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21 Nov 2018 17:32:32
Evening Ed,

You've mentioned that Mourinho wants to remould the squad and may be afforded the funds to do so. Are you aware of how radical his changes are expected to be? I could quite easily foresee a clear out of at least 10 players with half a dozen coming in.

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21 Nov 2018 18:36:12
Mourinho has bought 11 players, and allowed another 14 to leave. Two of which were his own signings (Zlatan and Mkhitaryan) . This process has cost the club around 400m so far.

Yet Mourinho wants to sell or release as many as another 10 players and replace them.

Seriously, what the hell. Who takes a job then says he wants to sell 99% of the squad and replace 24 players with 24 new 30-80m signings in order to be successful? If we worked that out at an average of 50m per signing he would want the club to spend over 1.2 billion on new players.

Hell I could win the league if you give me a billion pounds to spend on new players.

21 Nov 2018 18:56:45
Shappy the answer to the question at the top of paragraph 3 is pep.

21 Nov 2018 21:02:02

Were they all Mourinho’s signings? I refer you to Ed’s post lower down. “he was well down the list of options available although remained of interest - but as they have failed to sign who Mr Mourinho has wanted he is again an option”.

You can keep blaming the manager for everything, but have to ignore what the Ed tells you.

21 Nov 2018 21:27:24
Lets face it we've got players signed by 4 different managers and some of those are either aging and need replacing, have injury/ fitness issues and are unreliable or just aren't good enough. We all know who they are and its time they were moved on.

21 Nov 2018 21:33:14
Not sure jose makes all the signings Shappy. Pogba for example was a club signing, he was coming with or without Jose being here.

21 Nov 2018 21:48:44
FZZ, Jose wanted Pogba while at Chelsea. So I'm sure he wasn't too upset with the signing.

Suddenly half the signings aren't Jose's. Who do people think is making the decisions on who to sign if not the manager?

Are Fellaini and Mata really Moyes signings?

Did LvG really sign a single player?

The manager wants a certain type of player for a specific role within the squad. He tasks the scouts to find them. They compile a list, the scouting team and the management team discuss which ones to pursue, the rest is down to the money people.

If a player is signed Jose has given it the okay. Therefore, it's his signing ultimately.

21 Nov 2018 22:30:20

We get it, you want to hang, draw and quarter Mourinho

I think the real question is who is making the decisions because for a manager with such experience it is hard to see why some have been signed, unless they are not his signings. However, you won’t be happy until Jose has been dismissed, so they all have to be his signings to fit the prosecution evidence at his trial

By the way it is hard to argue that Fellaini was not a Moyes signing given where he came from, how and why.

22 Nov 2018 00:40:36
Lvg didn’t buy Herrera shaw di Maria or falcao snappy if that helps.

22 Nov 2018 12:31:39
Can't have it both ways shappy. Can't say every signing is 100% on Jose an say moyes an van gaal weren't responsible for theirs.

22 Nov 2018 13:08:53
That's the point Mort, I'm saying that everyone slated BOTH Moyes and LvG for their poor signings. No one ever said they weren't responsible for their signings.

Yet now people want to make excuses for why after spending 400m on new players it's not Mourinho's fault.

Suddenly he didn't pick the players we signed during his time as manager. He isn't to blame. In fact every signing that has been a success was his signing and every one that has failed to live up to expectations are club signings made by some dark and shadowy mysterious person. But definitely not Jose.

It's ridiculous, the double standards.

The same people who wanted Moyes and LvG sacked and used their poor signings as a stick to beat them with refuse to blame any of our recent poor signings on our current manager.

22 Nov 2018 13:26:38

One question for you.

Have those signings been a failure due to their own attitude or because of their ability?

I can clearly see all of them have the talent and it is mainly due to their attitudetfor failing at United.

22 Nov 2018 13:43:06
Cant see the maths Shappy tbh- out of the players signed since he came: 11 in yes but Zlatan came on a free miki in the deal for sanchez but out of the players he sold I can't work out the 14 unless you count the undisclosed younguns or the frees like valdes and rooney? Out of the sales, mcnair and love to sunderland - they ain't good enough for them!
Schneiderlin and januzai not exactluy world beaters, blind =squad player not getting game time johnstone prob 3rd choice. there's only Depay (in an inferior frech league), Zlatan (37 / 38) and Miki ok for arsenal but its obvious why they were sold. The retained buys atm are of a better if not the standard we want, and also would attract more value in sales. So both areas are covered in improvement and money; not the level we have been used to but other teams have improved massively and we can't have all the sweets. Club problems that affect results run deeper than the next transfer window or two being able to sort them out and although JM is supposedly steering the ship he cannot be held responsible for all that happens at the club.

22 Nov 2018 14:35:41
People want to beat Moyes and LVG with poor signings stick Shappy because nobody knew about the transfer policy at that point. Many were led to believe that the managers were in charge of the spending not the board.

Now people have come to the realisation about the situation they have changed their mind is that ok?

22 Nov 2018 15:06:35
Is right people want to make excuses after excuse for Jose. Yet slated moyes and lvg for the same things?

22 Nov 2018 15:54:01
Singh, signings fail for all sorts of different reasons. And yes a certain amount of blame always has to be placed on the player.

However, none of the players we have signed we're playing poorly for their previous teams, in fact they were playing well. That's why we signed them.

So why don't they play well for us? Is it a case of their poor attitude? Maybe, but then why didn't that attitude stop them playing well for their previous club? Why does their poor attitude only effect their form for Manchester United and not either their previous club or their international team?

Many of the players we slate every week for not playing well, go off and play well for their national side. Pogba played a key role in his country winning the world cup. So why can't he play like that for us?

Is it the tactics? Or is our manager unable to get the most out of him?

{Ed025's Note - thats a fair point shappy..

22 Nov 2018 16:20:13
FZZ, When did the club release a statement declaring the manager is no longer responsible for signings?

Isn't it just speculation? The Ed's have said that there are several people involved in recruitment, just like any large organisation. That the manager and his team of assistants, Ed Woodward and the scouting team work together to draw up a list of targets based on the managers wishes.

This is the same for every club, more or less world wide, and has been for many many many years. Ultimately though the buck stops with the manager.

Jose stated he wanted a CB, so the club agreed to sign Bailey with Joses blessing. Jose wanted a second CB, he had friends back in Portugal who told him Lindelof was a great player in the making, he sent his scouts who agreed, the club then purchased Lindelof. The second CB signed by/ for Mourinho.

Yet Smalling is still his go to first choice, why because Mourinho is unable to get the best out of Bailey and Lindelof.

22 Nov 2018 16:36:04
I think I said at the time van gaal wasn't responsible for most of his signings. I said along he didn't sign di Maria and falcao. That was on woody. Also most on here accepted Shaw and Herrera were moyes signings. As for moyes he wasn't backed and made one good and one bad signing.

I'm not making excuses for Jose. He has caused a lot of problems. But regards signings we don't know which are his and which aren't. Pogba again has woody all over it. No Jose wasn't going to turn down a player of his talent and the personality clash has led to issues.

If/ when Jose goes he needs to be followed by woody.

22 Nov 2018 17:00:20
Mort you think Shaw and Herrera were moyes signings?

Do you think Woodward scouts and identifies players?

22 Nov 2018 17:17:34
Moyes tried to sign Herrera and was linked with Shaw all through his tenure. So yeah i'd say they were his. The deals were almost done when moyes went. LvG agreed to complete them. As has been said by shappy the managers putting his list forward its on woody to get them. We've been told woody has a mystery advisor. I think woody also to an extent does identify signings. We know he's a commercial bean counter and we know he's obsessed with marque signings.

22 Nov 2018 17:59:57
Even tho both players signed after moyes and in Herrera case we had been watching him and linked even befor moyes?
It may be on woody to get them all though a lot of the legal stuff etc is handled by other people

So Herrera and Shaw 2 players signed after moyes are moyes signings but the players signed while Jose is at the club are not Jose signings .
A pogba a player ed has told us Jose wanted at Chelsea and United is a Woodward signing . Ok.

22 Nov 2018 18:29:47
This just shows how much we need an appropriate manager who can be at the club for the long term. By appropriate I mean a manager who plays progressive, attacking football and develops young players i.e someone who suits the ethos and history of the club.

A manager who entertains us, plays the 'Utd way' and shows us our youth products will get a lot of leeway and patience from the fans even if results are mediocre while he builds his team and implements his ideas.

Chopping and changing negative managers makes no commercial sense and we end up with the dogs dinner we have now which is going to cost a lot of money to sort out. We also lose a lot of support and subsequently sponsorship because who wants to watch boring football from average players?

I can't understand how all this isn't bleedin' obvious to the supposed professional people in the industry who run the club.

22 Nov 2018 23:25:46

Do you really think Pogba played great for France?

The players playing well at previous clubs -

Bailly - He had like one season in top flight and then we signed him.

Lindelof - He is starting to show form now.

Martial - No body knew who he was and we signed him. Its not like he was pulling trees in Monaco as he only had one season with them i think.

Pogba - Played for Juve but he had the top players like Pirlo and doing the donkey work. He doesn't have that here and that is why he messes up for when he doesn't bother to put a shift in.

Sanchez - He is the only player i'd say i'm pissed about as he should be tearing the league but again he is a cry baby as Ed pointed out Sanchez doesn't want to play on the wings. That is poor attitude in my eyes.

Zlatan - Did really well and was unlucky he got injured and went off.

Mkhitaryan - This was a big gamble and it i think the whole world k ew he has attitude probl3ms and was shifted out.

Fred - Its his first year.

Lukaku - Has played to his potentional and doesn't have bad attitude. I personally don't think he is the type of striker that will win us the league on his own.

So can you explain to me who was really pulling trees at their previous club apart from Sanchez who i think should be doing well.

I know u guys don't like the manager but u got to be fair and give the players the same treatment! .

23 Nov 2018 00:10:37
So first of bailly was playing very well, started at United very well to be honest but has regressed . But many on the site raving about him

Highly rated by those who know there stuff, currently showing the talent he has

Was a good player for juve was one and is still one of the big name players for France who have just won the world cup

Need I explain

German player of the year doing well at arsenal involved in more goal than any other player from limited starts when we sold him

Scored 16 league goals last season compared to 25 in an average Everton team the previous season and 23 in 21 games from Belgium.



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