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04 Aug 2018 20:52:41
Wherever pogba ends up be it Manchester or Spain, I see he is very committed to his football, and I don't care if someone says he was in a world cup final or needs a break,
I'm not interested in that waffle
The league next week and he puts up a video stuck outside in the middle of a jungle.
Fair dedication from the show pony.
Everyone is entitled to a break.
4 days off I had this summer and I do real work. He does my head in.

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04 Aug 2018 21:27:27
Bit harsh.

04 Aug 2018 21:50:49
Not sure it’s that harsh Park mate. PP seems obsessed with his image, a little more commitment to his club wouldn’t go amiss. I have no issue with his dance moves, his hair colour, or his lifestyle, assuming he does the business on the pitch. Last year, he rarely did that.

04 Aug 2018 22:08:09
I thought he was our best midfielder last year and the criticism he gets is grossly unfair.

04 Aug 2018 22:15:07
That’s the point. Put yourself in the media spotlight and expect to be scrutinised even further. His appearances last have been ok. Nothing more, nothing less. I won’t be sad if he leaves but we do need a replacement beige he is allowed to go.

Kovacic, Thiago or Kroos please. I’d even go for Ramsey at Arsenal. Or just bring Scholsey out of retirement.

04 Aug 2018 22:15:14
Banf on target guys! Pogba thinks he's already made it. He needs a kick up the arse.

04 Aug 2018 22:21:50
While I understand in principle what you guys are saying, I think we have to appreciate that this is a different generation and breed of footballers than in the past. I am one of the younger posters and have not lived through the pre Fergie times like yourselves and many other posters, so perhaps the social media age is not as much of a issue for me. I would much rather see a player messing around on social media, acting harmlessly, rather than being out drinking and enjoying the fame and party lifestyle that comes with being a footballer.

I agree that his commitment levels to the club have been unacceptable, especially the way he knuckled down and out in very good performances for his country during the World Cup. His talent is immense and I would be gutted to see him go. If we get an adequate replacement (Thiago, Milinkovic-Savic or Kroos) then the blow would be softened. I don’t think pogba has been as bad as everyone makes out. I know statistics only tell part of the story but they show how integral he is to our play. I think he will have a big season this year and really step up. Question is where? I hope it is at united and we would be poorer side without him. Just my opinion of course.

04 Aug 2018 22:26:41
Every team needs a scapegoat.

04 Aug 2018 22:37:34
Took same holiday as jessie and young didn't he?

04 Aug 2018 22:40:35
A player who is more worried about himself over the club! So what.

04 Aug 2018 22:46:34
It's endemic in modern footballers and tbh I have no problem as long as as the day job is dealt with competently.

Maybe I'm a little old fashioned but the videos, silly dances and handshakes do nothing for me I enjoy watching players ho look like they ant to play regardless of circumstance.

04 Aug 2018 23:08:18
Jesse is back training.

04 Aug 2018 23:10:57
He put himself about for France. He was very good, putting in tackles working hard, that my biggest problem with him, I've seen him play half a good game for United against city.

04 Aug 2018 23:15:10
His social media antics or what ever h3 does outside of utd doesn't bother me. What bothers me is that he doeant want to be at united and only came here because he disnt get his preferred move to spain. He doesn't look happy and is no point in keeping a unhappy player. There is no doubt he is talented although he hasn't shown it so far at united .

04 Aug 2018 23:22:35
it is a good job roy keane is not playing now.

04 Aug 2018 23:38:30
Singh I agree. I'd have no problem with the social media and sky blue haircuts if he played like he cared.
I mean look at how proud Herrera was to be captain in pre season, now there's a boy who will play for the shirt.

05 Aug 2018 01:07:39
Very true Leahy.

05 Aug 2018 02:50:21
How dare he take the break he’s entitled to in his contract!

Say what you want about his performances but fact is we’re worse when he’s not in the side. His performances are criticised so heavily because of his price. If he’d cost 20m everyone would be saying how amazing he is. Deny that if you want but I’ll still believe the same.

As for him being unhappy and not committed, I’d probably be the same if I had to deal with Jose. Pogba will go elsewhere and be great, same as Martial.

05 Aug 2018 04:11:55
Can't see anything being done with pogba at this stage. No time to get a replacement and I'm surprised nobody has taken the plunge on him.
Chelsea have made the best midfield signing imo jorghino is my tip for best signing of the summer so far. let's hope we pull a couple of if the bag before Thursday.

05 Aug 2018 07:34:52
Pogba isn’t s scapegoat, nobody is saying he doesn’t deserve his holiday or that his hair colour is an issue. My understanding is he didn’t really want to come to us but we were the only club prepared to pay the money, his performances for us have been underwhelming, and I think most of us are frustrated as he has the attributes to be one of the best.

I would have agreed with ken about him not moving until I saw the press reports this morning about Barcelona putting together £100M for him.

As jred said, this week could see a lot of twists and turns.

05 Aug 2018 08:14:12
Hello Ed001, I know you guys are busy and all. I hope my reply here wasn't out of line because it wasn't posted.


Thanks.

{Ed001's Note - I have no idea, I never dealt with it or seen one, sorry.}

05 Aug 2018 08:31:45
Pogba for us, is nowhere near the player he can be. IMO he was our best midfielder last season yet we are all still pretty underwhelmed by his time here, which shows the expectations of him. He showed at the world cup just how good he can be.

For me, if he goes to a side like Barca, Real, PSG etc he will fulfil his potential and be seen as one of the best players in the world.

This isn't a criticism of Mourinho as some players just don't fit certain managers styles but as long as Mourinho is here and Pogba is here, Pogba will never be the player he can be. If we can get a replacement of the quality of SMS and are able to sell Pogba for over £100m, I think we should. Though that is very unlikely with such a short time left in the window.

05 Aug 2018 08:34:49
Thanks Ed001.

{Ed001's Note - welcome sorry I can't help.}

05 Aug 2018 08:47:06
Great point Leahy.

The Spanish players Herrera, Mata and De Gea have really embraced Manchester and United. Taking into account the clubs history etc.
Where as Martial and Pogba do not appear to be the same. Their image is that they sulk when things don’t go their way and that they won’t go the extra mile for the manager or team. My views on them may be incorrect to what they are thinking but their actions and body language make me feel this way.

05 Aug 2018 08:58:02
Ken I'm not one bit surprised no team wants him. He is overpriced, his wages are overpriced I mean about 400 thousand a week overpriced
I don't know boys but the money we paid was top money for a midfielder at the time so you expect a lot better from the player than just trotting around the field.
You can make all the excuses you want but in no other job would you get away with it.
But just cause he is Paul pogba he can do what he likes
Out the door for me but if he stays I will have no other choice but support him because I support Manchester United.

05 Aug 2018 09:24:37
The way transfers have gone fees have spiralled and wages have inflated everyone in football is ovepriced. But its the game we all love. On the performances for club vs country personally i feel you can't compare it. The pride of winning a world cup for your country than winning a premiership for a team you don't support. Jose wanted pogba he wanted a cm n that's who he got he must of known his style of play ed002 told us he can be seen as lazy. i'm not sure what's wrong with him enjoying his holiday the club knew some players may not be back. Jose personally asked young to come back when tony v got injured there was no uproar he wasnt at training the next day.

05 Aug 2018 09:39:40
The boy is a massive talent we should be looking to get the best out of player with his talent .
If you can't get the best out of a player like pogba, your in trouble .
We should buy sms? A massively overrated player who is no better than pogba.

05 Aug 2018 10:57:58
Jred while i agree that's what we should be doing in pogbas case i fear you will never get the best from a player who wants to leave.
Arguably savic stats are better than pogbas in that same league. Playing for a far worse team not that that is the most reliable info its a decent indicator of his ability. Savic lile pogba was is overpriced but is covated by every top side on europe but like pogba no body is yet prepared to meet his clubs high price tag. He is one of the most prmising talents about. Is he right for us? We won't know that unless we sign him but I've no doubt if we did he would do better than pogba has for last 2 years for whatever reason.
Personally i think pogba will do well with us if he stays but if he doesn't there is a high chance it will turn into a very negative circus like situation. If he doesn't want to be there will he be mature enough to give his all? that's not up to the coach its up to the player.
I think he will knucle down and play great but it won't take much to derail the situation if we he hits a few road bumps.

05 Aug 2018 11:13:47
Your right jred. but you should have put if the manager can't get the best out of player like pogba he should be in trouble.

05 Aug 2018 11:31:50
So, suddenly Pogpa knuckled down more in the world cup than the league. We probably were using the same players, system and tactics.

Or maybe he played the same role for both teams.

I don't care about antics off the pitch though I believe on the pitch, it's the responsibility of the players to perform but the biggest responsibility falls on the shoulders of the manager.

Simply put, Mourinho doesn't know how to get the best out of his players or he does but is too stubborn to change because it would mean he was wrong and others are right.

It's amazing the kind of crap people spit out. The same person defending Lingard for still being on holiday while Rashford is back is attacking Pogba for being on holiday and shooting videos for sponsors - which is also part of his job as the promotional face of Manchester United + Adidas advertisement ammo.

Furthermore, Pogba has already explained that he is put through his paces daily by his personal trainer to ensure he is fit.

I'm tired of Mourinho but I'll stand by him till the day he leaves, regardless of that, I blame him for non performance of our team rather than the players themselves.


We have medics on warfront for 5 years no days off some have died or lost limbs but they're not complaining that Leahy is in a conducive and peaceful environment getting 4 whole days off. Just cos you had 4 days off and you ended up doing work doesn't mean another person shouldn't get 300 days off.

It isn't relative.

That's why I'm surprised with all the people comparing their work nature and thinking others have it easy. No, they're not the same.


On a final note this team and players we are all attacking and castigating with the right mangers may not have won the league last season but will damn sure have given city a run for their money. Guardiola, Heynckes hell, even Bielsa would have done a better job.

Which better job?

Not winning any trophy but at least, having a football identity, a pattern, a style.

We know Chelsea's, Arsenal's, City's, Liverpool's or Tottenham's.

What is our current football identity? Style of play? Or is that also Pogba's fault?


I fell in love with our style of play which led me home, took me home.


Now I wonder how many young ones will watch us and be led to OT.

05 Aug 2018 11:45:21
Jred,

1. It should be a manager's shame that another manager (a bad one in my opinion) can get the best out of a player by switching tactics and formation. Mourinho stubbornly tries to play a system that doesn't fit his best player (no arguments here) .


2. A manager should be at fault if he can't get the best of his personnel. The players are also culpable. But manager most.


3. Paul Pogba played 13 less games from season's 38 yet was outshone by KDB with 2 goals and 11 assists. A player in a stronger team playing a system that suits him.
We say Pogba was poor. If that's his poor performance, I'd rather have him and try my best to improve him than throw him away. Cos at his worst, he was rated in top 10 players of the season by all statistical and analysis outlets.


4. We get SMS and he doesn't fit in or Mourinho refuses to adjust, what then? We sell him and get Kroos? People here shouting down rooftops for Kroos, Modric or Veratti will be shocked.


5. Most of the people who have been supporting Manchester United for the past 25 years will tell you what got them hooked, what took them home the United road. Now tell me the new generation of kids, what will pull their hearts to Manchester United? Heritage? If it were heritage I would have gone with Liverpool when I began supporting us almost.


6. Every team has an identity - Chelsea, Arsenal, Tottenham Liverpool, City, a pattern, a style such that even on its bad day you know the purpose or intent of the players. But even on our best day, we can't say what our football identity is, what the manager wants to stamp, to instill (is it total defense, one-route-football, physically overpower opponents? What is it? )


7. To the issue of Pogba's holidaying? I don't understand Leahy. Should Pogba lock up and cry or what? He won the World Cup, he dreams of traveling places and he has a very short holiday. He hasn't come back overweight or unfit. He eats healthy and is with his personal trainer who puts him through his paces daily.

You're complaining you had only 5 days of which you were working well boohoo! There are medics at warfront for 5 years without a break do they complain that you're getting it easy? It isn't relative cos there are people who work 5 days a year and rest 360 days, should we all be up in arms?


8. And about the videos, pictures and all. Hope you do realize that Pogba is the face of Manchester United and Adidas campaign advertisements. So some of those things are actually generating revenue for the club (& don't start about the income being invested or not, it isn't my argument) .


9. Provided Mourinho does not adjust to the world of football as it has changed and decides to stick to his archaic methods, he will continue to be trumped by managers and teams who do so.


10. I'm of course hurt as you're about our situation but I choose to see the truth. Take our team of last season and give to Guardiola, Pochettino, Klopp, even Bielsa. Even if we don't win, you'll see an identity, an intention and beautiful beautiful football football. I don't care if you say some of these teams finished behind us. Because if we lay the foundations for good/ beautiful football, we can build on that and try to challenge for silverware. Now we don't have the silverware, we don't have an identity and here is almost everyone blaming Pogba.

SMH.

05 Aug 2018 11:46:58
Ken
You address the issue as to why the player is unhappy at the club

Using stats to compare 2 players in different teams playing different roles in different leagues is a stretch.

It wasn't that long ago you were telling everyone pogba was the missing link was going to be the best cm in the world etc .
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Now you have no doubt that sms would be better?

05 Aug 2018 11:52:32
He doesn't want to play for us so we should let him leave. There is no two ways around it. Player should be happy playing for you and if he isn't then ther3 is no point wasting your energy.

05 Aug 2018 12:06:01
Singh
Rubbish again do you think players are always happy always get what they want?
Can you remember fergy chasing after cantona .
Your such an expert them tell me what the issue is with pogba why he is so he'll bent never to play for United again?

05 Aug 2018 12:13:03
Manchester united crest is the face of United not Paul pogba.
Stats lol
If I stood in the middle of the pitch and kick the ball in to the keepers hands that's a shot on target.
Pogba didn't play half to what he should, he has the talent but would rather sulk.
Did you read what ed002 just said.
He is available for transfer, if he stays the club are stuck with a player that's not wanted, but hey you might know more.

05 Aug 2018 12:13:03
Pogba doesn't want to play for us, Martial doesn't want to play for us. At several times times last season we've had several other players like Rashford, Herrera, even Bailly not wanting to play for us.

There sure must be a common denominator in this equation and we know who it is.

Don't know how true it is (99.99% of these media guys are spitting BS) but there was news that Kovacic was not interested in coming here because of the manager and his style of play.

05 Aug 2018 12:45:52
Jred read the post. I was compari g savic stats to pogbas as young players in serie a.
Your so hell bent on having an argument you don't read.
Come on little denis wise up.

05 Aug 2018 13:05:25
Ken
3 years apart for different clubs .
You told us all time and again pogba was the missing part best cm in the world .
Trying to use stats to compare players, even Dennis wise isn't that daft, it just grasping at straws
Now sms would " no doubt " do better.

It's just an other case of i want a shinny new toy .

Singh so we should get rid of pogba e an if we don't sign a replacement.

05 Aug 2018 13:14:39
Well, if that's the case Manchester United should stop trying to buy a "poster boy".

How would he play half of what he should have been played out of position and in a system not suited to his strengths? Is that so difficult to understand?

Furthermore, people always see him as lazy because he's big and strong he is expected to burst a lung. That's isn't him (and it doesn't mean he doesn't put in a shift) .

I wish I could remember who it was attacking Lukaku earlier in the season during the live chat even hailing Morata and wishing we had gotten Morata.

Wish I could reference the person.

You all can say what you like but Manchester United do want Pogba and the only reason they want him gine is because the manager has made it his choice, also seeing that, with player/ agent power, Pogba has Droid up to Mourinho in his own way and that's why they would part.

If a new manager were to walk in and demand that Pogba is key to his scheme then he stays.

Ed002 has already explained that players, staff (including coaching team) are transient.

So stop making it look like Pogba is being pushed out of the door for another reason.

A manager going as far as supporting Fellaini holding us to ransom, a club that cannot push out its deadwood players and cannot attract the right players yet the fans are going crazy because their best and most creative player is on holiday.

Bollocks.

05 Aug 2018 13:18:38
Your the expert Jred don't forget you are a top manager. You should tell me why he loves playing for united or why should mourinho beg him to stay.

05 Aug 2018 13:27:12
That's awfull language to use.
The club want your messiah gone
The manager want your messiah gone
Fellani holding man United ransom lol
The manager wants him
But if he could do a few step overs and slow down play like pogba he would be fine.

05 Aug 2018 14:21:04
Singh
Because he is under contract .

So again why is pogba so desperate to get out of United.
What is going on at a top club like United when they break the transfer record for a player like pogba only for him to want out after 18 month.

So you would be happy for pogba to leave and us not sign a fancy new name?

05 Aug 2018 15:26:22
Yes jred i think savic would do better than pogna has done the last 2 seasons.
Pogba has been good but not great i think savic would do at least as well.
You were one of pogbas biggest critics last season.
We all know he can do better i think that would be helped by having better players around.
You told everyone on here he was not the main man in juve midfield most agree with that me included he is not the type of player many percieve him to be or want him to be.
My preference is to get the right players alongside him so he can shine. Is fred the answer? I don't know but i hope so. He still needs better options and support from the full backs to stretch the pitch.
Pogbas best assets are not complimented by our squad imo.

05 Aug 2018 15:30:51
Jred when did i say pogba was best cm in the world?

05 Aug 2018 15:33:32
Ken his biggest critic because he can do better .
You told us all time and again pogba was going to be the best cm in the world .
Now your telling us savic is better.

Pogba is a better player than MSM if we can't get a top player like him playing well dear me .
Maybe like a lot of players and the team he is not suited to the boring footy Jose plays .

A team like United having to sell a player like pogba because his attacking style doesn't suit us .

05 Aug 2018 15:46:36
Ken
I told you a few month ago not to surprised if pogba left this summer . as all ways u didn't listen I shot me down .
Now pogba isn't that good MSM would of done better no doubt?
Pogba wasn't the player u made out although he can reach that level.

MSM isn't the player your trying to make out .
If ed hadn't mentioned anything you would still be fully behind pogba.

05 Aug 2018 16:10:34
Are you reading. I am still behind pogna don't want him to leave. I've said that a dozen times .
In 2 years he has not been great. I tjink savic would pass those levels easily that's how much pogna has under performed why can't you understand a simple statement its not too dificult.
I never said savic was bettet or had more potential.
I said now read it slowly.
Savic coming in would do better than pogba has done last 2 seasons.
Its a low benchmark for players of that quality should not be too dificult for even you to understand.
If pogba is hell bent on leaving then he should go imo. But i'd try to get him back o side first.

05 Aug 2018 16:46:37
Ken
Is pogba hell bent on leaving?
If the manager wants him gone why do u want him to stay . Because the amount of times you have posted. Back the manager . Get rid of the players Jose doesn't want
You think savic would pass pogba but you also thought pogba would be the best in the world?

Read this slowly .
We discussed pogba you were adamant he was the best cm in the world .
I tried to say that wasn't the case .
I tried to say he didn't really want to come as did the ed . You said you knee the lad he wants Manchester?
Months ago I let you know he wanted out you disagreed said we wouldn't get rid of a talent like him etc etc .

Your now telling me msm would do better than a cm you were adamant was the best in the world.
I've said it before but I now take it with a pinch of salt.







 

 

 
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