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12 Sep 2018 12:52:27
Is Rashford wearing the number 10 for both club and country?
Quite a challenge to stay grounded considering this.

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12 Sep 2018 14:57:58
Im not sure it makes any difference what number ge wears jonny.
This week will have done is confidence no harm at all. 4 games over next 2 weeks will hopefully see him start a couple.

12 Sep 2018 17:05:50
Nice to see him finish but they were instinctive goals. Anything he has to think about he is often terrible. Even his goal against Spain was a poor finish (but great movement and put on a plate by Shaw exceptionally) .

Every time I watch him I come away feeling like he doesn't have a winners mentality, looks really clueless with the ball and is just good at running. He often doesn't beat a man with his raw pace either if running with the ball at his feet. He is far too raw for me to make it at the very top, he simply isn't good enough and even though he is young he seems to have that obliviousness that the very top players don't have.

He seems like a lovely young man, nothing against him at all, aside from the fact I don't think he is good enough to be a starter for Utd if we want to be among the best again any time soon. It's players like Rashford that sum up our drop off for me. He wouldn't be getting a kick 6-7 years ago, if he signed for a mid-table team he would drift into the wilderness. I can't see him getting into any first team regularly for the elite teams in Europe.

He hasn't improved since he first broke into the team and that is a big worry, he has reached his ceiling - cash in whilst the hype still exists or we will be stuck with another Januzaj, remember him?!

12 Sep 2018 17:07:09
Ken, the silly boy is going to be sitting in the stands for the next 3 games.

12 Sep 2018 18:18:52
True mumbles. He was stupid but i hope he learns from that. Might provide mata or martial with an opportunity.

12 Sep 2018 18:23:13
I hate to say it, but i agree with Beast more than a 100%. I would have said the same but Beast has said it better.

12 Sep 2018 18:49:39
But beast had Welbeck down as the best thing since sliced bread!? 😂 go figure 🤔.

12 Sep 2018 21:12:37
I disagree a shan and beast. i'm not one who says he should be replacing lukaku in the team as the main cf.
The kid is talented but very few 20yo cf are the finished article.
At times if we play 2 up he is a good option and a very good back up to lukaku at this stage of his career. He will start 20 plus games this season i guess in all comps and feature in 45. If he plays well of course.
I can't think of msny better back up strikers. Jansen at spurs? Solanke at pool? Ok jesus at city? Chelsea?
Beast i think it bodes well and its not a negative that he finished instinctively. Because with experience he will improve his conversion ratio when he has time. His decision making wull improve with experience.
He has lots of time on his side and right now possibly only chelsea of the top clubs would he be a starter.
I don't know if he will be better than welbeck for example i think he will.
Will he be another henry or RVN i doubt it but he is on a par with them at his age.
Why get rid? To replace him with a better no2 for the right money would be tough and he has plenty of time to fulfill his potential. He has never let himself down for effort or attitude and for me that bodes well for the future.
He is not a superstar but he has the potential to improve quite a bit.

12 Sep 2018 21:55:11
Great post that ken.

12 Sep 2018 22:11:11
I was not saying anything about his performances.
Just wondered if he really is level headed enough to not feel he‘s done it after being given the number 10 for both the national team and the biggest club in the country.
Hope he makes them his own and proves worthy of them.

13 Sep 2018 06:45:10
I’m with ken, he’s only 20and has huge potential. The challenge is continuing to develop, getting some good directions n and coaching, and moving up to the next level. There have been very few 20 year olds with his potential. We should cherish him.

13 Sep 2018 07:59:57
Looking at our squad we have three potentially great strikers, at least three very good/ great No.10's and no natural wingers.

Two of our three potentially great strikers are young and need minutes.

Personally I think we should be playing a diamond formation without wingers, making two striker positions available so that Rashford and Martial can rotate and play in their best position alongside Lukaku taking some of the strain off them and Lukaku.

While Sanchez, Lingard and Mata can fight it out for the No.10 position.

It would also give us a midfield three stopping us getting over run in the middle.

BOTH Rashford and Martial are potentially great players for us. However, we have to get them minutes in their best position if they are to reach that potential.

13 Sep 2018 08:43:53
If you took him as a 20 year old just breaking through I'd totally agree. But the guy has been around for a while now, he has played a lot of games and frankly being honest does he look better now than when he first broke onto the scene?

I think he has gone a bit backwards to be honest, all this 'learning from Zlatan and Romalu' lark seems to have held him up. The inconsistency of selection and position is an issue, but I'd have expected to see a lot more improvement. I fear that at the age of 23 he will be no better than he is now. I suppose a Theo Walcott is a better example (but he has less
brains and umpf about them than Theo, more natural talent but he doesn't know or can't be taught how to harness it) .

BTW - Welbeck I championed because he was worth more than £15m in my book, LVG wanted to play with wide players that would work hard and Danny works like a dog. His best asset is being able to rob defenders of the ball and therefore create an attack out of nothing with the opposition being out of position. He is a poor finisher and made of glass, but LVG needed him for his system - it was a complete contradiction selling him and really irritated me as I could tell the manager was clueless.

Also Welbeck was one of our own once, I imagine some of the people using Rashford coming from our youth system as a good excuse to keep him could be saying similar things about Rashford as they many others do about Welbeck in a few years.

I just don't think he is up to snuff and hope to be proven wrong, but Rash needs to actually improve rather than stand still for 3 years. We could probably get some team to pay £60m for Rashford now on hype and being English, in 3 years time if he stays with us I'd be amazed if we get more than £20m and that includes inflation - probably run his contract down, on account of limited games if I were to bet.

13 Sep 2018 09:54:26
Helooks like a rabbit in the headlights when he has time to think, but he is still a kid and would nurture him a while longer. Regarding his stupidity in getting a red: agree as he should have full blown nutted the dispicable little prick and made t worth while!
What is it with players playacting as if they've been shot to get some fellow pro a card?

13 Sep 2018 10:20:06
Mumbles he can play in Europe. ir is only a domestic ban.

13 Sep 2018 18:35:20
Its a domestic ban only.

13 Sep 2018 18:53:18
2 games for England, 2 goals, the lads gone backwards. I can’t believe the dismissing of a 20 year old.

13 Sep 2018 20:37:13
Beast i can see your point. I felt the same about shaw but for different reasons. While 4 games doesn't prove anything i'm very open to the fact i'm probably and i hope i am proven wrong.

As i said when we play 1 up front in our current squad he is not 1st choice. But if lukaku is injured for a periodof let's say 10 straight games i think rash could replace him and do well, but lukaku is the no1 choice for that position and i think that's the right chouce based on form.
If he does get a chance of a long run of games rash could well surprise a few.

14 Sep 2018 14:49:50
AJH - did you watch the games?

Ken - Of course at the minute we are short up top, but pretty much whenever Rashford leads the line he has been a non-entity. I'm not anti-Rash I just don't think he is good enough for Utd if we expect to be winning things. Golden opportunity to cash in on him whilst the hype is there imo, just from a commercial point of view. We could spend that money more wisely on a backup striker. Rashford can bring an X factor, but we only see it sporadically and it's not reliable enough. We have many players that turn up sporadically though so it isn't surprising. I'd love our players to perform 4/ 5 games, but most perform 1/ 5 to the level required.

14 Sep 2018 20:35:44
I know your not anti rash and i understand your point of view on this one but i think he still has a lot to offer and a lot to improve upon.
Not sure he will ever be a superstar the hype is very OTT. But that's the case with plenty of young english or young united players.

14 Sep 2018 23:06:43
I don't buy into he is young and only 20 business. Just look at the french kid Mbappe, similar age and he is getting better by the year and way way above the quality of Rashford
Mbappe is so cool infront of goal he looks natural. Rashford will never have this, its something you either have or you don't.







 

 

 
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