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29 Aug 2018 10:19:55
I think with all the mourinho bashing we forgot one positive from the spurs game luke Shaw. I think he had a really good start to the season and he played somewhere near what we know he can. I'm hoping he nails down the lb position this year and can become the player we know he has the potential to be.

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29 Aug 2018 10:31:20
Maybe didn't need to spend 70 mil on sandro after all.

29 Aug 2018 11:14:18
We didn’t.

29 Aug 2018 11:31:40
Really happy for Luke Shaw, really want it to work for him at United.

29 Aug 2018 11:54:49
I really hop we get that LW position sorted, so he can build a relationship with whoever plays there. We miss relationships all over the pitch, we need to start nailing down regular starters and persisting to build up some teamwork.

29 Aug 2018 12:37:45
Fantastic to see. He really looks like a new player. Well done to the gaffer on that one. Knew Shaw needed a kick and Shaw has responded really well. I hope he can nail that down.

29 Aug 2018 12:47:09
And yet he was slagged off for that approach. I think he's making do with what he's got. It depends on Shaw though. Can he keep it up and is he looking for a new deal or running it down.

29 Aug 2018 13:04:09
Jose been very complimentary about Shaw this season, and give him a run of games.
Completely different approach from previous 2 years and look at the difference .

Shaw got constant abuse on here, was part of the dead wood that had to be sold .

Maybe some of our players aren't as bad as some lime to make out?

Imagine if we could get the rest of them to play well?

29 Aug 2018 12:53:15
Imagine if the gaffer could get the rest of the players playing well?
Nice to see Shaw proving a few wrong tho.

29 Aug 2018 13:37:36
Shaw do8ng better than i expected. Its only 3 games if he sustains tbus form he will earn a new contract. Good man management but the credit must go very much to the player. I wonder will some others start to listen to and heed the manager. If they do they will improve too i'd guess.
Still miles short of where we need to be squad wise but if dalot and fred come on as good as shaw things will improve for sure.

29 Aug 2018 13:44:36
Do you think he will sign a new deal though? There has been a lot of water under the bridge and he could put himself in the shop window this season going into the last year of his deal.

29 Aug 2018 13:50:09
If he is playing and playing well why not but he will also be in a strong position.

29 Aug 2018 13:51:15
He says he wants a new deal. Maybe he is telling porkies.

29 Aug 2018 14:57:56
I'll admit, i'd have got rid if i'd have been charge. Fair play to him so far but 1 swallow doesn't make a summer. If he's still going like this at the new year then great.

29 Aug 2018 15:27:55
Jred do you not think the way he has handled Shaw was the way he felt was necessary and proven right?

He gave him a right kick, especially publicly and luke Shaw has since knuckled down, was one of the fittest on the pre season tour. It's no coincidence that Jose has started to praise him now. Maybe, just maybe, Jose knew how to get the best out of him?

Jred, Shaw proving nothing to no one except himself. The majority on here knew the talent that lad possessed. However, what was doubted was his work ethic and want to reach his potential. All of his previous managers including Jose hammered him for that. Maybe they all knew something we didn't?

Now he is starting to show what he can do, Jose praising publicly, arm round shoulder etc.

Good man management right there IMO.

By the way, it is still early doors. But I'm sure you'll be trying to play the 'told you so' card for a while. Tis your style.

29 Aug 2018 15:54:29
So was it bad management for the 2 years Shaw has struggled.
Is it bad management for martial form?
Sanchez bailly lindelof pogba?

29 Aug 2018 16:26:31
Tbf I think most hoped shaw would succeed. There is a lot of players like Smalling, Rojo, Jones etc. I’d gladly see shipped out shaw however is one that has the ability. He has played well this season, maybe Jose has coached him to be better over this time, but then again that doesn’t fit the narrative does it.

29 Aug 2018 17:56:55
Jred the chap has not played 10 games in row. Its not the managers fault he was unfit and overweight. Its down to the player.
Same as its not the magares fault bailly was shocking against brighton. i'm pretty sure he has been coached since the age of 6 not to dive in rashly.
Players have a responsability to perform the basics and a lot of them aren't or havent. If pogba and martial and co do as instructed and stop fighting a battle they won't win then they will improve like shaw I've no doubt about that.
Sure the manager has his faults but players are responsible for their own performance levels. The passing has been shocking this season. Mckenna and carrick have been holding the sesdions too. Nobody on the coaching staff instructs sancez to or jesdie or rash to give the ball away 50% of the time with poor passes.
Was klopp to blame for karius?
Was pep to blame for zabelta?
No it was the players not being able to do the basics.

29 Aug 2018 18:50:24
Honestly, Shaw was overweight and didn't apply himself well enough, that's well documented.

Jose called him out particularly last season and since the summer we have all seen a Shaw that hasn't been seen in a united shirt. Luke Shaw is to be commended for his desire to want to do that. But. Jose did have a hand in that. Shaw was a player that has had many issues, those highlighted by more than one ex manager of his. But here is the kick up the back side and an arm around his shoulder. I know you don't like Jose but it's right in the face that it worked.

I think Bailly has been very good for us. The game against Brighton was very poor. Not sure Jose can be blamed for that, but I know you'll find a way I'm sure.

Again, as I said, don't become a toxic, get behind the manager, not try and pick everything that you feel is wrong. We've won a few trophies, finished 2nd last year behind a much better team but are currently going through a bad patch. Try not to be one of those that wants to say 'told you so', be condescending etc.

Just get behind the team and Jose and when the time is right, you'll get what you want and he will move on.

Come on jred!

29 Aug 2018 20:05:51
Its just the way he is angel.

29 Aug 2018 21:07:16
How about the both of you get behind the players?
Slag Shaw of all season he plays well it's down to Jose.
If he plays bad it down to Shaw.
Same for martial pogba Sanchez.
Never Jose fault if it's going wrong .
Masterstroke by Jose if a player played well?

Toxic from you's 2 who have spent most of your time slagging our players off?
81 points 2nd is Jose being Jose well done.

You will be telling me next that Jose deserve credit for Pereira having 1 decent game next .
Wait that was last week, he hasn't done as well since so is that's Jose fault?

30 Aug 2018 00:17:22
Jred nobody on this site or any where else believes we have a strong enough squad to win the league. There are players here who have proved they are consistently inconsistent and some have been here a long time and some a short time. Some for big money some not.
Nobody on here says everything the players do is all right or all wrong.
The exact same goes for the manager.
But your like the players consistently inconsistent.
You said on a post last week you believe jose should be our manager this season.
Then in another post said he is yesterdays man can't bring the club forward a poor man manager. You question peoples support of him regularly.
So why do you believe he should be our manager this seadon?
Why do you belive he should be our manager this seadon and continually slag him off or question just about everything he does? .
Why is it ok for you to do that with the manager as a manchester united supporter but not ok for other supporters to do that of players?
Is it ok for you to question the managers decisions personality demeanour or performance or attitude etc etc etc? Yes i believe it is.
But jred its also ok for other manchester united supporters to do the same of the players.
You may not agree with peoples opinions but you're no different.
As poor as shaw has been at times over the past 4 years i called it as i saw it. Just like you did with depay or matic when he was jaded at the end of the season. Or like you do with the manager.
If shaw goes on to have a great career ill bet you any money you like he will credit our current manager for helping him along the way. you seem to forget lvg was not picking him for long periods when available too.
But if you read my posts i said the majority of the credit goes to the player himself. He has listened he has worked hard he has earned his chance. I posted during the live match that he know needs tolerance when he makes a mistake from the manager and his previous detractors. He will get it from me for sure. He has earned it.

30 Aug 2018 07:26:26
Jred, don't be getting your knickers in a twist.

You're very condescending with your posts. The constant I told you sos and passive aggressive questions are all getting very tiresome.

You have your favourites, we all know that.

But now is not the time to be slagging off the manager or getting all riled up when our opinions differ.

Just get behind them all.

The majority of our players at this club have underperformed for more than one manager, or maybe unfortunately that's just their level?

One thing I know is right till then end I'll support moyes, lvg and Jose. I hope you will do the same.

30 Aug 2018 09:48:33
Ken Angel you's 2 come as a double act .
I will answer your question on Jose and back my opinion even tho neither of you's ever answer a question just give an other opinion as fact .

I would give Jose another 12 month because he finished second and deserves it, deserves the chance to prove he can continue to improve the team .

Talking about the title is just hiding behind the issues.
City have a great squad great manager getting the best out of his players?
Never mind the title we have just been beat of Brighton and stuffed of spurs honestly what has that got to do with city?

Angel don't reply to them then, truth is you don't answer any question or banter on what is a banter site . Just opinion after opinion .
Again you say back the manager.
Again no mention of the team or the players .
Players like managers have dips in form, doesn't mean there a cancer there have a bad attitude, there dead wood, have to be sold etc etc .
While they have the shirt I want them to do well, reach there potential others can't wait until there out the club, actually want them to fail .
But then post back the manager?

30 Aug 2018 11:40:58
Fair play to Shaw he looked good. Can’t quite decide if it was the novelty of seeing a left footed left back ply for us, or if he was in fact half decent?!

30 Aug 2018 12:45:01
Who wants our players to fail jred?
Name the posters that want our players to fail please
Another reckless and inaccurate hyberbole comment based on what goes on in your head.
So you believe a manager that you say can't bring the club forward and is awful in nearly every respect should stay in his job.
Then go on to slate him in everyway.
Jeez i'd hate to be stuck in the trenches with you. More faces than big ben.

30 Aug 2018 13:08:38
Never said he is awful in every aspect your just desperately trying to make things up, in fact have said time and again he done well last season .
Of course you and others want and enjoy it when players you don't like don't play well it backs up your get rid of the dead wood approach .
Same people have the knives out for the same players .

Yet again tho like I said above you failed to answer a question and back up your opinion.
It's opinion after opinion with no attempt to back it it up and discuss it . Then just an attempts to find holes in other people's point of view with question after question with out backing up your own.

30 Aug 2018 13:21:43
I’m expecting Shaw to be dropped for the Burnley game with Young getting a recall 😂.

30 Aug 2018 14:25:24
He'll have a bad game at some point. Just hope José understands that can happen, and not stick him back on the bench at the first opportunity, or drop him completely á la Bailly.

30 Aug 2018 14:52:49
How ya Ken. Never met you, don't know you. That is some double act 🤣🤣

Jred, relax pal, it's only football.

I can't help it if you don't get all the 'banter' that goes on. I apologise if I don't get your sense of humour or banter all the time either. Sometimes difficult when writing all the time. I'm sure it would be different if we were sat round a table with a few pints.

But I do try and give the most levelled and objective view as often as I can.

I don't always find you as forthright with your answers. I find your posts very condescending, I told you so, rhetorical questions a lot of the time. But if I don't like it, I'll ignore it.

Again, don't be getting upset, tis only football.

Ken, we should talk about this double act business, there might be money to be had 🤣🤣.

30 Aug 2018 17:02:40
Lol that above post of yours is as about condescending as they get , but like all post it can be the mindset you read them in .
I think I at least attempt to answer a question or back up a point of view .

30 Aug 2018 17:12:53
Angel i have no intention of taking the king clowns title from him.
To suggest i ever want any united player to play poorly is nonsense and speaks volumes about little mans mind set.
A pathetic piint of view totally inaccurate and total folly. Fully expected.

30 Aug 2018 17:17:54
Jred it's not meant to be. I am trying to be genuine about it. And then just taking the mick a bit with Ken.

I just thought you were getting a bit annoyed about it.

Honestly, I don't, I just read, try and write my view of a post as best as possible and then get on with it. It's only a forum at the end of the day. I might read things wrong at times or write them wrongfully too but don't mean anything by it.

I want to see the best out of some of the players in the squad, whether Jose can do that or not I'm not sure. But there is a trend with many of those within the squad who have not performed consistently well for our team over a long period of time. And I honestly, hand on heart, can not blame the manager. There comes a time where players have to stand up and be counted for themselves and the club they play at.

On Jose, I am no big believer in him by any means but I feel he is really getting it in the neck from all angles at the moment and I think that it is not too far down the line he will be replaced. But I remember Fergies words. if you can't support us when we lose, don't support us when we win. Now is one of those times where things aren't going well and now more than ever that squad of players need to know we are behind the manager of that squad. Otherwise players will start to perform worse while smelling blood.

I get he doesn't like Manchester (don't blame him) . Took the job at the wrong time (as ed has said, the club is not progressive, which will not just be an issue for jose but for others too IMO) But he still wants to succeed, that is undeniable. We need to see this out with him but most importantly for the club. if he goes, THE CLUB is in a worse place.

30 Aug 2018 17:22:24
Jred maybe in your own mind you think that's what you genuinely do but as 1 person on reading your posts you don't come across like that at all.



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