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12 Aug 2015 15:38:51
Valencia based station claim that Otamendi has signed for Man United.They are also claiming that they've got tax based proof which really sounds to be concrete. Any idea eds?

{Ed001's Note - I don't know if anything has changed, but negotiations have been ongoing for a long time, so it would be about time!}


1.) 12 Aug 2015 17:00:21
Then it must be time ed. Thanks for your reply


2.) 12 Aug 2015 17:17:20
Ed001 you absolute legend. Thanks as always for the site and your straight talking, inoffensive, fair, honest responses to the majority of oats on this site.
Quick question for you from myself, what is/was it about the Otamendi situation that has caused so much hassle?
Cheers pal.

{Ed001's Note - it was the amount, a lot is down to them wanting you to pay not just the buyout clause but also the tax on the amount. This is quite a common issue when Spanish clubs sell to other clubs. It can quite often make the negotiations drag on as most buying clubs are not happy about paying that, for obvious reasons. Initially you offered under the buyout clause and they were holding out for the buyout and tax amount, hence the negotiations which have been off and on for a while.}


3.) 12 Aug 2015 17:43:36
Not sure if I'm right on this but I think it's because a buyout clause has to be bought out by the player himself, so we effectively need to give the transfer fee to Otamendi so that he can then buy himself out of the contract, and as we are giving him the money it is seen as income so it can be taxed.
Cheers for the info ed always look forward to your input


4.) 12 Aug 2015 22:11:07
Ed001 would this be a similar reason as to why it took us nearly a year to sign Herrera?

{Ed001's Note - yes. Hence why I wouldn't hold my breath on this one!}


5.) 13 Aug 2015 17:14:18
TV reporting that Utd have no interest in Otamendi. If(?) we believe them, no wonder Ed001 said 'don't hold your breath'.


 

 

03 Aug 2015 16:43:33
Several reports reporting that Pedro will be done as soon as tomorrow . How true is that ed?

{Ed004's Note - I don't think it will be done by tomorrow however I think there is a good chance he will be signed}


1.) 03 Aug 2015 19:14:12
Reports also saying we could be interested in pepe and we're hoping to get him and pedro in to finish off our transfer business. Be interesting to know what use all think of pepe ?


2.) 03 Aug 2015 19:36:37
I wondered when pepes name would come up! Certainly better than jones evans and smalling put together so why not


3.) 03 Aug 2015 19:41:26
I can't stand Phil Jones and Jonny Evans, but I would rather have them in my team than Pepe. I can not stand the guy. We don't need him in our team getting sent off or rolling around on the ground like he has been shot.

Otamendi, Garay, inigo Martinez, howedes, rudiger yes, Pepe, hell no!


4.) 03 Aug 2015 20:49:08
I totally agree huggy don't want him either but we definitely need someone our cbs are far too injury prone I'm surprised we haven't looked at inigo martinez would be a shrewd signing


5.) 03 Aug 2015 22:58:37
This is getting ridiculous now. Pepe is one of the best centre backs in the world with vast experience and you would all rather Jones, Evans, Rojo and Smalling?! i'm done


6.) 04 Aug 2015 05:41:43
No one wants Pepe? And you guys prefer the softies in our team? Goodness. Wonder why he starts so consistently all the time in one of the best line-ups in the world! I would love him here and prefer him to smack some opposition CFs time and again. Our team actual needs some tough jobs. Its gone too soft. How can one not want Pepe? Deary me.


7.) 04 Aug 2015 06:32:29
Pepe is a walking red card and a childish play actor. That's why people don't want him.


8.) 04 Aug 2015 08:34:30
Rafael was sold because he was said to be too "reckless". I wonder what LVG would make of Pepe

. you only need to look at Portugal's opening world cup 2014 game if you want an idea of why nobody wants him near our team.


9.) 04 Aug 2015 09:26:11
Probably the same people who didn't want Roy Keane because he used to kick people and get sent off a lot, he didn't do too badly.

You find when the 'horrible dirty player' is on your team you actually quite like him.


10.) 04 Aug 2015 09:55:31
Not a massive fan of Pepe and his antics but he'd improve our team significantly. GDS hits the nail on the head perfectly re: how easy it is to overlook and/or accept the personality flaws of your own players.


11.) 04 Aug 2015 10:14:15
Think Pepe would fit EPL very good and would be the no shit CB we need! His reputation isn't the best though, but still would do more good than bad!


12.) 04 Aug 2015 10:24:15
I would hate to see Pepe in a United shirt. Never forget that assault on Casquero. If you hate Suarez for biting you absolutely cannot like Pepe.


13.) 04 Aug 2015 11:58:05
not Pepe! Please no!


14.) 04 Aug 2015 12:09:05
GDS. I take your point but don't necessarily agree that Pepe can be that kind of player for united.


 

 

03 Aug 2015 16:38:57
What is going on with Victor Valdes?
A newspaper is reporting that his kit is removed from U21s dressing room and told that he is no longer in first team also. And also Herrera, Mata, DDG are not happy with the way LVG is handling their fellow spaniard. Is this really happening? . I seriously can see poison slowly spreading at Old Trafford . can't valdes just apologize to LVG or LVG is too proud to accept his apology(if he has offered one)
This is really turning out to be annoying


1.) 03 Aug 2015 17:30:56
Srestha
The key word here is 'reporting'


2.) 03 Aug 2015 17:51:11
well reportedly LVG came in last season and told DDG he was not convinced he was good enough and was never grand enough to apologize and admit DDG was pretty good.
And that's what was keeping DDG from signing the extension.

Hope it's all paper talk, but there seems to be some issue with LVG and Spaniards (Herrera, DDG, Valdes)


3.) 03 Aug 2015 18:11:27
Which would explain why he's trying to sign Pedro


4.) 03 Aug 2015 18:28:50
He has a problem with Spanish players, hence he wants to sign Sergio Ramos and Pedro.


5.) 03 Aug 2015 18:47:32
Funny thread!


6.) 03 Aug 2015 22:19:38
Maybe he just doesn't like players that don't appreciate being a Manchester United player regardless of nationality?


7.) 04 Aug 2015 06:33:46
The Valdes vs LvG thing is deeper than just his time at United. LvG gave Valdes a second chance, and a really kind one too, and Valdes let him down again. LvG is 100% right to cast him aside.

{Ed001's Note - how did Valdes let him down? This is simply because LVG doesn't think he is good enough, nothing to do with any falling out as such. LVG wants rid and is trying to push him out of the door, this is what he does and why he often ends up falling out with players, he is ruthless and players like to feel important. He treats them as little more than commodities to be chopped and changed as he feels fit. Nothing wrong with either viewpoint, it is just that when you put them together it leads to clashes like this.}


 

 

18 Jul 2015 14:01:34
Rumours floating around that we have two medicals booked this week with Sergio Romero one and other for a defender. Any truth in this ed001?
I don't really rate Romero as i never found him good and was really rubbish on the penalties of Copa America Final. If DDG stays this season then I don't think we should look at any replacement for Valdes. We have Lindegaard and Johnstone if DDG gets injured. How often Goalie get injured?? If DDG goes next season then we can buy one top goalie . Lloris for me

{Ed001's Note - I don't know mate, I have no idea regarding medicals sorry. If it is anyone though, due to the way negotiations were going, I would think it would have to be Otamendi. If there is one.}


1.) 18 Jul 2015 15:31:05
Thanks for the reply ed! :)


2.) 18 Jul 2015 15:11:46
Hi Ed, are we definitely negotiating for Otamendi? It's been talked about a lot in the media and even his agent, I only ask, because I saw a pretty reliable journalist earlier (James Ducker of the Times) saying we were not interested at all in Otamendi only last night, which obviously contradicts everything, so just wondering if you could clear it up for us all. Many thanks

{Ed001's Note - never heard of Ducker, who ever he is meant to be, but you are definitely in talks with Otamendi's club.}


3.) 19 Jul 2015 09:31:13
Ducker covers northern football for the Times but he seems to be in that modern breed of journalist who pick their rumours up from Twitter.


 

 

14 Jul 2015 10:06:35
Supposedly Otamendi is signed, then the protection our defence gets from our midfield would be mouth watering to watch. Schweinsteiger, Schneiderlin and Herrera both are excellent tacklers and have high defensive ability . Can't wait for the season to begin


 

 

 

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10 Aug 2018 16:07:27
Prediction time guys.

I know things haven't been going well but I think we should be beating leicester.

2-1 for me.


1.) 10 Aug 2018 16:25:07
3-0 to United.


2.) 10 Aug 2018 16:44:05
3-1 Leicester.


3.) 10 Aug 2018 17:16:29
6-0 first half Maguire own goal hat trick followed by a Pogba hat trick in a 15 minute cameo. Jose will then precede to moan about Luke Shaw in his press conference.


4.) 10 Aug 2018 17:23:01
Sanchez brace and 2 from midfield. 4-0.


5.) 10 Aug 2018 17:34:29
Wow Nathaniel.

That is one hell of a prediction.


6.) 10 Aug 2018 17:41:35
3-0 Sanchez brace, Mata with the other. Come on United!


7.) 10 Aug 2018 17:47:28
1-0 United. Sanchez to score. A performance that is not hugely convincing despite the win.


8.) 10 Aug 2018 17:51:35
Nathaniel, the reason why Jose will moan about Shaw is because that Maguire hattrick will be scored off 3 misplaced Shaw passes, should count as assists really.

{Ed001's Note - I was assuming it would be because Shaw's gut blocked his view of the goals....}


9.) 10 Aug 2018 17:52:16
2-0 Sanchez to score first.


10.) 10 Aug 2018 17:59:09
3-0 - is what it should be.

Not giving the bookies any of my money tonight though, far too risky. Who knows what we are going to look like - just glad to have it back.


11.) 10 Aug 2018 19:07:44
3 - 0, Mata and Alexis to shine, Rashford to score.


 

 

09 Nov 2017 14:52:12
After so many years, 3 different managers, hundreds of millions of pounds spent, we have only one decent crosser of the ball. And who is that? freaking Ashley young who rarely makes the team. It feels like groping my phone and hammering in the wall.
We need out and out wingers and full backs first.


1.) 09 Nov 2017 19:48:52
And he gets played left wing back 😂.


 

 

09 Nov 2017 10:10:20
Still frustated after the Chelsea game. I have been reading a lot of posts saying football is just a game.
Yes! it is. Comparing it to the problems we see around, it is nothing. But you can't deny that it has been a massive part of our life. Seeing our team win and play gives joy to our life.
Having said that, I feel like locking myself in a room for hours when we loose in humiliating manner. Yes the score was tight, but the way we played was abysmal. I really wish that we go for win in every game we play. Not just a win but stylish one. I could have understood our gameplay if we had nicked a win with our defensive approach. But our counterattack is useless. I was annoyed with our attackers for the whole night. Leicester playing defensive played wonderful counter attacking football. Even such attacking could have erased little bit of pain but we were plain boring with our front three having no idea where and when to play.
I can't see us winning the title especially, with city playing with such swag. Say that I am impatient but Jose really needs to step up and do something and make this team eager to fight and win every game.


1.) 09 Nov 2017 11:33:25
We have stepped up our game to a point - we would be top of the table if this was last season and that's with all our injuries and recent lack lustre performances (cant quite remember wxactly where we were this time last season bt i'm sure it wasnt first or second) .

But city have stepped up and had a start to a season that previously hasn't been achieved.


2.) 09 Nov 2017 12:08:40
If we continue our game style, I am sure we will be long way from the top and it won't matter how much you think we have stepped up from last season. It is not only improving upon oneself but beating others.


3.) 09 Nov 2017 12:18:02
Newcastle, Brighton and Watford next - needs to be 9 points. A brave man would think twice before putting money on that treble at the moment and that tells me all I need to know about progress (lack of) .

We had a very easy start to the season fixture wise. We need to lift it a gear to maintain CL hopes next season and a couple of gears to compete with City for the title. We have shown we are capable, just need to see some consistency and a bit more attacking intent.


 

 

02 Nov 2017 12:12:17
Spurs showing us again how a big team should be treated. NOT LESS THAN ANY TEAM. I would love my team to play against any big club with the ambition to win.
Last time we played against Real Madrid, I sensed complacency among our players, managers and even some of the fans. The players were not giving their all as it was like "Even if we loose, it would be against a top team". Even some fans lauded their wonderful team saying we lost against a champions league winner and it would be hard to win against them. Frankly, it is annoying to give up even before the match.
I hope that now we play to win against Chelsea. They are there for taking. If we have a go at them, we can easily win.


1.) 02 Nov 2017 12:23:21
When was that? I don’t remember that at all, we held our own and lost because of a joke of a red card if I remember rightly?


2.) 02 Nov 2017 12:39:17
I hear your main message which is about big game mentality. I agree that the tone is set by how you approach the game and that in recent times the balance has been wrong with not enough emphasis on trying to get at the other team.

Using your case in point, I hope Mourinho has learnt from the Liverpool game and he doesn't play so negatively, the main consequence of which was we lost belief and momentum.

The last time we played Madrid I seem to remember we were playing pretty well and it was shaping up to be a decent game until Nani was harshly sent off.


3.) 02 Nov 2017 13:06:11
Where was the swash buckling spurs against us last weekend.


4.) 02 Nov 2017 13:08:37
Super Cup.


5.) 02 Nov 2017 13:25:25
Quick question for everybody would you rather us attack Chelsea and play some pretty, attractive, tiki taka type football and lose or park the bus and win?!

For me I'd rather he parked the bus and we won 1-0 every time. I don't care if we scored with our only shot and only had 30% possession. I can also appreciate the beauty of a well organised, brilliant defensive performance as much as an attacking one.

We need to take these big games in isolation. We need to hang on to City's coat tails for dear life. A 1-0 win going into the international break no matter how it comes will feel much better than a defeat even if we did play like Brazil, or Barcelona or City 😂.


6.) 02 Nov 2017 13:49:44
Both danny lol
Btw, Poch getting all the headlines, if Jose had took spurs to OT and played like that he’sd get slaughtered.


7.) 02 Nov 2017 16:42:57
Did we lose to that Spurs side?


8.) 02 Nov 2017 17:43:47
Yawn I'm bored stiff of hearing how great everyone else is and how terrible we are.

This is the best worst side we've had in years long may our terrible performances continue.

2nd in the league and the bit I can't believe is we are ahead of Tottenham super spurs (having just beaten them) we are ahead of the hyper dynamic attacking force of Liverpool!

The only reason we are behind city is the fact they have been sent directly from asgard to retrieve odins greatest want . the premier league that is how demi-god city have built up the unassailable massive 5 point lead after 10 games.

We may as well all just chuck ourselves under our respective public transport source and be done with it 😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭.


9.) 02 Nov 2017 18:44:37
It's about limiting beliefs, if you think you are going to struggle then you are going to struggle. Sadly it doesn't work the other way (just because you think you will win doesn't mean you will) .

Mindset is very important and if the team is sent out to stifle and 'nick' a goal then it creates the wrong mind set. Chelsea look very dodgy right now so we should set up to exploit this and nail them.


10.) 02 Nov 2017 19:26:55
The way City are playing we will need to win the so called big games, and not just park the bus and hope to counter and nick a 1-0. I'm not saying all out attack, but we need to be positive and start the game as we mean to win.
This season draws against the so called big teams won't win us the league in my opinion.


11.) 02 Nov 2017 19:27:26
It's a double edge sword, on one side great time to play Chelsea on the other side a good result against United is just what Chelsea need .

United at home might just be the type of game conte needs to get them back on track .


12.) 02 Nov 2017 19:49:46
Dont care how we do it as long as we win.

Winning is the only answwer.


13.) 02 Nov 2017 21:35:34
Why does it always have to be good football or results?


14.) 02 Nov 2017 22:31:07
Exactly Stevie, how about both? I hope we set up the way we did against Spurs and not set up the way we did against Liverpool. We can beat Chelsea if we take the game to them. Jose didn't like the way the fans reacted to the Liverpool game, he's been moaning ever since, but I think he knows now win, lose or draw it is not how people want to see us play. Go for it Jose, if we lose then so be it. I'm not saying go cavalier, just set out like the Spurs game, not the Liverpool game. Protect a lead, not a draw.


15.) 02 Nov 2017 22:59:42
It is embarrasing that some fans even don't remember us playing madrid in super cup.

Parking the bus does not mean winning. How often will that work. We couldn't keep three passes together against liverpool honestly.
But with the talent we have got, if we play against any team to win, then there will always be a good chance that we will win. Why we playing attacking should left us open? It can be properly be planned on how to attack and defend as team.
There is no guauantee that parking the bus against chelsea will give us a win but there is always a good chance if we go toe to toe with them.


16.) 03 Nov 2017 03:23:05
It's understandable though Srestha - that Madrid Super Cup game was like the vast majority of our performances, BORING football. I totally agree with your post, we set-up to nick results and to hell with attacking football. That may be fine for some teams, but not my team, or certainly not what I expect from my team. Man Utd are meant to be entertaining, full of passion, "we will out score you", not we will keep you out and try and get one. But as many have said Jose is not that type of manager, he is a grinder. Unfortunately the very well educated managers of today all study the best and know how to counteract them often with far inferior players.

This formula was used by LVG and it's easy to come unstuck, as we learnt against Stoke, Liverpool and Huddersfield - not having the drive and men committed forward in numbers can easily be handled defensively. Then there is always a chance that a mistake can be made at the back and you are down, without the momentum to come back effectively.

Alli missed a sitter seconds before Martial scored the other day, it was fine margins that won that game, it could have been 1-0 the other way - against top opposition you expect that things are tight and moments win games, but I don't like sailing so close to the wind. Just like Can missed an absolute sitter for Liverpool against us. I appreciate we miss chances, but either games could easily have been defeats and the picture would be very different.


17.) 03 Nov 2017 07:21:32
Chelsea lack pace, if ever there was a game to use both Rashfird and Merial then this is it. Chests out, heads up, stare them in the eyes. There is an undercurrent of discontent at Chelsea that we need to take advantage of.


18.) 03 Nov 2017 08:48:05
No way will he play both Martial and Rashford from the start, I would do it AJH - most Utd fans would do it, but Jose will set us up to stifle as always, Young will probably play in one of their positions.

Chelsea are very beatable at the minute, I'd love us to unshackle the side.


19.) 03 Nov 2017 09:39:33
If United was to win the treble this year people would still say it’s not good enough. Baffles me, it really does. The way united fans talk it’s like we’ve always played the Fergie way or Busy way, 70’s and 80’s must’ve been expunged in our minds cz we’ve not always played this perceived ‘our way’ and won things, it’s happened in spells and I’m sure will come again, maybe not under Jose but what more do people want, we are winning, scoring, not conceding and collecting trophies. Who else if not Jose then, Poch? Proved he can’t win anything vs the big boys, infact played in a way Jose would’ve been shot for at OT, get behind Jose and the team or we will hound him out and then we will be saying when we are 6th again I wish Jose was still here and we was competing, believe me things can be and have been worse x.


20.) 03 Nov 2017 10:54:36
WRD u are absolutely right mate. There is no pleasing some people and for some of our fans now poch is the new pep - the shiny new manager that will take utd back to the glory days. bull

Winning, winning trophies and clean sheets - im. happy with that too.

Werent people (including me) saying that playing the top 6 is where we will see our wrth? Well we beat the mighty spurs AND they didn't score - they must be wrld beaters tho eh?


21.) 03 Nov 2017 11:06:42
It's unbelievable. Now we are judging ourselves against nearly having lost games we won and drew. The world has gone mad.

The media and other clubs fans are all shifting uneasily now that a sleeping giant has woken up and got serious. Anyone doubting we will get ECL qualification? Hopefully not.

Cute have had the best ever start to the league by any team. Tip your cap, say well done and roll up your sleeves and try to catch them. We haven't played them yet btw. They also haven't gone through a winter in this blistering style the last 2 years.

Support your club.


22.) 03 Nov 2017 11:25:34
Who was the kiss on the end for wrd.


23.) 03 Nov 2017 11:28:27
Srestha,

I remember the super cup but I just assumed you wouldn’t be comparing a big champions league game to a pre season friendly.


24.) 03 Nov 2017 11:29:09
Man city are 5 points clear of us after the best start to a season in EPL history .
We would be top this time last year . Ifs and buts I know .
We have also won 4 CL games in a row.
Scored a lot not conceded many .
And had to deal with injuries to key players .
Won 11 drew 2 lost 1
Scored 37 conceded 6 .

Is it that bad?


25.) 03 Nov 2017 12:13:45
Ha my kiss is to all you wonderful United’s fans even tho we’ve differing opinions 😂.


26.) 03 Nov 2017 13:18:45
We've played two so called big teams in the league so far and have 4 points without conceding. If we keep that record up over the season I'd be happy.


27.) 03 Nov 2017 13:30:24
That was what I was trying to post jred. Agree completely, in other years we are on championship form, City are outstanding, who knows if they can keep this up - Let's at least wait until December before we award them the title!


28.) 03 Nov 2017 13:33:11
Perspective Jred, exactly. Goals, not many conceded, quite a few clean sheets. I think we are doing really well considering we are down a few starters.


 

 

23 Oct 2017 01:51:12
TBH I had seen this performance and result coming for quite a while. We were scoring good for quite a few games but yet there were lots of weakness that could be seen. From the everton game, I clearly saw there was something missing from the team. Yes! we scored 4 goals but actually we never seemed like scoring . We scored the last three goals at the very end against completely exhausted and wrecked defense. City would have scored 8 against them given how poor everton were.

Now we cannot make three passes among our attackers. It seems like everyone have a confusion in their mind about what they should do . Our passess have not been crispy nor there has been any wonderful through balls from our players. Yes we have been missing few important players but still our team is good enough to create and score. We have players to do the job but there is something missing from the team. In the liverpool game, we parked the bus but still we had players to have devastating counter attack against lousy liverpool defence but rarely we saw our players getting some passess together.

Herrera was right. Our team does not seem to have the right attitude to win titles right now. I hope Jose installs it soon.


1.) 23 Oct 2017 08:01:07
I can’t really take any comment seriously where you criticise the team for scoring 4 goals without reply and backing it by saying City would have scored 8. In fact in their equivalent game they dropped points against them at home this season.


2.) 23 Oct 2017 11:04:28
Maybe you did not get my point eric. I was not complaining about the four goals scored, it was the performance. I expected our goals to dry up since that performance and it has been so. Everton have been a lot poorer now than before and were much more vulnerable. If City play them now, I at least expect them to score 6.


3.) 23 Oct 2017 13:41:04
Srestha,

City played them a week or 2 before us and only got a point after being 1-0 down, are you suggesting that point Everton got there demoralised them so much that they were terrible when they played us? I do get your point, city are playing more attacking than us at the minute, but the hyperbole isn't needed, we know for a fact city didn't score 8, they scored 1.


 

 

 

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10 Dec 2017 11:44:58
Damn! It sounds like something that must be vociferoulsy spoken in the dressing room. ;)


 

 

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08 Aug 2017 01:20:47
I absolutely love this kind of rumour.


 

 

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10 Jun 2017 10:48:11
Jesus! can't u just spell the full name of our players :D.


 

 

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29 May 2017 07:55:10
He has gone for tea. Will be back for dinner. That is the latest update.


 

 

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28 May 2017 15:46:26
That would be good ed. Rojo has improved a lot under jose. isn't a first choice but can be a good squad player.

{Ed004's Note - I would keep Smalling tbh because I can't see Keane wanting to play a squad role. Bailly + a new signing with Smalling and Rojo covering seems ideal with Tuanzebe, Blind, Carrick and maybe Dier able to cover}


 

 

 

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10 Aug 2018 17:34:29
Wow Nathaniel.

That is one hell of a prediction.


 

 

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03 Mar 2018 11:41:28
We ourselves have players that we are not able to get best out of. If we can get best out our own players than I can see a super strong team.


 

 

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09 Nov 2017 12:08:40
If we continue our game style, I am sure we will be long way from the top and it won't matter how much you think we have stepped up from last season. It is not only improving upon oneself but beating others.


 

 

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02 Nov 2017 22:59:42
It is embarrasing that some fans even don't remember us playing madrid in super cup.

Parking the bus does not mean winning. How often will that work. We couldn't keep three passes together against liverpool honestly.
But with the talent we have got, if we play against any team to win, then there will always be a good chance that we will win. Why we playing attacking should left us open? It can be properly be planned on how to attack and defend as team.
There is no guauantee that parking the bus against chelsea will give us a win but there is always a good chance if we go toe to toe with them.


 

 

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23 Oct 2017 11:04:28
Maybe you did not get my point eric. I was not complaining about the four goals scored, it was the performance. I expected our goals to dry up since that performance and it has been so. Everton have been a lot poorer now than before and were much more vulnerable. If City play them now, I at least expect them to score 6.