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25 Nov 2018 18:42:52
One thing seems to be overlooked in all the hullabaloo about the first team. The u23s and younger teams do seem to be playing good football and in the Utd spirit. Surely Jose has a say in how the younger squads train and play and if so then why are they performing well and our first team not?

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25 Nov 2018 19:11:37
No he doesn't and that might be why they are doing well. Jose will not tell coaches how their teams should play. He has to let them teach mould and educate them playing in a manner which will do that best and get the most out of those players.

25 Nov 2018 20:36:27
Sorry but Jose almost certainly will have an input to how the clubs structure their teams and how they play. I guess he deserves no credit at all for anything because he just needs sacking.

25 Nov 2018 20:51:34
Shappy, how do you know what Mourinho has a say in?
Making stuff up again while portraying the impression that you have the first clue what goes on at the club.

There is too much of this going on now, and it is bringing the standards down on this site massively (I mean that generally, not Shappy in particularly)

This has been the best footy site around for many years now, but is going down hill fast because people's personal dislike of one person, Mr Mourinho. Everyone has there own opinions, as they. But it seems like the ones with the strongest dislike for Mourinho have to keep on and on until everyone else 'falls into line' and agrees with their opinions and views.

Stop banging on about the same old stuff, you can't make everyone else agree. And you certainly won't change opinions by spouting the same, made up stuff all the time. We can all see what's going on in terms of performances on the field, but I suspect there is more to it than just one man. And none of us know what goes on behind the scenes, despite some pretending they do.

Let's get back to posting quality on here, instead of quantity.

{Ed025's Note - i know what your saying betty and some of that is indeed valid, but football is subjective and different people will always have differing views on players, managers and every other aspect of the game, it does not make you less of a supporter if you dont like the manager as much as it does not make you an authority on the game if you do, there is a negativity surrounding the club at the moment but for me its not down to the supporters alone, its the manager, CEO, and most importantly the players who have to be held to account for this mate, but thats just my view of course..

25 Nov 2018 20:55:17
Sorry, I should have added that I was referring to the posters and certainly not the eds in any way shape or form. It is a reflection on quality of posts, not the site, which is top notch.

25 Nov 2018 21:24:17
Betty
Really the site has gone down hill because of people's opinions of Jose?

Did you see the very personal insults of Shaw or martial last season?
How about the 2 year of abusive post of Rooney, the stick lvg got or the abuse moyes got before a ball was even kicked .
The constant slagging off of smalling young fellaini.

You seem ok with all of that I fact was part of it .

25 Nov 2018 21:28:27
What are you on about Red Man? Do you think Jose or any manager of an EPL side will sit down with the managers and coaches of the under 13's and tell them what formation and tactics they should be using?

Your deluded if you think he has the time to sit down with them at all levels. The closest he might come is he might say he wants them to be understand certain tactics. However, if you have a half decent youth set up you will be preparing your youngsters to be able to understand and play all manner of tactics.

Plus seeing as Mourinho never stays anywhere more than 3 years what would be the point of him speaking to anyone below under 23 or maybe under 18 level.

I expect he tells Casey Stoney how the Women's team should be playing as well. Maybe we should credit Mourinho with the Women's team 8-0 result today rather than question the 0-0 at home to Palace from yesterday for which Mourinho can take no blame as its all the fault of the Glazers, the board or Ed Woodward or whoever else you want to blame for Mourinho being unable to get the talented and expensive squad he has hand a hand in assembling to play well and get results.

25 Nov 2018 21:33:09
Does any one have any idea (Betty redmam) how much of a say Woodward or the glazers have on the football side of the business .
Because they seem to get a lot of stick and that seems to be ok.

25 Nov 2018 21:39:54
Ed, I totally agree that disliking the manager doesn't make you less of a supporter. I don't like him myself actually. If you remember I actually said I liked Martinez due to his style of play.
I respect that people have different views, but there are those that obviously don't and seem to be trying to change others opinions by constantly posting the same things over and over again - a lot of which is complete fiction portrayed as facts.

The fans are bound to be divided over who is at fault, and I think there is obviously more than 1 party at fault. Mourinho won't be around for long, I am sure. But I am also not expecting things to turn around as soon as he goes. I still see Mourinhos unpopularity as get out of jail free card for several players though.
Again, just my opinion. Not fact :)

{Ed025's Note - yo do speak a lot of sense betty, i know it can grind you down when all we hear is negativity mate but there is still hope there and a lot of very good players, getting the best out of them and playing as a team seems to be a bit of a problem at the moment though and i think thats why the natives are so restless, a few good results on the bounce could well change all that..

25 Nov 2018 21:50:56
Shappy

If I was Manager I would want to set a style for the teams so that when youth step up they are playing in the same style as they have been doing. We know that the youth step up to train with the first team, why do you think it is such a big leap that the manager of the club has a say in uniting the tactics from top to bottom. In fact I would question his leadership if he didn’t.

25 Nov 2018 21:53:51
Jred

I read that when Pogba’s transferred was considered someone considered the social media clicks side as a part of the decision. Who considered that do you think, Mourinho or some other member of the club?

25 Nov 2018 21:56:30
As usual Jred, misrepresentating what I said. You run with the fixes and hunt with the hounds. Post all the questions and never have any answers.

I have no issue with people's opinions of Mourinho. But let's stick to the facts instead of people making stuff up, that's all.

As for being 'part of it', I thought Rooney was past his best. I don't think Smalling is good enough. Never had a go at Fellaini. I like Martial a lot and think he will be a top player, but needs to apply himself better and be more consistent. Would like him to stay.
Will happily admit I have been critical of Shaw's attitude and application, as have many including ex coaches and the player himself.

I was also accused of being a Moyes and LvG lover because I stuck up for them when players were underperforming.
Make of that what you want - but get your facts right first.

25 Nov 2018 22:23:44
Red man, if you were manager I would expect you would have the team playing some sort of attacking football. I would expect you to hold the club with a special kind of regard, and not take pot shots at it every time you failed.

But then your a fan of the club and your love for it means you will treat the club and it's traditions in a respectful way. Unlike a certain manager.

Don't assume the way you would run the club is the same way Jose would. I have been told by someone connected with Chelsea that Jose never took any interest in the youth set up unless he had an injury crisis. Never spoke about how they should play or what he wanted the kids to be learning.

So unless he has changed his methods since then I doubt he has any impact with the youth set up at all.

He expects his clubs to buy him the players he wants rather than him try and produce them. It's one of the reasons so few youngsters break through with him.

25 Nov 2018 22:25:28
Betty
My facts are right pal your recurring people for the same things you have done.
Honest question who are you to say what fact are right?
like you have said above you thought Rooney was past it.
Well reading the site many think Jose is past it .
You don't think smalling is good enough well people don't think Jose is .
You question Shaw do you have the facts?
But you seem to think it's ok for you to have an opinion and not others.

25 Nov 2018 22:31:20
Redman
Of course the social media side was a consideration . We are a billion pound company buying a £100,000,000 product and committing to a further £90,000,000 in wages .

Would you not consider all aspects before a near £200,000,000 investment .

So shappy says the manager has no sat in the youth teams? Does he know that, well betty and Redman seem the know he does?

Maybe we are all as bad as each other.







 

 

 
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