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02 Oct 2018 17:45:46
Ed002 I remember seeing a response from yourself on the Liverpool page a while ago detailing a plan you would implement if you were in charge of the club in order to improve their fortunes. I was wondering if you could do something similar for United.

To the untrained and uninformed eye it looks like the owners have done a fantastic job of leveraging the commercial side of the club but there doesn't seem to be an obvious and cohesive plan to maintain the footballing side. Would you say that is a fair comment or are we all missing something obvious?

{Ed002's Note - The two points that arose out of that list which need to be addressed by Manchester United are:
(a) Get the Director of Football sorted out: Manchester United are continuing to try and address this.
(b) Wrest Power Back from the Players: Players at high profile teams (in particular in the Premier League and a few other individual players dotted around Europe) are not fully focussed on doing what they are employed to do, and in many cases are paid well to do. I would get someone in (a really knowledgeable football guy who can advise the club) and have them speak to each of the players to really understand where their focus is and where they want to be. I would also have a suitable advisor go right through all of the coaching staff and look at the methods of coaching. I would then get the players together and tell them that the club will be making addendums to their contracts requiring such things as responsible behaviour, not wearing flimsy designer football boots that offer little protection, wearing black boots only in games, responsible usage of social media, banning all at club visits by hairdressers and car salesmen, banning the use of all hair care products etc.. The players need to be controlled in any interviews and interviews, and any endorsements, should all be arranged through the club. Any players to which the club is making payments to third parties for such nonsense as image rights need to be moved on or the contracts amended at no penalty to the club. Then they need to be asked if they buy in to the club and these changes – if they don’t their agents can be told that the club is happy for them to find new employers for their charges.}

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02 Oct 2018 18:39:55
Er your not looking for a job are you ed? 🤣.

{Ed002's Note - Not for me I am afraid.}

02 Oct 2018 19:14:14
Lovely read Ed002, thanks. Old school and i like it👍🏻.

02 Oct 2018 19:24:21
Is point (b) what Mourinho is trying to do and why he's having so many fallings out?

{Ed002's Note - It would not really be his job to do that but I do know of managers and coaches who have taken it on themselves to do. The media you all seem to turn to so gleefully, certainly the British media, are easy to make the most of supposition and the slightest apparent issue and make a real big deal which then creates this stumbling behemoth which relentlessly tries to bring down certain clubs and certain head coaches. A side issue will soon come in to this that has been created by the amount of money in the English game and the wages paid to players - clubs are going to end up stuck with them.}

02 Oct 2018 19:29:20
I get the feeling that point B is a particular bug bare of yours. How likely (and easy) would such changes be to make? I agree by the way, some players are much more interested in their profile than their performances.

{Ed002's Note - I have beef with numerous issues in the game, particularly the modern English game and how clubs behave. Manchester United are much weaker as a club than they were but I would imagine Alex Ferguson would not have allowed the players to maneuver themselves in to the position they are in. Mistakes have been made with the likes of Ibrahimovic and Depay, baggage that came with Rojo and Pogba was accepted, money spent on Schweinsteiger needlessly, massively over paying for the likes of Martial and so on. Some players are bright, sensible and responsible - Mata is the best example at Old Trafford. But many are boneheads who need to be shocked in to earning their keep - and some need to go. But that can be tough given the wages paid to the likes of Sanchez and Pogba - both of which need to be moved on.}

02 Oct 2018 19:37:10
Great read Ed thank you very much.

02 Oct 2018 19:48:06
Hi ed002. Really good points. i'm glad to see your views on player power and some of the responsibilities some of which they continually flaunt and ignore.
This squad has too many players that don't do what they are paid to do.
Im not just making excuses for the manager who is also very much to blame for our form.

{Ed002's Note - Some clubs do make it absolutely clear that the players are expected to behave responsibly and make sure that they do. Some players simply cannot behave in a way that they will not cause embarrassment to their club - Balotelli, Suarez, Pogba are examples. The squad needs work on it at MU and that is why it is important to get the right Director of Football on board.}

02 Oct 2018 19:50:47
Great post Ed and agree completely with your point of view.

I don’t want to go on just bashing the players and agents but I do feel that the balance of power needs addressing and clubs need to set standards and policies.

02 Oct 2018 20:02:55
Ed002, great post and a brilliant insight into where the club stands at present. Weak management, questionable transfer policies. Lowering of standards. All points some of us have been harping on.
Change has to happen and happen correctly and fast.

02 Oct 2018 20:09:00
Great post ED002. what's your opinion on the Glazers.
Are they a good fit for the club?

{Ed002's Note - They are the owners and are really not intrusive on the footballing side. They, like all owners, want success.}

02 Oct 2018 20:31:01
Thanks for the info Ed. Are we any closer to a DOF, and perhaps more importantly are we looking at the right people in your opinion?

{Ed002's Note - I am not aware of any agreement, so the club is no closer. The club has been considering folks who would work well with Mr Mourinho and they are good options.}

02 Oct 2018 21:00:44
If i could ask Ed002, could you possibly give one name, one who is attainable, that Utd could/ should appoint for the director of football role?

{Ed002's Note - I can provide names but as to whether or not they are attainable or not is a different matter. The two original candidates that were approached are Andrea Berta and Luis Campos. I previously named a wildcard option from Juventus who might just be available (but that may not be clear for a little over three weeks and right now I think I understand well what will happen there), Fabio Paratici.

However, if he were available then for me Rui Costa would be the best solution.}

02 Oct 2018 21:25:14
Great feedback and analysis, as ever Ed. Thank you.

02 Oct 2018 22:39:22
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{Ed002's Note - It was indeed "The Schnörk", thanks.}

02 Oct 2018 22:46:49
Ed 02 your thoughts are much appreciated. Are there similar models at eg City and Bayern? Also if all or most of your suggestions are actually adopted and eg Pogba and Sanchez go then surely other top players will look at the rest of the team and see it is very light quality wise and prefer to go to our rivals. If that is so it is going to mean we may have to accept several years of mediocrity and rebuild.

{Ed002's Note - Manchester City has owners who impress the importance of morals and community on the staff. When the club became embroiled in an issue surrounding youngsters they were most unhappy. Many European sides do not have the same issues with players but they generally have expectations that players do not draw embarrassment to the club. Italy seems more like England - they have a number of DFs as players as well.}

02 Oct 2018 23:04:56
Thank you Ed002.

{Ed002's Note - You are welcome.}

02 Oct 2018 23:31:00
Great read 002, love learning about the other side of football.

{Ed002's Note - Thanks - it is a huge undertaking to try and keep everything in order player wise. For too long a number of English sides have pampered players at the highest level - the pain will come when they see how difficult it is to sell players who are earning much more than their counterparts.}

02 Oct 2018 23:55:08
You mentioned Pogba and Sanchez need to be moved on. Pogba seems fairly obvious given his baggage, attitude an that he doesn't want to be here. But is there an issue with Sanchez? Also who else would you say should be moved on?

{Ed002's Note - Sanchez was a major mistake and it is compounded by the wages which would make a move difficult. It hasn’t worked out, but what can the club do with him?}

03 Oct 2018 07:49:36
Ed002, thanks again. I read a statement from Agnelli that Paratici will be given the role of ‘Head of Sports Arena’? Also did Campos used to work with JM at Madrid?

{Ed002's Note - What I suspect will happen at Juventus is that (a) Fabio Paratici will become CEO and General Manager for Sport, (b) Zinedine Zidane will become Director of Football, (c) a new high-end negotiator will be added.

Former Real Madrid technical scout Luis Campos was previously approached by Everton and Manchester United to take charge of recruitment in a senior Director of Football role and declined. He spent time at Monaco and is now at Lille but there has been no recent approach by Manchester United although there was a discussion with another side.}

03 Oct 2018 10:31:28
Thanks again Ed002. Definitely makes more sense for ZZ to return to Juventus. Have a good day.

{Ed002's Note - Thanks.}

03 Oct 2018 10:38:20
Oh final question Ed002 if ok please? How much of a role does Matthew Judge have at MUFC? Is he the one who has overseen the players wages/ contracts?

{Ed002's Note - Are you looking for someone else to try and blame. He is effectively an assistant to Woodward.}

03 Oct 2018 11:01:43
Sorry Ed, had read a report describing his role. Thanks again for explaining and won’t trouble you again today :-)







 

 

 
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