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06 May 2018 10:46:05
Seen Jose on Motd more or less write off rashford and martial? Can't believe he doesn't like them. Think they may be another couple of players who come back to bite him on the ass. I'd be happy with either of them signing for us.

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06 May 2018 12:03:57
don't think he is writing them off just pushing for a response. They were both shocking against Brighton but that comes with inexperience and youth. Both need to be more consistent but I am sure that will come with time and experience. I am a fan of both but there comes a point where players have to take responsibility for their own career. Cannot be blaming the manager all the time. I expect rashford to stay but not sure about martial. Martial used to be one of my favourite players but that way he struts around the pitch is infuriating. If he leaves now I will not be as opposed to it than i was at the beginning of the season. Manager's tactics are to blame somewhat. But some of our players are not as good as we think, nor do they have the right mentality. Mentality is so important.

06 May 2018 15:31:07
Park his push as you call it seems to be his default response to every loss. How long before players start pushing back?

06 May 2018 15:34:23
When was the last time either of those players had a good game? So i really don't care if either of them or half the team that lost to Brighton are pushed out.

06 May 2018 15:39:00
UA either you don't watch us play or have lost your memory, just go watch the Arsenal game that happened last week and see how martial performed.

06 May 2018 15:39:21
CSM I appreciate what you mean and I agree Jose seems to be doing it a lot. As I have said, both are to blame but if you look at these poor losses there is similarity that we have been out fought and our desires by the opposition. I’m sorry but that is down to the players. To not put in the effort or desire is unacceptable for me. Not being able to pass the ball 5 yards is down to the players not the manager. Whilst I don’t think we will win the league under Jose, I would back him for his final year and then look for the next manager. I’m not his biggest supporter but there are a lot of players that I have lost patience with and it’s time to be ruthless and show them the door. You have to either back the manager fully or get rid of him. Whether I believe it’s the right decision or not, clearly the board are going to back Jose and if so then they have to buy and sell who he wants. It’s a nice change from the board not really fully backing Moyes or lvg before, and rightly so may I add. The players cannot have too much power otherwise we will end up like Chelsea. To reiterate, I don’t condone Jose digging out his players but Friday was a situation where they fully deserved the criticism they received from him. Some of the players need a rocket up the arse and to stop being snow flakes. Just the way I see it but I can see where you are coming from mate.

06 May 2018 15:55:14
I disagree park, our consistency for me is a mourinho problem. If you look at our general style of play you will find we have no real distinct style. Mourinho football depends mostly on determination and hardwork far more than klopp's or guardiola's who are more tactical especially in offense.

The problem with this style is with no motivation workrate normally goes down that is as true of footballers as it is of any other field and right now we have nothing to play for in the league.

I agree at times players need to be criticized but why consistently do it Infront of media, how many times did fergie is his entire career single out players Infront of media and how many times has mourinho done it this season just compare. Especially when there is no reason to do it given there is nothing to gain from it given the number of matches remaining.

06 May 2018 16:04:14
I just hope some of the cardboard cut outs masquerading as Manchester United footballers are watching the City celebrations and feeling that tad little bit better about themselves. Love Utd, dislike this team.

06 May 2018 16:35:10
Fair enough CSM I get your point. Style of play is a problem for me. As are tactics. But for me there are too many average players in this squad in crucial areas. We are not controlling the midfield and our wing back play is atrocious. Defence is a problem with bailly injured and not sure why lindelof isn’t given a run of games. Jose is at fault there. But my opinion is Jose couldn’t have done a huge amount more with this team if they are not putting the effort in. Yes his job to motivate but once they step over that white line it’s their job to execute the plan. You cannot tell me that it’s jose’s Fault if they cannot pass five yards or make runs beyond the last man. Manager deserves criticism when he needs to improve. But the players should not be immune to criticism from the manager. I’m sick of the attitude of some of these players and I back the manager to stick it to them because the majority are a bunch of overpaid idiots. It’s the press narrative attack Jose when he criticises his players. He was very entitled to do so on Friday.

06 May 2018 17:39:18
I didn't notice Mata in that Brighton game - he always gets a pass because he is such a nice bloke. However as he is experienced I'd expect him to be doing more in games like that, but the easy option is to attack Rashford and Martial (who deserve a slating), but it's always the easy option with this manager and some fans.

Sanchez has been just as bad as those two for several games on the spin as well. He deservedly got hammered for it, but the problem is deeper than players not performing when given a chance.

What has Mata done this season? Fellaini was absolutely horrendous and Pogba yet again did next to nothing. All meant to be reliable, experienced, etc, much more so than the two real youngsters.

06 May 2018 17:40:16
Sorry CSM, but i disagree. I get from your posts that you would be celebrating the day Jose walks out the door at Old Trafford but do you think the players what they should be doing? Do they deserve to don the shirt of United? Bar may be 3 or let's say 5 players out of the entire squad would you keep them if you were incharge? They are under performing. While it may be down to the manager on the style of play ( which we all knew when Jose was signed) the level of performances, the adrenaline and the motivation has to be the players. They are not doing enough to deserve to be at OT. Till the day manager is here, we back him and not the players lest we end up like Chelsea.

06 May 2018 18:10:56
UA now you are shifting goalposts given your when did they last play well point turned out to be incorrect.

Against City 2nd half, against Chelsea against Tottenham in semis, these players have shown that they can perform, can mourinho get them doing it consistently is the question.

Mourinho moans about rashford and martial not being good enough strikers which is why we lost to Brighton. Why then did we lose to westbrom lukaku played that one not those 2, why did it take until stoppage time to beat Arsenal's B team, again neither of the 2 started that one either.

He talks about our poor defense with his fanboys complaining about Jones and Smalling not being good enough, last I checked he signed 2 cb's neither of whom he has picked do Smalling and Jones force him to pick them?

He talks about utd not being a good enough team, guess what, a team with lorius karius, Jordan Henderson, Gini wijnaldum, Dejan lovren and James milner is in the Champions league final, so the poor team holding back mourinho excuse doesn't work either.

Mourinho has spent 300mn can't play decent football and is not winning us the league or CL. He is a man whose tactics are outdated and his motivation skills seem to have evaporated. You talk about players not being good enough but a manager must improve what he has atleast or are now supposed to buy 11 ready made players for him. Fergie excelled at getting the best out of average players, mourinho has managed to do the opposite. Pogba has regressed, same with rashford, name me one player who you can say mourinho has improved.

There are players who need to sold but when manager benches his own 70mn cb's for Jones and Smalling and can't get performances out of his 90mn mf and a fw who earns 500k a week it isn't the players who are at fault.

06 May 2018 18:31:54
We will have to agree to disagree on this. For me its the players who need to kick the ball on the field so they should be responsible, for you its simply Jose's fault if it rains in Manchester.

06 May 2018 18:59:22
Good points beast I agree the experienced players have not been consistent enough and that’s been a problem.

CSM things don’t have to be black or white. They can, and often are grey. Our fanbase is so split with people who are Jose F. C. and those who are anti-Jose/ martial F. C. not saying you are just saying that things aren’t really bad neither are they really good. Sacking Jose won’t exactly make things all hunky dory. Likewise he should be criticised for his tactics or style of play. What I’m saying is that you clearly dislike him and that’s your prerogative to. But you cannot solely blame him for the issues and criticise him when he sticks the boot into the players. Fergie did it and other managers do as well. But because it is Jose and you dislike him it’s coming across as a bit of an agenda. For me the players are the ones that need to shoulder the blame in the recents defeats against Brighton and West Brom. And Jose criticising them was completely valid. There are a lot of players who have been coasting too long and if he cannot dig them out then who can? Cannot always put an arm around them and hope they work. Wenger has been doing it for years and look where he has ended up. Appreciate Jose does deflect and not take responsibility against Sevilla for example. But the players deserved it after Brighton. I expect a response against West Ham.

06 May 2018 19:36:27
Sorry for late post but i can see where jose is coming from, after fridays performance i can see why jose doesn’t trust either, both either tried too hard or aren’t mature enough because both ran down blind alleys and failed with the final pass, both have potential but soon or later potential but sooner or later they have to start delivering consistently, i rate both highly but the prem is unforgiving and we can only accept it for so long, Lukaku touch is like he’s trapping a bag of cement ( cheers Brian clough) but he delivers consistently.

06 May 2018 21:09:25
I think the whole do you blame players or the manager thing needs consistency if you feel it's not the managers fault when players performance or attitude are poor as he's not out on the pitch and can't be held accountable when they cross the line that's fine but why praise him when performance and attitude is good when you feel it was nothing to do with him when it wasn't.
To me the buck stops with the manager good or bad . I don't like the way he has us playing most of the time but we are second and in a cup final and as I say buck stops with the manager so to me that's worthy of another chance to make a title challenge . I may like others suspect we are as likely to slip back as keep going forward but that hasn't happened yet . If we do well next year IL praise the manager if we don't IL hold him accountable what I won't do is say he's great when we win but it's the players fault when we lose and nothing to do with him .

07 May 2018 06:03:29
Park the reason I want mourinho gone isn't because I dislike him, I was very happy when we signed him, you can check my posts of the time if you want but 2 years down the line I don't think he has it in him to do this job.

The reason i want him gone is because he will have his eventual meltdown in future and we will fall of a cliff just like Chelsea did, the new manager then will not only have to pickup the pieces but also hit the ground running due to the adidas clause, we could avoid that if we replace Mourinho now and give the new manager a bedding in season given our situation right now.

I agree changing managers won't suddenly turn things around but it will improve us over atleast medium term, as klopp is showing us a good manager gets his team playing well and getting results mourinho doesn't inspire the same confidence for me.

About his man management, again I don't care if he criticizes the players, do you think fergie would not be bringing his hairdryer out after a loss. The problem is constant humiliation of the players in media, history shows it doesn't end well for mourinho yet he is still doing it and we will see a Chelsea repeat because of his own antics.

Shaw plays well, mourinho is the brain and shaw is just the body. Shaw plays badly he is rubbish. Rashford plays well, he is great and mourinho is greater because he has given him minutes to play, rash plays badly, that is the reason he never starts ahead of lukaku. So for everything good mourinho wants credit for everything bad mourinho says he isn't at fault, how long before players say enough?

About players as I said some need to be replaced but it is a decent team. His 500k man has had a grand total of 2 good games excluding his debut against the lower league team, his 90mn signing blows hot and cold and his agent tried to engineer a move away from utd in Jan given mourinho's treatment of him. Our 2 young forwards have not improved under mourinho in 2 years, mourinho plays turgid football that has us playing 11 behind the ball yet ddg routinely needs to make world class saves to keep us from losing. That isn't good enough and when most of your team is underperforming and inconsistent it isn't practical to replace 10 players rather we need to replace the man at the helm for me.

He has done some good things, his signings if managed properly will be big successes for us, the Europa league, League cup and hopefully fa cup are great additions to our trophy cabinet but is he going to win the league, I don't think so. Is he going to win the CL again highly unlikely and for the money he has spent and wants to spend it isn't a good enough return.

07 May 2018 06:39:30
For those that blame the players, what is your stance on Moyes and LvG? We have a better squad now than we had under either of them. So were they unfairly dismissed as it was really just the players fault?

07 May 2018 09:56:00
Can anyone imagine what would happen to a player who completely disregarded Jose's orders? So how can he say they are the masters of complication after a recent game. If they were doing their own thing they would have been attacking. It takes us 10-15 passes just to get out of our half, when other teams go from defence to attack in 3 or 4! Jose is outdated and all he has improved is our results. Our football stinks. I don't get any joy from watching us any more. I must be getting like Jose as I have enjoyed the big wins only as results, not from our play. Pep, Poch and Klopp have found a way to excite and get results, why can't Jose?







 

 

 
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