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14 Jun 2017 08:16:57
G'day Ed,

Do you know if United have shown any interest in Robertson from Hull? Fantastic player and much better than Shaw in my opinion.

{Ed001's Note - not sure I even slightly agree with your assessment of him, and United have not shown interest in him. So far anyway.}

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14 Jun 2017 08:23:40
You don't rate him ed?

{Ed001's Note - he is not a top half Prem player, very average. Falls apart under pressure when I have watched him.}

14 Jun 2017 08:39:34
I'd disagree with that assessment Ed. When I have seen him he has looked solid. He will have a host of clubs chasing him in my opinion. I would go as far as saying he would be an improvement on the left backs at 4 of the top 6 clubs aside from Chelsea and Tottenham.

{Ed001's Note - he has a couple of clubs after him yes, but that is more because there are so few left backs, rather than because he is outstanding. I have no idea what you call solid, but he is not strong in the tackle (or strong generally), positionally suspect and was often caught in no man's land for Hull as he did not get forward strongly enough nor track back quickly enough. He never seemed to know if he was a full back or wing back and ended up being in neither position. His left foot is massively overrated as well, his delivery is good but not great, when he has time and space. The minute he is put under pressure it becomes terrible, ending up whacked into touch a lot of the times.}

14 Jun 2017 09:42:05
Ed I must admit I have to vehemently disagree with you on some of those points. It is a funny old game because some of 'lesser' parts of this lads game that you mention are parts I find to be his best attributes. For me his left foot is fantastic and he can whip in some nasty crosses for centre backs to cope with.

As for getting forward he will always try to make the run (should the managers tactics permit it) and busts a gut to get back into position. He is young and still learning so of course he will be a little rough around the edges but for me the ability is definitely there. I know a lad who has played with him and he is first on the field and keeps himself in complete perfect shape unlike our current left back who's ability is not in question just his ethic and commitment.

{Ed001's Note - I don't care who you know at Hull, if that is what you think is top class, then I fear for you. He is an average lower end Prem (at best) player. His left foot is far from fantastic, hence why he created so few chances last season. It is not so much his workrate that is the issue, as his positional sense, which is poor.}

14 Jun 2017 10:01:45
Ed I don't know anyone currently at Hull I was just passing on that this lad takes care of himself on and off the pitch. Again I did not say he was 'top class' but I think he is a really good player who can develop into a very good premier league fullback.

As for creating chances Ed, first and foremost he is a defensive player and for me he does that well. Secondly how many chances in total did Hull create last season? It is easy to snipe at his stats when he is playing for a pretty poor team. Let's see how he goes this season but I do rate him highly at the moment.

{Ed001's Note - plenty of other players created chances for Hull from a much weaker position to attack from. Clucas had far more of an effect going forward and did more defensively.

As for sniping at his stats, I am pointing out that this amazing left foot of his, despite a hell of a lot of chances to put a cross in, did little.}

14 Jun 2017 10:13:26
Ed I think Clucas had a pretty good year also but they play different roles so you cannot really compare them both.

You know as always I respect your opinion but it seems we disagree on this one. Let's see how he gets on next season with whatever club is lucky enough to get him!

Ps he does have a cracking left foot!

14 Jun 2017 10:50:05
Agree with Ed on this, if this is the calibre of player United need to challenge on all fronts maybe I am watching the wrong sport :-)

14 Jun 2017 10:50:26
Maze, I work in Hull. The fans say he's better at attacking than defending. Generally hit and miss.

14 Jun 2017 11:16:08
what do people think of our young left back d. mitchell is it worth giving him a couple of games.

14 Jun 2017 11:24:59
I thought against Palace he played well. It was the last game of the season with nothing for Palace to play for but, our youngsters played very well and it was a pleasure to watch them play. Tuanzebe, Harrop, McTominay, Mitchell and TFM may find themselves promoted.
They need a good pre season. CBJ needs one as well. We have places to fill in the squad since Schweinstieger, Depay and Schneiderlin have left. Jones and Smalling look likely to leave. Fellaini and Rooney could leave as well. Buy quality and promote our youth players.

14 Jun 2017 11:54:11
Gazpat have you seen him play or is he just not your cup of tea because he doesn't have a name like Moreno or Monreal?

14 Jun 2017 12:14:20
Robertson, Creswell, Bertrand - all much of a muchness for me. All mid-table PL standard, Bayern, PSG, Madrid, Chelsea, City, etc - all wouldn't bother to crane their necks, let alone look twice.

Mendy, Rose is the type of standard that will elevate us, much rather gamble on Shaw coming good than blow money on the others though.

14 Jun 2017 13:46:32
FAO Maze, I watched him 4 times, possibly 5 times last year so by no means a lot.

To say he is not my cup of tea because he is not foreign is ridiculous as I could name 4-5 Uk&Ireland based players with non-foreign names who I would class as currently better than him, older and younger.

Ben Davies

Bar Tierney all above have proved over the last few years they are at a far superior level to him imo.

As ED mentioned he is mid table team player at best. But it appears you can't allow people have their own opinions.

14 Jun 2017 14:24:09
Touche gazbat.

14 Jun 2017 14:24:49
I'll give you Rose and possibly Bertrand. Shaw at the moment for me is not as good as Robbo. Davies is capable on his day but nothing special. Tierney doesn't get the nod ahead of Robertson in the Scotland squad so why would you feel he is superior? Gibbs is bombscare so please forget that altogether.

It is all about Opinions but like I said above except Spurs and Chelsea who in the top 6 has got a better left back currently (and don't say Shaw as he isn't currently better)?

14 Jun 2017 15:12:29
Maze, I hear your opinion, and I have mine, I think Shaw right now is a better player, comfortably better, Tierney has had a somewhat breakout year this year, and will replace him in the Scotland setup very soon imo.

As mentioned just my opnions. If you disagree that is yours, but Manchester United need to be aiming a lot higher than Robertson calibre in y opinion, I would go as so far to say, I would prefer Darmian at left full and not spend the money on Robertson. I would give Shaw / Darmian / Rojo / Blind and Youth a chance before him.

14 Jun 2017 15:25:51
Just some stats from the web :

Ben Davies
Games 48
Minutes 2603
Goals 3
Assists 3
Average Rating 7.14

Andrew Robertson
Games 45
Minutes 2737
Goals 1
Assists 2
Average Rating 6.67

The stats seem to back up my opnion though.

14 Jun 2017 15:40:57
To be fair Davies is playing with better players than Robertson. So his stats should be better, even though I hate stats. One of those assists could have hit him on the back of his head accidentally, or he could have put 100 beautiful balls in only for the striker to finish - who gives the rating as well, we can't agree on here what to give our own players out of 10 and what we are basing things on?

Alli, Kane and Eriksen are all a lot more clinical than any of the Hull attackers as well. Their full backs mainly attack, Hull's mainly have to defend. Comparing apples with rotten apples, imo.

But again Davies is in the catchment of starter for mid-table team imo.

14 Jun 2017 16:02:42
I agree Beast, Mid Table player, not saying we should sign any of the players I listed, just saying I feel the players I listed are better than Robertson, including Ben Davies. So it's not let's sign the best Foreign player, it's let's sign the best player we can for a position.

Just feel the comment from Maze sounded a lot like Wilkinson the other day when he was moaning about United signing Lindelof instead of Keane.

It's not a foriegn vs English or Home Grown.

It's about ability.

14 Jun 2017 16:29:50
Wilkins apologies, Not Wilkinson.

15 Jun 2017 01:37:02
Interesting you make that comparison between Wilkins and I Gazpat because I am not English so I have no issue of preference over an English based player and a foreign national.

In the past though even on this forum I have seen players ridiculed who are British but Foreign players get off scot free because they have a fancy name.

As an example a few seasons ago Carrick and Rooney were getting constantly bashed whereas players like Di Maria and Falcao were getting a free ride. In hindsight who do you think was more deserving of the criticism?

15 Jun 2017 02:51:18
Maze, did Gazpat make that observation about Rooney/ Carrick being to blame over Di Maria/ Falcao? If not, then I'm not sure why he needs to answer your totally hypothetical scenario. I also don't see anything in his original post to suggest he favors foreign named players over homegrown. You seem to have a bee in your bonnet as usual.

15 Jun 2017 08:19:03
Again, I will reitterate, I don't prefer any one nationality over another (Although I would like to see an Irishman back at the club :-) )

People have favourites and people will moan about players, honestly it's a fans perogative to have a moan, we all pay money to watch and support, we are all entitled to opinions.

I can also distinctly remember Falcao not getting a free ride here, ok he would of gotten away lightly but still had his haters.

Di Maria played for one season, couldn't settle / wouldn't settle.

Personally I have no concern of where a player was born and raised. What I care about is ability.

Personally I would of sold Rooney when he tried to force through a move the first time.

But the manager (s) all know better than me, hence why my career ended at the ripe age of 24 :)

15 Jun 2017 09:01:05
How did either Falcao or Di Maria get a free ride?

I don't remember Falcao being talked about much here, but I think that's just because we forgot he was playing for us.

As I recall, Di Maria was bashed pretty mercilessly when he wasn't performing, and didn't get the praise he deserved when he played well.

I agree that Rooney always takes a bashing whenever he isn't playing out of his skin, but at the end of the day, a lot of people never forgave him for asking to leave (even though the reasoning he gave might as well have been copy-pasted from these pages at the time) .

15 Jun 2017 07:38:38
HB please see Gazpats post below:

{Just feel the comment from Maze sounded a lot like Wilkinson the other day when he was moaning about United signing Lindelof instead of Keane.

It's not a foriegn vs English or Home Grown}

So please tell me who is making these "hypothetical scenarios" again?

15 Jun 2017 09:39:07
Agree with pretty much everything there, I think the pace of the league didn't suit Angel or Falcao.

I was a huge Rooney fan, I thought he could do it all at one point, he has gone down hill rapid over the last few years, a lot of the criticism he receives is over the top, but I think we should have gotten rid of him three years ago personally, when we could of received a decent chunk of cash.

But that's hindsight.

PLayer bashing is one thing and fans having a moan is another, but some players fans just don't like.

16 Jun 2017 00:33:36
Maze, where this all stemmed from was you mentioning I didn't like Robertson because he didn't have a foreign name.

I then listed a lot of players who I feel are currently playing better / are better imo.

The conversation then seemed to switch to Home Grown vs Foreign, and I simply pointed to your point you made and made a very close comparison to what Ray Wilkins said on TV just this week.

You then said players are getting an easy time beccause they are foreign, which was nothing got to do with what we were talking about.

I can have a conversation / debate over players and ability, we can disagree, but stop making out people are saying things they don't or didn't say to suit your argument it's petty.

Again this was about Robertson, a 23/ 24 year old from Hull who should not be a target for a team wanting to get back to being one of the best teams in Europe, there are a lot of left backs playing in Europe who would be a damn site better than him. That is a fact.



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