28 Sep 2018 09:34:16
Now I'm not defending Pogba, his performances both on and off the pitch have been at best a mixed bag. Of course he has a right to live as he wants, get the hairstyle he wants, have the social life he wants and have the life style he wants. However, being in the public eye he will have to accept that certain actions will illicit a negative response. If he wants to be seen and respected as one of the best footballers in the world he has to act and perform like one of the best footballers in the world.
However, I struggle to understand some fans views on Pogba over this now very public spat with Jose.
Why is it okay for Jose to call out players publicly but not for a player to suggest the team should be playing a certain way?
I don't disagree with any of the comments Pogba has made about how the team SHOULD be performing.
Should he have said it publicly? Absolutely not, these disagreements should stay in house. However, can I blame him if his manager and leader is doing the exact same thing?
Jose sets the standard, the players will follow. If he is going to constantly throw players under the bus can we really be that surprised when one or two of them come out and try and defend themselves?
The whole thing is an ugly mess, no one has the high ground in this spat.
Both Pogba and Jose need to go asap. That probably means a January exit for Pogba. Jose should stay for now. We can't afford to make another snap decision. Zidane would be an awful choice. We need to bring in a DoF first, someone who can return an identity to the club, a continuity, in both philosophy and recruitment. Then this person whoever they turn out to be needs to find the right manager, the manager who they can work well with, a manager who will play with the correct philosophy and style. Then we can truly start rebuilding.
But before you can rebuild you need to knock down and clear away rot. That starts with Pogba and ends with Jose.
{Ed025's Note - top post that shappy..
28 Sep 2018 10:33:58
Agree with your post Snappy. No one should be making these statements out loud but I do understand the frustration of some players who do not look interested in playing for the club anymore. As players when they look around at other clubs, they can see how other coaches have made even average players perform brilliantly. Under Pep and Klopp players like Delph, Henderson etc are playing great. Not that they are bad players but their game has definitely improved. And there are not just a couple but too many examples. Salah, Mane, Sterling, Walker and many more have turned into world class players under their respective coaches. Marcelo was always a good player but no one can deny that he became even better when it came to attacking under Zidane.
Whereas our players with potential have only regressed and the ones who were good seem like they are kicking the ball first time in their life. Of course they have no right to publicly make comments but it's no surprise that players like Martial and pogba are looking to jump the ship.
28 Sep 2018 10:45:01
i think the fact pogba and his agent tried to get him a new club in the summer and his half hearted performances is the main reason us fans have had enough.
you don't see darmain kicking up a fuss or playing less than 100 percent because he didn't get his own way.
pogba is unprofessional and its not somthing we need in any football club nevermind our own.
28 Sep 2018 12:46:56
Shappy (and anyone else) agree with you, top post ;just out of interest when/ if JM is replaced if soon who would you like to see come in?
No one jumps out at this time to me, but, not ZZ and please god never allardyce or i'm changing career to be an assassin!
{Ed025's Note - at least allardyce would be an upgrade on the present incumbent cooky.. :)
28 Sep 2018 13:42:15
What two teams are I the best shape right now in England? Man City and Liverpool. How did that happen? Proper recruitment towards a philosophy over 2-5 years. In Manchester Cities case it was about bringing the two directors from Barcelona to set up peps arrival with the type of player he wants. In Liverpool's case it was the transfer committee buying the right profile of player to suit Jurgen Klopps style of play. Players between 22-26 years of age with an aggressive and expressive style of play along with a good attitude. Two clubs I can't stand. Unfortunately we are going to have to take a leaf out of their book and start this process. I cannot see this working with Jose. I think we are in better shape now then when he started after all the crap that was left after van gaals appointment but there's still no clear direction and philosophy. A strong director of football is needed with the goal of playing the United Way. If not then some sort of way.
28 Sep 2018 15:48:41
I think if u lose the ball in your half with a lazy attempt at showboating and then you make a lackluster attempt to track back and atone for mistake, you should be the last person to say 'attack attack attack'. Had i been standing next to him I'd have given him a smack on the head for being a spoilt brat. That being said, we lack a captain who won't tolerate such nonsense on the pitch and will reprimand players who attempt this among other things.
28 Sep 2018 13:38:57
Allardyce? Is this a joke ed? I don't understand why would you even joke like that? Allardyce is another primitive manager with old ways and tactics, we need a young, hungry, determined and adventurous manager. Someone with a plan for the future.
{Ed025's Note - i can joke about him RM because we have had the dubious delight of his management skills mate..
28 Sep 2018 15:05:06
ed025 ha ha mate- you're probably right . lol.
28 Sep 2018 17:08:59
Cookyman, that's a tough one without actually speaking to potential candidates to get the measure of them. Eddie Howe though is a man I would want to have a sit down with and discuss his thoughts on the role.
28 Sep 2018 19:42:07
I like Howe shappy. Issue is our structure from top to bottom is a mess. Expecting him to manage without a director of football could be a recipe for disaster. It’s no coincidence that the clubs who have worked on their restructuring of the running of their clubs are the ones who are currently reaping the rewards. City built for years before the arrival of pep. Our problem is far bigger than the manager. We have a non football man in Woodward running around expected to perform in the football side of things which just isn’t feasible.
Howe has some great attributes and could do some good things at united. But without the structure and support in place, he will crumble like Moyes, lvg and Jose. Moving from bournmouth to United is a big enough jump. I am sure we would play a better brand of football under someone like Howe. But he would end up the same way as the previous managers. There is an inherent problem in the club at the moment and changing managers may help in the short run, but until the fundamental problems are fixed, we will still be stuck in this vicious cycle.
29 Sep 2018 09:57:00
Shappy- I like howe moreover the style of football he likes his team to play and also his conduct/ persona but not sure if a bit of the moyes syndrome re., too much for him too soon . I wouldve loved Allegri but that ship has sailed i guess so there ain't too many out there. I would guess blanc could be looked at but as an outside the box thought- Jochim low *SP*.