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30 Sep 2018 17:53:59
I’ll put my head above the pulpit. Now is absolutely not the time to sack Jose. Now is the time for United hierarchy to go full out support of him. To sack him caves in to player power, and I can’t see one single player who I’d keep ahead of Jose. The guy is a serial winner and deserves the chance to win this battle. I’m not even considering the alternatives as sacking Jose immediately puts every replacement at a severe disadvantage - if Pogba doesn’t like them it begins again. Slowly at first.

Yes Jose an egomaniac ( you have to be to manage United), yes his style is at odds with our values. Nevertheless can you imagine the faces and the egos of certain members of the squad if it happens. Sir Matt would be turning in his grave and Sir Alex will be furious.

Pogba must be sent packing first in January. He is the toxic one. Remember. He is an employee, nothing more. He certainly isn’t a world class footballer. The atmosphere will change immediately and the correct notion of the manager demanding respect and pivotal status is preserved. It sends a message to the squad for Jose and the next manager.

Next we need January investment under the longer term vision of an appropriate DOF. Then, and only then, can any thought of Jose leaving be given countenance.

This is more than just next season at stakes. It’s far more. Prestige. History. Values. United. Jose for what it’s worth has my full support.

{Ed033's Note - Maybe you need Trump to make Manchester United great again :)

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30 Sep 2018 19:03:06
Prestige, history, values. And you want to keep Jose, do you not see the irony?

30 Sep 2018 19:15:13
What decent team in world football has won anything with 3 slow cumbersome donkeys in midfield.

30 Sep 2018 19:44:44
Dynasties are built and then fall, only to be built again.

I see no problem, with languishing on the periphery in order to rebuild.

I think as fans of our great club, we have become entitled, as a Liverpool fan posted earlier, we are now Liverpool fans, living in the past and complaining we aren't achieving the same high levels.

Yes I want my club to win everything every season, but I also see the need for evolution and as a club we have to adapt to the new environment.

We just haven't.

And we get frustrated that we aren't winning everything, or indeed, winning full stop.

I don't think Jose is the right man for the job, I never truly believed he would stay for more than 3 years anyway.

We need to be patient, invest in youth, get a DoF like other clubs have done, you can see how City have evolved and adapted, as Liverpool are also now doing.

We seem to want the shiniest brightest new megastar and then we want 5 more, regardless if they can play well together, PSG are a good example of this.

Teams should be built, not bought.

{Ed025's Note - great ethos jonny but in these days of the microwave supporters instant success is paramount, slowly slowly does not catch you a monkey any more mate and rome had to be built in under a day, and unfortunately patience is not a virtue any more.. :)

30 Sep 2018 19:48:06
I am with Timbobon this. While I’m not the biggest Jose cheerleader in the world, you cannot allow player power cancer to set foot within the club. Personally I don’t believe Jose is even in the majority of the fault with these performances of late as he isn’t kicking a ball on the pitch.

1. The midfield is too slow in transition, Matic should be dropped and go with Fred and Andreas.

2. The board failed Jose in the summer, I’m not against him proving a point.

3. I’m sorry, but Pogba is over-hyped. Did he have a good WC? Yes, but that team around him allowed him to focus on one thing and that’s it. The world beaters should be able to have a rounded out game about them, especially those in the midfield.

4. We cannot let the inmates run the asylum, and I know without a shadow of a doubt that if we sack Jose, it will all happen again in a couple of years.

{Ed025's Note - maybe you and tim could start a fan club USS, your members could all meet in a phone box.. :)

30 Sep 2018 19:48:57
Timbo, I’ve been fully behind Jose for a lot of the points you express even tho we are the complete opposite of how I want my club to be in terms of the words Tony lays out above and I’ve been behind jose because I hate the sacking culture BUT it’s got to a point now that I do not see where we are going, I don’t see us challenging and in actual fact we seem to be regressing. I don’t know the ins and outs of what’s going on in the hierarchy as I’m sure there’s more to it and some part of me feels a bit sorry for him but I think I’ve seen enough to know it’s not working with Jose Unfortunately.

30 Sep 2018 19:55:38
Unfortunately, whether we like it or not, it's the players that have the power, now. That's not changing any time soon, so we need a manager who's able to work with that new reality.

30 Sep 2018 19:56:37
Timbo I'm sorry but I disagree completely with what you're saying. So pogba is the biggest problem? Is he the reason that not one player played well Saturday then? You are just looking for a scapegoat by there. If it was a couple of players underperforming then fair enough but the players are playing like they've never met before. I wouldn't be happy playing in that team with that style of play and that's probably why we had a poor summer in terms of transfers. It's Mourinho's job to get the players motivated and playing for each other but he just isn't doing it. I fully expect Valencia to beat us on Tuesday! We as fans are more surprised when we win now as when we lose its no big shock! In Mourinho's interview after the game he seemed like a man who had no clue what to do next.

30 Sep 2018 20:09:09

I know. and it's such a shame.

I suppose that means I am showing my age. I am now, officially, a grumpy old man.

But City did take a while to get where they are today, it wasn't instant success, and Liverpool have taken a generation too.

The Klopp project has taken a few years, but they turned it around as did City.

Feeling nostalgic and remembering the good old days, when everything wasn't just about money. and football was fun.

{Ed025's Note - i remember those days as well jonny, sadly mate this is the world of today and its certainly not for the better..

30 Sep 2018 20:53:23
I have not previously called for Jose to be sacked, however I feel the only way forward is for him to leave.

It looks like he has lost the dressing room, partially if not totally.

There is usually no way back once that happens but maybe I am wrong.

The Jose and Pogba soap opera is embarrassing and making the club a laughing stock. Not quite at the level of his fallout at Chelsea but heading in that direction.

We don’t have a team as strong as City or Liverpool but with the players we have we should be competing against everyone else and capable of beating most.

We are massively underperforming with what players we have. I an 100% convinced that another coach could improve our results and style of play with the players that we currently have.

For those reasons Jose must now go and I have no issue if Pogba leaves aswell.

30 Sep 2018 20:21:22
Yes AJH. I can. But to my credit I also see the second big picture. Sack Jose to appease Pogba and the next manager should be called, "Pogba Assistant".

30 Sep 2018 21:10:21

Get rid of both.

Seems a good compromise, no?



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