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29 Jan 2019 15:30:07
Definately not a post based on the team of late or the kneejerk reaction after watching us play much more attractive football; but I really can't see what all the hype regarding Pochetino becoming or being a favourite by many to be our next manager. Whilst he is far from the worst I fail to see the justification as he has not built a team, he hasn't won anything and although he has his hands tied somewhat by Levy in the market, he hasn't bought anything out of the ordinary.

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29 Jan 2019 15:57:42
I think he is a good candidate, is he the best? Who knows. He has built a very good Spurs side, however, I think he has taken them as far as he can. I don't think Levy has the balls to make the next step and invest in the size and depth of the squad needed to take the team over the line and win the league and truly challenge into the latter stages of the ECL.

Pochettino sets his side's up well and they play good entertaining football. He has also help develop many players and improved them during his time with them. He does give youth a chance. He doesn't make a fool of himself during interviews and he doesn't show up his club. So he does tick many boxes. The only one he doesn't is actually winning titles, now you could say he is at a side that lacks the ambition needed to make that serious push to win. Yet it is also far to say Spurs had an excellent opportunity to win the league a couple of seasons back but lost out to Leicester who on paper were an inferior side.
His side has also shown a mental fragility in numerous cup competitions, which is a concern. But like winning becoming a habit so does falling when the finish line is in sight.
Maybe that wouldn't happen at another club with players more acquainted with winning.

Either way it's clear why he should be considered, yet until Ole loses a game then it's becoming harder and harder to see past him.

29 Jan 2019 16:02:23
He has built a team. In spite of the financial restrictions (and these are quite big in comparison to rivals) he has built a very good team that consistently finishes in the top 4. A few years back when they finished second, they were capable of pushing for a title with a bit of backing. Poch got nothing, but maintained top four when his competitors all spent pretty big.

His teams work hard, play good football, and he gets the best out of a significant amount of his players. His transfer record is a bit iffy, but with a director of football, this wouldn’t be a concern. Ole has started increadibly well, but is miles behind Poch in experience and success at this level.

29 Jan 2019 16:10:16
I hate to be one of those people but getting spurs consistently in the top 4 shows more managerial nouse that winning a cup. Their first 11 is fantastic and to improve that would take a lot of money the club just doesn't have in midst of a stadium move.

He's just a solid manager as Shappy said above. He has shown he can consistently make the step up to the next level. If Ole wasn't doing so well I have no doubt in my mind our number one target would have been Poch, but right now, Ole hasn't put a foot wrong so the waiting continues.

29 Jan 2019 16:47:46
You forgot he doesn't sign well shaps. Many a player he has bought are poor enough, even for the money they spent.

Whether levy has the balls to invest or not, surely he might also be reluctant to let poch spend money. His track record for that doesn't read well.

OGS has done everything right so far and might just be the correct fit for the club.

29 Jan 2019 16:57:32
Spurs have never finished second in the premier league era.

29 Jan 2019 17:22:12
Angel if your spending is an order of magnitude lower than the teams you're competing with you can't compare or judge him on it. They've been out invested by the likes of West Ham and Everton. The fact he has managed to keep them where they are is miraculous.

29 Jan 2019 17:49:00
Angel, Pochettino has had some poor signings, he has also had a few good ones. Its hard to judge a manager on their signings as whether a club can sign a player is dependant on far more factors than whether the manager wants them or not.

For example do you believe Spurs have the financial muscle to out bid and offer as high or higher wages than any of the top sides in Europe?
If the answer is no then they just can compete for the top players. Which is the case, Spurs can't sign the same level of players that we, City, Chelsea, Liverpool, Bayern Munich, PSG, Barcelona and Real Madrid can. So if there are at least 8 sides who can sign the best players ahead of you then you have to shop smart, you need to sign players from the next bracket down. Players who have a question mark over their head for one reason or another. Maybe they failed previously at a top club, maybe they have never had the chance, maybe they have potential but are yet to show it consistently or perhaps their mentality/ attitude has been questioned.

That means Spurs are always starting from a few paces behind in terms of transfers and that they are always more likely to have a flop than a hit in many ways.

Also we don't know exactly how much impact Pochettino has on Spurs signings. Clearly he is involved, but is he the man to put names forward or does he just ask for players who fit a certain criteria then the scouts and money men decide who comes in?

That's why I'm prepared to give him the benefit of the doubt when it comes to signings.

29 Jan 2019 17:49:06
Nathaniel, he has still bought badly despite how much the player cost. His recruitment skills are incredibly questionable.

{Ed025's Note - i dont think he has much say to be honest..

29 Jan 2019 18:08:48
What happened in 16/ 17 Damon? But too young to be getting forgetful p.

29 Jan 2019 18:16:34
You reckon ed025? So those players bought while he has been manager have had very little to do with him?

That's a tough job if that really is the case. I'm sure a read a great piece by ed001 recently speaking a lot about poch and his signings.

{Ed025's Note - levy and his cronies have the say on players coming in as far as i know angel..

29 Jan 2019 18:21:28
Shappy, I get all of that. Of course spurs don't have the same muscle as the top teams. And again, maybe poch doesn't have much say, but bad signings most definitely outweigh the good signings he has made during his tenure.

It's really tough to know whether or not he is a good fit for united anyway. Poch has 2 things that go against him, signings made and the consistency in which spurs always seem to fade away when at the end of a cup challenge.

You wrote a great post on ole and united the other day. It really might be a case of OGS being the right fit at the right time for this club.

29 Jan 2019 18:33:38
Maybe so ed0025. Then it's unfair to judge him on that.

Surely just makes his job harder. Why does he stay there then?

29 Jan 2019 19:43:17
I like Poch don't get me wrong but if you compare our record Vs his record over the last 3 years.

FA Cup, Uefa cup, League Cup, 2nd place finish last year.

Spurs man for man have what many perceive as superior to our own, yet they've won nothing and seem happy based on recent comments finishing top 4.

Appreciate he is under financial constraints but they had a very good team recent signings have been poor though.


Ole for me 100%.

30 Jan 2019 05:43:16
Poch is not afraid to promote youth and handles young players well.
He gets the best out of most players.
The style of play is pleasing to the fans.
The way Spurs beat Real and Barcelona recently in champions league was impressive.
Wonder what kind of players he will target if he becomes the United manger.







 

 

 
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