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12 Apr 2019 11:43:31
I know not every one will agree and that's fair enough but i really think sometimes Pogba gets judged unfairly on here when other players in the squad are allowed to get away with so much more. Against Barcelona Ole played a negative set up with Dalot playing out of position and substitutions that didn't work. Young who was utterly useless Rashford and Lukaku who did nothing all game with horrible movement through out the game yet people are still find time to criticize Pogba. Fred and Mctominay were there to defend and they did it efficiently but that means the whole attack is reliant on one player in Pogba and with Rashford and Lukaku ahead of him making no runs creating no space yet the blame for a lot of people is always at Pogbas feet. People love Rashford so don't criticize him but he has been poor since the liverpool game for me. also the manager is getting away with playing players out of position and essentially parking it at home. I am a Ole supporter but i am a Utd fan first i think a lot of people let the romance of Ole or the love for Rashford or in some cases the hate for pogba blind their judgement.

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12 Apr 2019 12:16:09
It wasn’t just Wednesday though was it, Pogba turns up when he wants to and not often enough. If you look at him since he arrived he has been average. He had a great spell post Ole appointment but has drifted off again. Add to that his apparent desire to leave I’m going to judge him how I want. Right now, over priced, over rated, and not committed to the cause.

I love Rashford but am happy to criticise him, he’s been off the pace since he was injured and made a lot of wrong decisions on Wednesday. However, he’s still a kid, not a £90M marketing machine who is supposedly one of the best players in the world, a player who has rarely ever taken hold of a game.

As for Ole, how did he park the bus? We played a high press up the field and created far more chances than Barca, we just couldn’t get any of them on target. Parking the bus is having everyone behind the ball looking to sneak a goal and that’s not what happened.

12 Apr 2019 12:23:21
Yeah I agree Pogba does get held to a standard that's disproportionate to others. I think the reason he gets it on here is the eds have told us he wants out. It was the same with Martial last summer.

12 Apr 2019 12:36:53
Pogba is a very strange player, he is a conundrum of a footballer who contradicts his own ability at times. He looks like someone who if you surrounded him with the greatest players on the planet he can stand out and look even better than those players at times, but at the same time, in this squad where he is far and away the most talented player he can look like the worst player on the pitch.

He has so much ability to decide a game on his own but is a luxury player who despite his incredible technical and physical ability (pretty much everything you'd want in a player that can win a game on his own) he very rarely decides a game on his own.

Yes he is not surrounded by the best United squad of all time but throughout Europe there are players with half of Pogba's talent who produce twice as often as he does.

Not all of this is his fault and I agree he gets more than his fair share of stick as plenty of other players have not lived up to expectations over the past few years and we haven't always had a particularly fluid style of play in his time here which has hindered him somewhat. Mainly though, I think the stick he gets is a symptom disappointment as Pogba seems to play to the level of the team he is in rather than be the reason that the team he is in is that bit better with his presence. If he goes to Real Madrid, Barcelona or Juve and is surrounded by stars dominating games he will look incredible and people will think we have made a mistake in selling him but I doubt he will ever look brilliant consistently in a squad where he is the best player, he needs others around him of a similar or even higher level to be at his best.

12 Apr 2019 12:40:06
AJH we played both fred mctominay who are predominantly defensive along with a rb at rw and a rw and rb and you think because we pressed its not a defensive set up? We were clearly more concerned with not losing rather than going and winning.

Pogba has more assists and and goals combined then the everyone else in our team so if he's the one that we should get rid of what about the rest! Also it is not Pogbas fault we overpaid for him we also over paid for Martial and Lukaku but no you choose to dig out Pogba as do others.

Look at the dross around him and his own so called fans against him digging him out at every opportunity i don't blame him if he wants to go and win something because our board consistently acts gives no indication that he's playing for one of the biggest clubs in world looking to get to the next level.

12 Apr 2019 13:55:40
Mnk397,

We largely for the majority of the game nullified Barcelona. That was part of OGS tactics.
We stopped Barcelona playing their tikka taka football.

Ask yourself this, how many teams have managed to do that.

Is Shaw had marked Suarez at the far post, chances are that goal wouldn't have happened.

Rashford has just come back from being injured, Youngs crossing was again diabolical.

McTominay and Fred worked very hard. Mctominay played like a Utd Captain. He led my example on the pitch. His post match interview showed how passionate he is.

The final third, we weren't great, but we played well, stopped Barcelona. Messi was rather anonymous for the majority of the game.

Look for all the negatives but remember that. This is a team with a new manager and tactics. A team that isn't used to doing a lot of running.

Next season, hopefully we some quality additions, we will see are far more entertaining Utd side.

I remember Fergies final 2 seasons I charge. The football played then wasnt great either.

We beat PSG against all the odds, have we over achieved or were PSG far too arrogant?

Get behind the team.

12 Apr 2019 14:18:47
Pogba was bought in as a top player, top transfer fee, on top wages, one of the world's highest fees. But he doesn't show it on the field, he should be bossing the midfield but he doesn't.

12 Apr 2019 15:02:21
Scott was MOTM, he did all the dirty work so PP didn't have to, and referring to our players as dross, classy.

12 Apr 2019 16:29:19
I just think maybe pogba isn't as good as we would hope/ thought.

There are countless players who on their day are unplayable, world class, but it's the solid 7 out of 10 Dennis Irwin types I admire.

I have no agenda against pogba, he sometimes engages in things that are away from my generation thus causing him to wrankle me but that's it.

If he stayed for the next 8 years, brilliant.

If he left tomorrow, meh .

12 Apr 2019 16:53:45
Deano. Its a pretty damming indictment that you don't care if he stays or goes.
I feel the same but herrera mata jones young martial i have no affinity with any of them. Never up in arms if there out of the team and never excited when they are.

12 Apr 2019 17:13:06
I feel like Pogba struggles or doesn't care for the basics eg tracking runners, marking space/ passing lanes, playing the simple ball. Which can be fine if you win games on your own on a regular basis.

I also think as an athletic flamboyant black man he is judged to a different standard than if he was a white Brazilian. I don't mean to kick off a race discussion here but I think their is a bit of unconscious bias here (myself included)

All in all I will support him as long as he is in a Utd shirt but I would love to see him do the basics at an elite level like the very best do and still have the moments of genius.

12 Apr 2019 17:51:41
mnk397, what do you expect Ole to do? We had a couple of players returning back from injuries and a couple of inexperienced lads to choose from to play against Barca.

"We were clearly more concerned with not losing rather than going and winning. " - I have never seen any team pressing high up the pitch in a defensive setup and going as deep as into the opposition half, so that they don't lose the game - that's so weird.

With regards to Pogba, he has all the talent in the world and yet so wasted with his lack of desire/ application on the pitch. In his years at the club, except for a few matches he has never really stood out - yes, you can blame the management, the manager, the fans and the players around him, but if you want to be regarded the best in the world, you need to showcase your talents/ skills on the pitch consistently and standout from the crowd. Look at players like Ronaldo, Messi, DeGea - they are World class because they have the ability to win games on their own and they do it consistently - even if the team is not playing well.

13 Apr 2019 00:36:32
I am actually a fan of Pogba because of his incredible talent, big personality, and ability to win a game. But he deserves the criticism he gets because his effort is so inconsistent. He has the personality of a leader (in a social sense) but not the character of a leader, since he does not drive the team forward by his example or lead the effort defensively.

Our love for Rashford is the combination of how exciting he is as a player along with his excellent attitude. How always gives 100%. And even when he does not play his best, like the Barcelona game, he still made a lot happen and impacted the game, unlike Lukaku, who was either invisible or killed the attack the second he got on the ball.

13 Apr 2019 01:58:18
Would anyone says pogba good player could be great but the way he conducts himself and acts will never reach them heights similar to Balotelli who could of been a great player himself but maybe put his image first all joking about and stuff a no times changed but if all the old players like keane and Giggs and all them was in these days I think personally they would be the same just on what sort of characters they was.

13 Apr 2019 10:19:13
Maybe you're right Ken, I just don't buy he is good as a lot think .

Flashes of unrivalled brilliance, followed by bored indifference.

I've seen much, much better players than mr pogba leave and have gotten over it.

As ed02 always says "footballers are transient employees" and I am behind that 100% .

13 Apr 2019 12:04:04
Bang on Deano. I never get the hero worship the command.
Players come and go. There are only a handful of united players over the last 45 years I've been watching that i would bother to cross the road to shake their hand if they were walking along alone.
They are just blokes like you and me lucky enough to have what i would consider to be the best job in the world. i'd say over 90% of then couldn't give a toss Abbott the likes of you or me.
They will kids 1 badge 1 min and another the next.
Nothing wrong with that by the way its a job to them that's all.
While they play for us i want them all to do well but i know as soon as one goes ill be cheering the next guy.







 

 

 
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