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30 Jul 2018 16:03:49
I peruse a few United forums and this one is my favourite. This community has its personalities, its normally a great place to spend some free time during the day, but the last few weeks have been unbearable, the negativity is astounding.

Jose is judged differently than any other manager. He simply cannot win. Buys Mkhitaryan, swaps him 18 months later for Sanchez. The uproar of how he's wasting our money, how he throws players under the bus. St Pep buys Bravo, one year later replaces him with Ederson. Wow, Pep is a genius. What an astute signing.

A poster further down the page noted that pep has signed 20 players, Jose has signed 8 or 9. A few of you used that and a stick to beat Jose with.

He always plays boring football. Comebacks against Chelsea and City. The ease at which we beat Liverpool at Old Trafford, the dismantling of Arsenal at the Emirates. The four games at the start of the season. Comebacks against Palace and Watford. They're just the stand out games. But it's all boring isn't it?

In the 19 league games we scored first, we went on to win all 19. That's not a "park the bus" manager, that's a world class manager earning his corn.

Finished the league ahead of the best attacking team in the world Liverpool. We finished ahead of the best manager in the world Poch. We finished behind the record breaking City who recorded 100 points, a tally that no premier league team has ever set. A team that in two years spent well over £300 million on defenders alone.

But he doesn't play kids! Second only to Arsenal for academy graduates getting minutes. Mctominay has done well and played in some big games. Rashford played a lot, so to Lingard.

The same doom and gloomers are the ones that yearn for Poch. A manager that has won zero trophies. A manager who can't get extremely talented Spurs side near a trophy. The same fans that lost it when we signed Matic and Chelsea signed Bakayoko.

I am a Mourinho fan but he doesn't help himself at times. The Sevilla game was atrocious. The style of football can be turgid and rigid.

His carrot and stick routine could definitely use an upgrade. I can see what he's doing when he confronts players. He wants them to rise above and prove him wrong. Sometimes he goes overboard but that's the way he's gotten his success.

Jose is a smart man. Everything he does and says is for a reason. Regardless of whether or not you think he cares about the club, what you can guarantee is he cares about winning. He's picking a fight with the board because he wants players so we can challenge for the title.


The fact is, he has improved us. In every way you can calculate improvement, he has done it. Get him what he wants and he will deliver.

It's time to take a hiatus from this wonderful site. The negative ones have Jose in their sights. There is no escape!

Take care folks!

{Ed004's Note - Very well written and argued post. Puts a lot into perspective. I'd like to add one more point. No other manager is scrutinised as much as Jose is both in the press and by the FA. We have seen other managers push assistants, make political statements and verbally assault referees without even a slap on the wrist. Whereas, Jose gets a ban for having his foot on the pitch (an offence other managers have committed to no punishment). Additionally, whatever is said in the media is magnified or even blatantly lied about like some of the quotes this week. Lastly, there's blatantly a different narrative with the way in which managers treat players. Stones didn't get a look in at the end of the season after Pep yet again spent 50 odd million on another defensive minded player. Yet there was no articles screaming for Stones to move on to fulfil his potential like there was for Rashford who has made more appearances under Jose than any other player (If memory serves me correctly)}

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30 Jul 2018 16:16:31
Great post. Agree 100%. Wish I could like it more than once.

30 Jul 2018 16:22:34
That’s a great post Mumbles, I’m not a fan of Jose but as I have said a couple of times, people get entrenched and defend a position, everything is black and white. I had a word with myself to try and be balanced but I guess passions run high. As I said on an earlier reply, I think we’ll do just fine when everyone is back.

My main beef with Jose is his public demeanour, I’m a great believer in culture and values and he projects negativity far too often for me. I just think it will have a definite effect on the players. Lighten up man!

30 Jul 2018 16:35:39
Very well said Mumbles. and Edoo4. I confess to over reacting after the 2nd pre season game, and getting frustrated by Jose's moaning. But after a calming break and after thinking about what Ed002 says about the man, I am back on his side. I don't think it is just Jose that gets treated differently by the media, it is United in general, they love us to fail so they can write there garbage. let's as fans support everything United and not get sucked into their nonsense. I also think the doubters maybe surprised as the season gets going.

{Ed004's Note - I would slightly alter what I said and think you're correct in saying United in general. When we are winning it's spun negatively to emphasise that we are destroying football and when we lose it's highlighted even further. You wouldn't think the shocking and dissappointing Manutd side finished above the majestic and exciting Liverpool side last season. Hasn't helped that our current legend seem to attack us at nearly every opportunity. Never mind opposition legends. Has souness ever made a positive comment on Pogba? He truly despises the guy no matter what he does}

30 Jul 2018 16:53:14
Some good arguments mumbles, mourinho is many times judged unfairly and is criticized far more than other but also a lot curating of facts to suit your arguments.

No one was sad to see mkhi leave or criticized mourinho for buying sanchez, most just wanted him to played on the right and so as not to screw over martial or rashford and mess up our already poor attack, criticism started when mourinho proceeded to do what most did not want and it failed spectacularly as sanchez performed as badly as a footballer can possibly perform. Also what St. Pep did was correct his mistake, what mourinho has done atleast on available evidence is compounding it, big difference isn't it.

handful of games cherry picked over the course of a 2 seasons does not prove anything, also was this dismantling of arsenal the game where we scored 2 early goals after which arsenal proceeded to basically lay siege to our goal and ddg had to make record no of saves in a game to save our bacon, not exactly the game i would want a manager taking credit for is it? Our play over the course of the season was rubbish and mourinho's anfield game tactics were at the root of it all.

Also why is it that specific managers are compared on specific criteria? Pep won trophies and accolades because he spent more money than mourinho, but klopp and pochetino didn't spend anywhere near as mou, atleast until this season, so why criticize them for it. You can't have your cake and eat it too my friend.

30 Jul 2018 16:50:28
AJH, you can tell that Jose doesn't like the media. He's hostile towards them and looks bereft of life when talking to them. You either die a hero or you live long enough to become the villain. Jose was the breath of fresh air when he arrived in England. Now he's the anti-Christ. The darlings are Klopp and Pep. They can do no wrong.

Iv seen footage of Uniteds training over the last couple of weeks and when Jose is around the team, he seems in good spirits. Before one of the training sessions he walked around joking with most of the team but that doesn't fit the narrative.

A few players and him played football with a load of kids today. Iv only see need pictures but you can tell he's having fun. He quotes about how it's great having so many young players on tour, great for them and great for him and coaches to get to know them a bit better. No website or publication lead with those quotes.

I think the guy you see in interviews and press conference's is completely different to the guy who the players deal with day to day.

A lot of the print media are vermin. And should be treated likewise.

30 Jul 2018 17:12:07
Fantastic read mumbles. Sums up my thoughts exactly at this present moment.

30 Jul 2018 17:29:10
Mumbles,

I genuinely hope every person who has posted in the last week reads your post and takes something from it, I would love to give you a pat on the back as I think it is one of the best posts I have ever seen on here, well argued, sensible points, no sarcasm, enjoyed it.

30 Jul 2018 17:34:01
Brilliant post mumbles.

30 Jul 2018 17:35:54
Mumbles why take a break from posting mate. You post a lot of sense imo. Just because others want to vent their frustrations or havee differing onions to ours doesn't make them right.
Its funny old the people moaning a iut jose's moaning are actually more repediti e and more negatibe than jose himself imo.
Ajh says people are entrenched in their views. I am as are others. Then some people don't know what they want and just make noise for the sake of it. laugh them off pal.

30 Jul 2018 17:39:21
Ed004

You can add Jamie Redknapp and John Aldridge into that pot also. Redknapp wrote 3 articles on the sly website between January and the end of the season on why Rashford should leave United.
As for Aldridge, he is just a bitter muppet. He has a page in the Sunday World here in Ireland. Can’t go a week without a dig thrown in somewhere.
Just two of many.

{Ed004's Note - Exactly, it's an easy target to slag United players and the club. It sells papers as it gets a reaction. Non-united fans love to leave it and United fans get wound up and bite}

30 Jul 2018 18:08:44
Ken, I appreciate their posts. As I said, the reason this site is so good is that everyone has an opinion and is actually pleasant about it. I'm actually really looking forward to the start of the season and the doom and gloomers areally harshening my buzz . Some people could have Margot Robbie sitting on their lap and they'd be moaning about the rain outside!

30 Jul 2018 18:20:22
Some would have Margot Robbie on there lap and all they would talk about are out full backs.

30 Jul 2018 18:21:37
Mumbles

Well done, sometimes feels there are too few of us supporting the manager so I would say stay and give your views. If the owners support him with the right level of player he will deliver.

30 Jul 2018 19:05:02
But there will also be the laps Margot wouldn't sit on at all jred in case you bored her to sleep😂
She might avoid noucamp in case she ended up in hand cuffs
Ajh is still getting over blind and Margot wouldn't like that.
Leahy is from cork so Margot knows better than to sit on his lap in case he picks her pocket😂
Beast would be avoided due the the violent past of mrs beast.
666 couldn't have her as he has ed001 on his lap.
Redman's hips couldn't take the strain at his age😂
Slim pickings for Margot on this page.

30 Jul 2018 19:06:13
Mumbles you the man. What a great post make sure you keep posting don't you dare leave us. Its posts like yours that makes me keep coming back for more time and time again. Im a massive Jose fan and I know everything he does has reason in the same way SAF and Cloughie used to get under the Journos skin. I still believe he will get maybe 3 new signings before the start of the season and blow all the doubters away.
KEEP POSTING 😆😆.

30 Jul 2018 19:20:02
Interesting post mumbles. But i agree with Common Sense re some of the comments. I also agree with Ajh re Mourinho's terrible demeanour and constant whinning. It is pathetic.
A question for you, apart from Lingard (Mctominay came in and played a few games), but which first team player has actually improved under Mourinho?

30 Jul 2018 19:24:59
Post of the year mumbles.

30 Jul 2018 20:01:14
Brilliant post mumbles, utterly brilliant!

posts like that should be saved in a 'utd archive' so we can look back at them. in yrs to come.

30 Jul 2018 20:01:31
AAA, it's one of Jose's greatest qualities. Improving the number of goals conceded, improving the goals, improving the points total in the league without improving any players. He's a genius!

30 Jul 2018 20:18:02
Mumbles,

😂😂😂 that made me laugh, funny.

Definitely keep posting, we need people fighting against the negativity on here, the season hasn’t even bloody started yet and the overreactions are embarrassing.

30 Jul 2018 20:23:36
Ken
It's getting worse, really scrapping the barrel 😉.

30 Jul 2018 20:29:31
Ken

I’ll step up if needed.

30 Jul 2018 23:25:33
We can't have our cake and eat it. If we're going to bum and blow about being the biggest team in the world, then we have to expect most of the media attention, good or bad. Who gives two sh1tes about what other people say about us?







 

 

 
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