness, an area of their game where they either make mistakes or cannot match a physical trait of an attacker.

Players who are 6'5 tend to be good in the air, if you're up against a tall CB you probably don't try and beat them in the air.

However, tall CB's can struggle with mobility. Especially quick turns and acceleration, with their bulkier bodies being slower to manoeuvre and their long legs taking more strides to get up to speed.

Just look at Maguire as the opposite to Martinez, tall, good in the air, slow, cumbersome.

Martinez might lose a few headers this season, he will however save us goals with his aggression, mobility, speed, his reading of the game and his positioning.

While he'll also massively contribute to our ability to control and dictate games with his on the ball ability and his press resistance.

It'll most likely be a case of him saving us 12 goals a season at least, while maybe costing us 3-4 goals from losing headers. I'd be more than happy to take a bet that we concede far less than the 57 goals we conceded last season this season with Martinez as a consistent starter.


4.) 02 Aug 2022 08:03:04
Wow shappy it never ceases to amaze me how you flip flop. Please refer yourself to your post about him being too small you posted when we were 1st linked with him.


5.) 02 Aug 2022 08:08:37
Let's wait before he actually plays a few games.
For me looked very composed on the ball, and easily beat the press. He didn't need 2 seconds to think of a pass. Think he controlled one difficult ball very well.
Also even if he fails at CB, he can still play LB and DM.
Yes the height is certainly an issue so ETH could decide to not play him against super physical very tall forwards. Squad rotation is a thing.
Agree with downsie, he looks our best CB.


6.) 02 Aug 2022 09:13:04
Baresi was 5’ 9.”.


7.) 02 Aug 2022 09:42:20
was thinking the same thing ken.


8.) 02 Aug 2022 09:46:46
It is an odd one but we have just seen Alaba win a CL playing CB for Madrid, not exactly a giant.

I think his ability to play a high line and defend proactively on the halfway line outweighs his height problem.


9.) 02 Aug 2022 09:57:54
I only heard the last few games on radio, but all the pundits were laughing at how awful Maguire was in the air for such a tall player.


10.) 02 Aug 2022 11:17:16
Give the lad a chance. Some of the best players in the air were not tall.

Prime example, Tim Cahill. It is all about aggression and timing.


11.) 02 Aug 2022 11:34:30
Ken, how have I flip flopped? I said when we were first linked I said he might struggle in aerial duels in the EPL.

Am I saying the opposite now? No. In fact I'm still saying that he'll probably lose more headers than he'll win.

That seems pretty consistent to me.

In this post I have just expanded by saying about the positives he will also bring rather than just the concern about his ability to win headers.


12.) 02 Aug 2022 11:58:36
Cannavaro was probably shorter. He wasn't too shoddy. If he is aggressive and clever then he will find a way to compensate.


13.) 02 Aug 2022 12:00:20
I don't know much about him but he apparently won 69% of his aerial duels last year which is not too shabby (unless the Dutch league has a large percentage of shorter players) . Like most I have only seen him in the recent friendly but he looked composed on the ball and his positioning was good. Perhaps being in the right place negates some of his lack of height or perhaps he has a good leap on him. We are sure to find out very shortly but I am not overly concerned currently.


14.) 02 Aug 2022 12:32:52
We’ve got Centre backs who are 6ft plus and we’ve been abysmal at the back and equally crap when attacking from corners for the past 2-3 years.
Give him a chance before we start bashing his ‘deficiencies’.
He looks like a cool customer, who reads the game well, positioning is sound and can win a tackle. An upgrade on our current mob.


15.) 02 Aug 2022 13:26:16
I am okay with the height as i feel that the way EtH will play will rely less on this and more on his other attributes.
Yes he will get caught out at times and may result in a goal but we will have to remind ourselves of the whole player.


16.) 02 Aug 2022 13:29:13
Agree 2 toms.


17.) 02 Aug 2022 23:30:58
Who said Maquire is good in the air? Most of the time I see Maguire try and head it as far as he possibly can. rather than cushioning it to a team mate. as well as playing a pass, admiring it then not moving at all to help his teammate.


 

 

28 Jun 2022 04:42:46
Pereira to Fulham is interesting.

I think he should try to get contract extension from Man United and stay here as long as possible. I mean why to go to other place and play and get paid less when you can stay here not playing at all and get paid significantly more.

We all would have done the same thing.
No matter how it affects the club, we should not blame Pereira if he does that.
After all, it would be the club's fault not his.

Jones did the right thing for himself and Pereira should follow his footsteps.

Maybe 5 years later, Pereira can give a great performance against one small team and all the fans will forget about his previous horrible time.

Srestha

1.) 28 Jun 2022 05:55:41
Even though you're being sarcastic, I find this in very bad taste.
He's on very low wages, he's tried to play for us, gone out on loan and hasn't really been consistent.
I have not heard him go to the press and degrade the club.
Early career he did have some good games with the Brazil u21s.
Hasn't really kicked on.
He's got an offer, which he's free to take time and decide.
Moving permanently will be best for him, and there's a player there somewhere not sure if he will realise his potential.


2.) 28 Jun 2022 08:10:03
Look everyone srestha did a funny one??.


3.) 28 Jun 2022 08:28:07
Rohanarora8 I am not sure if you have seen the post about Phil Jones on the rumours site but this is a result of that thread. I don't think srestha seems too pleased that people called him out on what he was saying or called his views naive and is trying to make point.


4.) 28 Jun 2022 08:39:40
I know you're being sarcastic, but I'm actually glad the club gave Jones a new deal when they did even given his injury history.

All you ever hear from fans is that players should treat the club better, be more respectful, give more to the club, work harder etc.

While with their next breath will say the club should bomb out this player or that player. That they should force players to leave, that they shouldn't give players a new deals if they aren't performing, they should be on lower wages, etc.

In my mind if you want the players to give their all and be respectful to the club then the club needs to match that with the players. You can't just have a one way relationship where one party does all the giving and the other party does all the taking.


5.) 28 Jun 2022 11:19:31
Shappy do you mean you can't have it like most companies treat their staff or the government treat the electorate every year apart from election year?

But yea you are right the club did the right thing negotiating new contracts for PJ and others.


6.) 28 Jun 2022 12:30:30
Did you read what you wrote shappy? Are u seriously using that kind of analogy? I am absolutley shocked about your happiness for a player getting a new contract and getting paid massive wages without having to do anything.

“All you ever hear from fans is that players should treat the club better, be more respectful, give more to the club, work harder etc”

Can you please tell me when Jones has done all of it?

“While with their next breath will say the club should bomb out this player or that player. That they should force players to leave, that they shouldn't give players a new deals if they aren't performing, they should be on lower wages, etc”

Well that is how a successful club is run. Get the best players, reward the player who contributes to the club’s success and get rid of the players who is not good enough to make the club successful. That goes same for any company.

The one way relationship you are talking about is the service and huge money the club is giving to Jones without getting anything back.

If paying all mediocre players who are not good enough just to show them respect is what u want then i am afraid u want the club to fail. With that logic we should award new contract to Periera, AWB, bailly, martial, telles and should not have let mata, matic go. Should have awarded all this players long term contract as a sign of respect and forget about winning league and trophies. Let us be a club which rewards mediocrity and has no hunger for success.


7.) 28 Jun 2022 13:28:09
I agree srestha.
He did not Warnford a new contract at the time. It was adumb move to give him one.
It's not the clubs job to look after employees that don't perform and extend their contrast that is bad decision making and in this case its proven to be a bad decision.


8.) 28 Jun 2022 15:21:49
I got a bite ?.


9.) 28 Jun 2022 22:42:03
Ken

Totally agree with you. I am quite shocked to see how many posters here disagree with us. For them it is the club's job to keep employee happy who never lift a finger or do any work and yet they preach about the club winning trophies.

Shappy.

A bite you can say or a reality check Shappy. Jones and his type of players are the ones this club desperately needs to get rid off and avoid signing. We need hungry, highest quality players who will fight for the club and can get those glory days back. We can't afford to act as a charity club offering huge wages to mediocre players who do not care about anything else except money in their bank.


 

 

 

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23 Jun 2022 22:00:45
Bookedredmole!

You must be kidding.

It is not character assassination, it is the truth. I can't believe people are defending one of the worst player to ever play for us. No wonder this club is rotten to core now.

For your info, Jones has rejected multiple contracts from other clubs where he could have played regular football. The reason he rejected them is because he does not want to leave his comfort zone. I mean he is getting paid for not doing anything. A passionate footballer would take a paycut and try to move to a place where he could play the beautiful game again.

He has earned around 20 million pound in past few years without contributing anything at all. That is called leeching. If you love this club, how can u accept people like him? I guess him not playing recently has erased the old memories of his horrible football and maybe one wolves game as raised his prestige among the fans. Unbelievable.

Srestha

 

 

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23 Jun 2022 02:41:29
Noucamp!

Thats exactly my point Noucamp.

We should really have that sort of 99% of people
at our club. Jones might have done what is best for him no doubt but how is that helping us as a club. We need to stop thinking from Jones point of view and think from the club’s perspective.

Srestha

 

 

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22 Jun 2022 11:02:48
Shappy!

Firstly, we rarely had good defenders that could carry Vidic and Ferdinand’s legacy. Jones and smalling started because they were the best among the bad bunch of defenders so it is not really a convincing point.

Second, you mentioned about his injury record which is even frustrating because u can't even have him at bench if for some reason we needed him. He is a poor defender with absolutely horrible injury record which us the reason why he should have been let go a long time ago.

I am really surprised how easily you said that he gives his 100%. I guess it is because you forgot all the horrible defending we saw from him few years back and there was clear lack of effort from his side as well.

Wolves game last season does not erase all the horrible games he had. If one good game from him justifies him earning millions of pounds that otherwise could have been properly invested, then i am not sure what to say to that.

Further, his attitude clearly does not strike as someone who wants to play football regularly. He has rejected multiple contracts from various clubs despite knowing that he will play next to nothing here.

You did raise good point though ” why choose to take a pay cut to sit in a smaller physio room at another club. ”. It is the exact reason i don't want him and nor anyone should. Why would u want a player spending all his time in a physio room and leeching the funds that we as a fans have paid.

He had bags of potential to be one of the best defenders but wasted it. And it is not only down to injury but also his desire to work for it.

People really have a short memory. If Jones had played next 10 games after the wolves game then i am pretty sure he would have horrible 7 games (if somehow he wasnt injured again) .

It happened a lot before and because he is not playing anymore, i believe fans have already forgotten about how poor of a defender he was.

I am pretty sure if let's say Maguire get injured for a whole year, people will soon forget how horrible he was because there will be another regular poor performer who will be getting the blame.

Srestha

 

 

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22 Jun 2022 10:46:51
Noucamp!

Looks like u missed my point. I am blaming the club for giving him the contract but that does not mean that Jones is blameless.

The amount of money he is earning as a lumpsum could have been used for better use. As for a football player who usually has 15 years of career, i have seen a lot of player who take a paycut to play the game they love.

Jones isn't that player and should not be anywhere near this club.

Srestha

 

 

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22 Jun 2022 06:49:44
OakBark

If you are that sort of employee than the company shouldn't really want you. Should it?

Jones might not be wrong on his part taking the deal and earning without playing. But, as a fan of this club, we should not be here sitting accepting that. It is nowhere acceptable.

GDS, Ken

You have thought from Jones point of view but how about trying to think from fans view. We as a club should not do it. Yes! We did lot of wrong things but that does not mean it should continue.

What sort of footballer do you want? The one who wants to play and contribute and earn? or the one who doesn't care if he plays or not but only cares about money?

I know what kind of players i want at my club but not sure about you. Defending Phil Jones is laughable for someone who wants the club to get back to its best.

Srestha

 

 

 

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04 Mar 2024 09:26:26
I agree about the foul guys. Not a genuine foul but we can't lie saying we have never seen it given. Rashford was trying to do exactly that, dive in minimal contact as it is often given. The guy could have done much better but got scared of Walker. Does not deserve to be in the bench let alone in the first XI.

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19 Aug 2022 07:01:19
Ed!

There are plenty of people who want to buy the club. There definitely are people who want to buy it not to make it money earning machine but to create a legacy with it. Abramovich did it, the city owners as well. They may surely reap benefit as well.

It is a large gamble but you need to be confident to hire right people for right position and get the best out of the club. The glazers look hugely incompetent on that regard and are clueless.


Chris!
Not a joke. The are not spending any money from their own pocket which might be good for them but the amount of hate they are receiving from all over the place is not a good thing for them as well.
Things can only get worse from here as the protest is gathering momentum and people are not resting. They bought the club for 600mil with furthr 500m debt. Selling now would gave them huge profit and give them peace of mind from constant negativity and hate and lot of threats as well.

Srestha

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19 Aug 2022 05:47:17
The cash is not technically coming is it? The way things are going the share prices can only go down.

Srestha

{Ed014's Note - the way you’re describing it who would want to buy it?

Isn’t it just a huge gamble paying out a large fee to buy it, followed by large sums of investment hoping that the whole thing can be turned around and the club start winning things.

The odds on you doing a Leeds or returning to past glories must be pretty similar?


 

 

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28 Jun 2022 22:42:03
Ken

Totally agree with you. I am quite shocked to see how many posters here disagree with us. For them it is the club's job to keep employee happy who never lift a finger or do any work and yet they preach about the club winning trophies.

Shappy.

A bite you can say or a reality check Shappy. Jones and his type of players are the ones this club desperately needs to get rid off and avoid signing. We need hungry, highest quality players who will fight for the club and can get those glory days back. We can't afford to act as a charity club offering huge wages to mediocre players who do not care about anything else except money in their bank.

Srestha

 

 

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28 Jun 2022 12:30:30
Did you read what you wrote shappy? Are u seriously using that kind of analogy? I am absolutley shocked about your happiness for a player getting a new contract and getting paid massive wages without having to do anything.

“All you ever hear from fans is that players should treat the club better, be more respectful, give more to the club, work harder etc”

Can you please tell me when Jones has done all of it?

“While with their next breath will say the club should bomb out this player or that player. That they should force players to leave, that they shouldn't give players a new deals if they aren't performing, they should be on lower wages, etc”

Well that is how a successful club is run. Get the best players, reward the player who contributes to the club’s success and get rid of the players who is not good enough to make the club successful. That goes same for any company.

The one way relationship you are talking about is the service and huge money the club is giving to Jones without getting anything back.

If paying all mediocre players who are not good enough just to show them respect is what u want then i am afraid u want the club to fail. With that logic we should award new contract to Periera, AWB, bailly, martial, telles and should not have let mata, matic go. Should have awarded all this players long term contract as a sign of respect and forget about winning league and trophies. Let us be a club which rewards mediocrity and has no hunger for success.

Srestha