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03 Apr 2019 21:16:42
Ok, so I held on before writing this, so it doesn't come out as "heat of the moment" after last night's game.

First things first, I wasn't on the Ole at the wheel brigade and didn't want him as our permanent manager and I remain unconvinced. Also, I mentioned last week that Woodward confirmed Ole because he was a Yes man and wouldn't hurt them and reading Ed002's input today that he would have no to very little inputs on the transfer, I stand vindicated. Ole is indeed a Yes man. Having said that, i love my club and I would love to be proven wrong and hope that Ole is the man to take us forward.

For me Ole is tactically naïve. He simply doesn't show any style or attacking intent that most here seem to see. Now before you give me stats about more goals scored, stats can be misleading and if you take out first 3 games of Ole's tenure, you will see that the goals scoring isn't as good. His decision making is questionable in pressure situations. We have seen that several times over the past month or so. He brought on Lingard when he was clearly not fit and could have cost the player aggravating his injury. He cannot find the best position to play Pogba to get the best out of him. Keeps playing Young at RB instead of Dalot. Young should be there to cover for Shaw or instead of Shaw (Luke Shaw would be playing Championship level if he weren't English. He has no positional sense at all and needs 20 touches before he can pass a ball, that too sideways mostly) .

Ole always said that we are Manchester United and we focus on our game and yet sits deep with 10 behind the ball against lower ranked teams. Wolves beat us twice in 3 weeks. Last night rather than focusing on how we should play, he tried to copy Wolves and played 3 at the back, with Ashley Young for gods sake. Where was his tactical knowledge? When Young was sent off, he brought on Jones, why? If you wanted 3 at the back, why not play Jones from the start? After Young was sent off, why couldn't he put Dalot (a defender already on the field) in Young's position and get on with it, why take off Fred? Why not Pogba? Or else he could have simply played 4 at the back and make Wolves think, but no, we are copying Wolves and we will continue with 3 at the back. Why bring on Martial for Lukaku. Even after Young was off, we were looking dangerous, lethargic but still a threat, but he had to bring on Martial. Why didn't he bring on Martial and kept Lukaku on, played 2 up top with a 3-4-2 or play Martial on the wing and play a 4-4-1? Something different for Wolves to work on. Just my thought on how I would have managed the game. He cannot change the players, I get that, but he can at least change the style or tactics during the game. And its not just about last night, he has shown this naivety several times in the past 4 months.

Now, given that most on here are backing Ole and blaming the players, let's look at things objectively. We are saying that the current defense isn't good enough to pose a title challenge and should be sold. Where have I heard that before, oh right, our previous manager said that and he wanted a new defender/ leader in but he wasn't allowed to get one. But now everyone can see that. Bailly has hardly featured under Ole and now no one is questioning the manager when he keeps picking Smalling and Bailly can't even make the bench most games. So, either Jose was right in identifying that Bailly wasn't good enough or Ole is simply as stupid as Jose was by not playing the best United defender. Which is it? Secondly, we do not have a right side in attack, so we all wanted a right forward but alas we didn't get one because Ed Woodward didn't back the previous incumbent. Now Ole plays the same players in the same positions but no questions are asked of him?

It was around a month back when the mumblings began to gain that Ole was about to be named permanent manager of Manchester United. Any theories as to why our results took a downturn ever since. There is a certain drop in the level of commitments of the players, more injuries suddenly cropping up and Pogba has simply disappeared. Any conspiracy? I think the players wield too much power here. Did they want someone else and now that Ole has been given charge, they have turned on him. Jose was right in saying that and called them out but lost out to the dressing room.

I noticed this yesterday when Dalot was free and in a very good position to deliver a cross, but the ball wasn't passed to him by Pogba, even when it was a very simple 5 yard pass. This happened multiple times yesterday. Is Pogba being mischievous and pulling the strings and doesn't want the team to perform?

I have no doubts that the way the club has been handled has been a disaster and we have backed player power and very soon history will be repeated with Ole unless we take a stand and cut out the toxics (the players not the fans) .

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03 Apr 2019 22:17:14
Admit it, you’re delighted we lost so you could say I find you so.

04 Apr 2019 00:20:07
to be honest gds a fair bit of what he has said is right the same players that were playing for him look like they can not be a d. a lot of the games he has been lucky we should of seen were we were at the end of the season and then acted.

03 Apr 2019 23:53:55
We are in danger of losing all objectivity and rational thought after losing a couple of games.

What Ole has achieved so far has been nothing short of miraculous. We must understand that this is still a bang average Utd team. Ken wrote a interesting post last night where he correctly labeled most of our players as mediocre. Players such as Smalling, Jones and Young have been discarded by England. Lingard is far from a guaranteed starter and Rashford has only recently established himself as an international. Herrera and Mata don't make the Spanish squad and haven't done for years. Fred is no longer an international player, nor is Pereira. The list goes on and on!

A number of key injuries have resulted in Ole having to rotate the squad and experiment with new systems and formations. Players are slowly returning but many still don't look fully fit and have struggled for form. As such Ole has been unable to select his preferred 11 and build on his good run of form.

We have some very talented younger players but they lack experience and consistently. We need to be patient and wait for the likes of Rashford, Martial, Lindelof, Shaw, Dalot and even Mctominay to mature and develop. The likes of Pogba, Lukaku and Lingard are all very good players approaching their peak years.

We desperately need a commanding CB and in my opinion a RW in the summer window to really improve our team. Our defensive fragilities are well documented but a RW is just as important. We must be able to attack down both flanks and this will mean we are less reliant on Martial. Lingard has done ok from the right on occasions but when he's injured we are unbalanced and devoid of any natural options. Lingard is not an orthodox wide player and we need somebody capable of traveling with the ball and beating defenders.

Ole is no fool he'll know recent performances haven't been good enough but if we can't show a modicum of patience to a Club legend who has United a mutinous team, eliminated one of the favourites from the Champions League and given us a fighting chance of finishing in the top 4 from what appeared to be an insurmountable position we really have lost our way!

Bring on Barcelona I can't wait!

04 Apr 2019 04:33:30
Not a couple of games DLIB, yes a couple if you are only talking about Wolves, we lost a couple of times to them in 3 weeks, let that sink in.

Now, you are saying that this is a terrible squad and needs fixing then why was the squad not allowed to fix when Jose was crying out for reinforcements and what makes you think that Ed will get in what the team requires and not what the sponsors want. We have set a very dangerous precedent for ourselves and Ole being the nice guy he is isn't someone who will be able to kick butt of these players to get them right. Understand that two of the most autocratic managers weren't allowed to so why on earth would Ole be. Its not about just 2 games, its about the last 4 months. The performances are third grade in 80% of the games and the results are covering up the cracks, sound similar? I also can't wait to see what Barcelona would do to us when Wolves put us in our place. Fighting for 4th, we might just end up 6th because we have lost steam when we should be gaining it.

04 Apr 2019 06:05:40
Seriously are you defending Bailly?
This season he has had a shocker. He was shown Red card in the 2nd match of Ole's reign.
He just can't keep himself fit just like Jones. In the PSG match, he was anonymous. (In fact PSG scored from his mistake) .
Currently, only Smalling and Lindelof seem to be fit, therefore Ole has no other choice than pairing them up.

I personally am a big fan of Bailly because of his no nonsense defending but he needs to regain his form and fitness.

We cannot criticize Ole until we give him time and the players he want in his system.
So as a true fan, please back the manager and stop judging him on a game to game basis.
Did anyone even think that we would be fighting for top 4 with the mess Jose created?

04 Apr 2019 08:40:37
Unbelievable. Give him a chance . It sickens me that a young manager - a club legend - isn’t given complete support across the fan base.

04 Apr 2019 09:16:27
How does being a club legend have to do anything with being a good manager? Steve Bruce, Bryan Robson, Scholes, Gary Neville, Mark Hughes, Roy Kean, Jaap Stam, all club legends but no where close to being world class managers. The list could go on. So stop going on about him being a legend of the club. Rooney is a legend, make him manager then. Was Moyes supported, was LvG, was Jose?

04 Apr 2019 09:21:46
He isn’t given the full support of the higher ups never mind the fan base BadRedDevil.
The inmates are running the asylum and the sooner people notice that the better.
The manager may not be 100% but the players aren’t even 30% of what we need or should want. They have no pride just a holding out of a hand for a pay cheque.
Yeh let’s all support that likes of pogba and Herrera and de gea that continually try to hold the club over a barrel.
They all need clearing and starting again with a British core that thinks Man Utd is the pinnacle not Barcelona or Real Madrid.

04 Apr 2019 10:07:38
Ole hasn't made one signing yet. The Dark One had any number of transfer windows, brought in the players he wanted, before proceeding to dump all over the majority of them.

04 Apr 2019 10:17:12
United Addict how many players mourniho bought and they've been success?

You're happy to bring ed2 to back your points but then purposely ignore he said from the start mourniho was a disaster.

Anyways I've got nothing to do with it but it's shocking to see how quickly fans turned on OGS despite doing a miracle job.

no manager is going to come and fix United from the go, it's going to take couple of years and fans will need to be patient.

04 Apr 2019 10:38:54
Well said Kopitef. Unfortunately the toxics do not understand the meaning of patience.

04 Apr 2019 11:14:46
lingard was PASSED fit to play by the medical staff and the player said he could play.

we were miles the better team until wolves scored then the players bottled it not the manager. he can't control young making 2 stupid tackles from again mistakes losing the ball.

if we were clinical we would have been 3 up b4 they scored by the way from the mistake of fred who was left on an hour to long. fred offers nothing a waste of money yet again and pogba stayed on prob because he is the only player we have who can pass a ball.

lukaku was took off because he had just played after injuring his ankle.

ole set us up to play high and quick. how many times were our centre backs on the half way line?

all wolves did was counter, we make 2 mistakes and we all know when we make mistakes we concede because we are poor at the back.

i love that your passionate addict but at least be realistic when slating, nothing the manager did made us lose that game.

the blame is on the players. poor finishing, poor passing, and not bottle cost us that game.

04 Apr 2019 12:26:15
I agree with ppsters here. The blame should be aimed at players as most of the them shouldn't be anywhere near the first team.

04 Apr 2019 14:51:54
Spot on kopite.

04 Apr 2019 15:22:50
Kopitef, that disaster gave us 3 trophies in 2 years. What did you win? Oh yeah, NOTHING, so why don't you scurry off to your happy place. Just before you go, and this is just because you said the Ed2 said Jose was going to be a disaster, Ed2 also said that Man Utd would appoint Ole as permanent and that would be a mistake. What do you make of that?

04 Apr 2019 16:58:19
United Addict are you The Beast Re-incarnate?

04 Apr 2019 23:45:52
I think it was ED001 who said that Phelan was the reason why we play so defensively.

I'm hoping that this, summers we finally get rid of the deadwood.

We've had players at the club who are not up to the standard.



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