30 Jul 2018 17:09:20
Just to add to Mumbles great post down the page which I really agree with it might be worth taking a look at some of the pictures released today from training and look at what seems to be a fun and relaxed atmosphere in the camp.
It is almost as if the players don't spend all day miserable and upset at what Jose said in a 2 minute press conference.
30 Jul 2018 17:16:20
I think too many fans hang on every last word that jose’s Says in the press and believe he is like that with the players behind closed doors. As the Eds have stated, we should take what he says with a pinch of salt. The atmosphere looks great and the media are just trying to spin things to split the united fan base. I do agree at times Jose’s demeanour can be very difficult to stomach and I would like to see him a bit more positive. But I suppose he is standing up to the owners rather than being a yes man. I expect us to get two signings at least in and a third would be a massive bonus.
30 Jul 2018 17:44:20
Too many naive people but others just using the current hyberbole to push their agenda on here. Lots of time lots of things will change before the end of the window. Maybe not as many as jose would like or indeed as i would like but hopefully enough to make a difference.
30 Jul 2018 17:48:10
By all accounts the mood on tour has been really good.
30 Jul 2018 18:03:19
Its only been good after the prozac pill run and the bullying workshops are complete mort.
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30 Jul 2018 18:09:43
Should we take in to account that ed said Jose isn't happy and hates life in Manchester as well?
Two sides to every argument the Jose one is split between the fans who can't see Jose doing any wrong it's the club it's the players it's the press .
And another camp that every thing is Jose fault win a cup means nothing, 2nd in the league meanas nothing .
Both as bad as each other.
30 Jul 2018 18:29:25
Jred,
There is also a middle ground that think there are good and bad on both sides and that judging Jose on this ore season is quite frankly stupid.
30 Jul 2018 18:49:27
Gds
I don't think many are judging him on the pre season pal .
17 players missing for the last match I think many of the issue go back further .
But the whole " people are judging Jose on pre season " is good example how things get twisted .
30 Jul 2018 18:51:41
For the record 86 points and second in the league playing like we are is par for the course .
Jose doing what he does love him or hate him .
Respect what he has done .
But also stop making silly excuses .
It's just Jose doing what he does and fair play to him.
30 Jul 2018 18:53:31
Not entirely true or an accurate statement at all jred. I don't know anybody on here that renders jose as blameless on all accounts. I don't know anybody on here happy with the style from last season.
Sure i tend to agree with a lot of what the manager says but not all he says and does i think that's true of all his supporters.
Is there a 3rd camp? If not which of the 2 camps you say exits are you in or are you special and have a camp all of your own.
Your no different to most i guess which is you think the manager could do better in some areas and players could also do better.
Im not making any excuse for him on funds spent. i'm just saying that no matter what has been spent and please be assured the manager does not negotiate fees or agree wages it has nothing to do with him at all there is still glaring difficiences in the squad. He wants to fill those difficiences but the club can't spend all he wants on who he wants so he has to make do with filling what he can and prioritise.
Im sure if we had not blown 30m on a kid after 1 season or over spent on lindelof pogba martial and lukaku. As per ed002 miles more than any other club were prepared to pay we could have had a new rb and lb aswell but we are where we are. So imo jose is getting the best results possible with what he has but the style is awful. i'm quite sure there are any amount of managers out there that would have our squad playing 'better' football to watch but i'm just as sure none of them would have got 86 points with this squad last year. that's my opinion. i'm not a jose 'fanboy' i just believe nobody would get more points with this squad. I also believe that with the right additions he will have us challenge for the title.
30 Jul 2018 19:46:06
Most people who know football, know pre-season's don't count for sh1t. But if it helps people use it for their particular argument, fair enough.
I think most people's problems with José go further back than that. Like when he wanted to go to Paris. I owe the man no loyalty seeing as he'd have been away like a shot if he could.
I also think his constant whingeing, and blaming everything and everyone, demeans the position he's in. He's managing Man Utd for flip sake.
I do agree with him over this tour. Absolutely pointless exercise, and stupid scheduling after a World Cup.
30 Jul 2018 19:58:25
Surely Jose earns enough cash to get about and see his family as well as live in such palatial luxury that he might not even know he’s in Manchester. apart from the truly awful weather!
30 Jul 2018 20:16:21
The tour was a complete shambles Stevie i agree. The odds of all our players or even most of them being available were zero. As it turned out ourselves and spurs were worst hit its only because most of the snr players out their failed to get into squads like herrera mata shaw and smalling that we have any snr players bar sanchez bailly and darmian who didn't qualify.
30 Jul 2018 20:21:54
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Yet tend to agree
KEN
Sorry pal but that's is nothing like the way you come across .
86 points well done Jose but then again 86 points with in your words the worse squad in 26 year .
It's hyperbole and rubbish.
30 Jul 2018 20:59:03
Jred its not rubbish we have not gone 5 years without winning the league for 30 years its our longest stretch for since the epl began.
Over the last 30 years we have had keepers as good as ddg arguably.
Over the last 30 years we have never had such poor choces at full back.
In 30 years we have never had such turmoil and lack of a consistant 1st choice paring at cb.
In 30 years we have never had a squad without a midfielder that dictates play and tempo
In 30 years we have never had as poor a choice on rw.
In 30 years our choices at cf have rarely been poorer for depth.
That's my opinion. Its a really poor SQUAD for last 5 years. Results prove that. We have had our worst run of league finishes for 30 years.
There is obvious quality in most of the starting 11 but beneath them its slim pickings in certain positions.
I can't think of a worse squad even fergies last squad that won the league is better. May not have had big star names but their character was without question. There is a lot more to being a footballer and having talent is only half the story. We have a few with talent that just don't show enough character. that's how i have formed my opinion which you disagree with of course but its not rubbish jred.
Our current squad most agree is devoid of top class full back options.
Most would agree is short of a tempo setting midfield player
Most would agree that its devoid of pace in wide areas
Most would agree we lack a proper winger of any description on either side of the pitch.
Most would agree we don't have a solid cb pairing to rely on.
So which of our squads in the last 26 years in your opinion had all those deficiencies and a worse run of league resuts jred?
30 Jul 2018 21:35:11
Great post ken. Jred I’m neither firmly in either camp. On numerous occasions I try and look at both sides and give a balanced argument. Sure I support the manager but I also call it how I see it and when he’s not doing something right I always call it. You on the other hand are firmly sitting on the fence never giving an opinion, and often slating those in each camp. Nobody is denying that things aren’t perfect, but the hate for Jose is unbearable and quite frankly embarrassing at times. No other manager is subject to the vitriol he receives both from the press and even his own supposed fans. Sure he doesn’t help himself in his press conferences, but people find a negative in every single word he says. It’s embarrassing quite frankly.
30 Jul 2018 21:44:35
Very good and accurate post park.
30 Jul 2018 23:23:06
Again that word, 'hate'. You can hate Hitler, I'll give you him, but I hardly think anyone hates José. Disappointment, yes. Frustration, yes. The desire to give him a bl00dy good shake and remind him how lucky he is to managing United, yes. Hate, very much no. Just another over the top word, used too casually, and only serves to ratchet up the emotion.
31 Jul 2018 03:48:06
I’m not sure Jose can moan about the tour, didn’t he say after last years tour that he would love to come back this year? I seem to recall he did.
31 Jul 2018 08:36:02
Don't get mixed up with underperforming and not a good player.
Mata was Chelsea player if the year twice playing right wing .
Some people can't see a decent player unless he is playing in a great team .
Some can't see a average player playing in a great team.
The "hate" for Jose is nothing compared to the "hate " shown to some of our players .
Poor Jose we have no good players.
Fellaini is awful, the same fellaini Jose rates very highly . Maybe just maybe Jose rates players differently to some on the site .
Could that be why the wig is a favourite or smalling starts every week Tony is captain etc etc.
31 Jul 2018 09:15:57
Amswer yhe question jred which sqiad was worse and performed worse in last 26 years?
Stop waffling. Wig started 5 games last season not much of a favourite.
31 Jul 2018 09:31:27
Ken
Again hyperbole the wig was Injured, played in our biggest game of the season the moment he was fit.
But that doesn't suit your silly argument .
Both squads under lvg were worse than this one .
Moyes squad was
And the last team fergy won the title by 11 points was .
And that's only going back 6 year not 30 .
31 Jul 2018 09:58:46
Park
I never give an opinion?
31 Jul 2018 12:28:18
I agree with park.
Thats exactly what i said jred silly billy. Jose took over tbe worst squad and worst performing squad for 26 years. So you agree.
Fergie squad that won the league is miles better jred they won the league.
You are like the proverbial empty bottle just making noise.
31 Jul 2018 12:29:33
The wig was not injured jred he made the bench 16 times last season without getting a run. You remind me of that famous disney elephant . name escapes me.