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03 Jun 2018 00:40:53
Hope we start seeing, and perhaps encouraging, rumours that Real Madrid really want Jose as their manager!

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03 Jun 2018 01:22:37
Careful what you wish for Cinderella, next manager could just as easily turn into a pumpkin.

03 Jun 2018 08:12:08
Lets hope it happens before he buys Grealish Hart and Anautovic, and before he sells pogba lukaku mata bailly because they decided to step over the halfway line without his permission.

03 Jun 2018 10:06:48
AAA 😂. I know you don’t like Jose but can you write one post which is not clouded by your disdain for him? At the end of the day you are entitled to your opinion and I enjoy reading your posts. But you’ve already written Jose off and waiting for the ‘I told you so moment’. Like I have said before he has said and done some odd things but he has also done a lot of good which seems to go unnoticed by some fans. It’s always easier to be negative then positive I suppose. The grass is not always greener.

03 Jun 2018 10:13:14
So if Jose went who is available? Poch going nowhere tuchel at psg zz apparently on his way to international football. Who is free and would do better than Jose?

03 Jun 2018 10:26:53
Park, i don't hate Mourinho. I just don't like his attitude with the players, the fans and the media. And i don't like the style of football he plays.
He has brought a bit of stability but that has also come with huge expenditure, and we've already seen where Guadiola has gone in comparrison to Mourinho. Have you seen guadiola critisize one of his players in public? He has had his spats with Toure and Aguero. But he's not come out and trashed them on tv.
Mourinho has bought and sold mkhitaryan. He's bought Pogba and Bailly and has benched them and frozen them out. He lambasted Lukaku, another one of his buys, on Tv after the cup final. He's also critisized Martial, Rashford and Shaw in the press. Are we really this desperate to put up with Mourinho?
Im sure he's a charming man outside football. But he's got to learn how to handle players otherwise, he'll not be here in a year's time.

03 Jun 2018 10:39:12
I’ll do it. I’m busy after September, but I’ll spare a few hours here and there to get us back to the top. First big decision, resign O’Shea.

03 Jun 2018 11:14:03
AAA if we are talking about expenditure then this is how much each manager has spent since they joined their respective clubs:

Pochettino - 250m (0 trophies)
Klopp - 323m (0 trophies)
Conte - 306m (2 trophies)
Wenger (*since Poch joined) - 252m 2 trophies
Pep - 380m ( 2 trophies)
Jose - 295m ( 2 trophies)

We will I think spend a huge amount this summer so the numbers will be skewed but pep has spent nearly a 100m more. That’s a whole Defense. We are playing with a Defense with 2 ex wingers and 2 cbs that are not good enough. Yes it is baffling why Jose is not bailly and lindelof together but if you really think any of the top 6 managers could win the league with our defence then I think your kidding yourself.

Yes Jose has challenged the players in public but how much have you written is 90% of the media narrative disparaging both united and Jose? You say pep has not criticised yaya and Aguero in public. Yet he consistently complained that his team gets targeted by the opposition, named a bench of 6 players instead of promoting a youth player to ‘send a message’ and he gets labelled the messiah for youth whilst Jose has integrated and played more youth players than any other top 6 club in the league. But hey that doesn’t fit the media narrative.

I appreciate your points but you fail to see any of the positives that he has done. You have listed just the negatives but how about we talk about the improvements. People seem to forget how bad in a situation we were in when we sacked lvg. We have score more goals, conceded less, came (a distant) second in the league, champions league for consecutive years for the first time since Fergie left and with a lot of very good youth players coming back from loan or close to being integrated into the first team. We have promoted two young and exciting coaches from within in McKenna and Carrick which suggests Jose is open to new ideas and a fresh approach for next season. What is there no to be excited about? ehy do we always have to be negative when in reality there is a great platform to push in from next year.

Yes the style has been crap but with some really exciting additions there is only room for improvements. What’s the point of going Into the season already conceding the title to city. Let’s focus on ourselves and not what our rivals are doing. Sacking Jose now is not the answer. And there is nobody (apart from perhaps Zizou) who is openly available. Back the manager because he is one of us as long as he is a united manager. And when he goes my support goes from him and to the next manager. How can he succeed when his own fans are willing him to fail (not you just some plastics on Twitter) .

03 Jun 2018 11:46:42
Park one of the best posts i seen in a while.

03 Jun 2018 11:50:22
lets see how the season pans out. Mourinho will have a different coaching set up so you never know.

03 Jun 2018 11:56:23
Brilliant post park. Too many of our fans are believing the media narrative of hating on Jose. He even gets hate on "Potential" signings and "potential" outgoings" that the media make up. Fergies farewell speech he said the fans need to support the new manager which tbf we have but the mood at the moment is of waiting for Jose to fail to turn on him.

03 Jun 2018 12:01:23
Great post Park, you are spot on the time the media narrative, Jose could play an eleven of youth then be labelled as undermining united by playing them or he could not play any and be labelled for not promoting youth, it really is pathetic and if I was anyone here I’d pay little attention to the media and so called pundits as they all have a story to spin to make things more exciting.
I’m as split as anyone on Jose but that’s mainly down to the style of play, can’t argue what he’s done to improve us.
Again spot on about our defence, I find it funny people say we’ve a great defence, it’s massively covered up by Matic and DDG in particular, people forget we conceded more goals than City and by the time we spent £100m plus to improve our defence just as city did they’d have spent that and more again, unfortunately the way of the football world is so that you have to spend or not be competing, The club can’t afford to not be so I envisage another £200-£250m this summer and it should in theory get us closer to city next season.

03 Jun 2018 12:38:28
#wengerin.

03 Jun 2018 13:32:53
Park, you should factor in outgoing players/ sales as well as incoming players when comparing the amounts spent by the clubs.

03 Jun 2018 14:43:40
Thats not right Jackson. If that is the criteria then we should factor in that United has revenues way more than any of those clubs. That gives us extra to spend on our players. Also, the players we have bought have been at over inflated prices because of the size ou or club.

03 Jun 2018 15:12:25
I think the problem supporters have with Jose is that after two years at the club the style and standard of football seem to be on a downward trajectory. This season, in particular, the team seems to have become progressively more cautious and defence orientated. Added to this, the first team is starting to look older and older. The contrast to Pep, Poch and Klopp, is that they are building exciting young teams, whereas Jose is building a boring team. I just don’t think he has the best interests of the club in mind. It’s about winning Jose trophies in the short term, no thought to long term stability.

03 Jun 2018 15:37:23
Jackson I hate the word net spend. Now before people say it’s relevant hear me out. How many times in the last 10 years have united sold a player who was in the prime and wanted to move onto a club on par or bigger in stature than man united? I can think of two - Ronaldo obviously and then di Maria. When players leave united it’s often when they are unwanted by the club or they are past there best and it’s time to wind down their career. Someone like Liverpool or arsenal have been selling their best players for years. Arsenal have lost a big player almost every year since rvp joined united. Liverpool have sold two world class players in coutinho and Suarez for astronomical fees. Credit to Liverpool they have got a great fee for coutinho and have been investing well and are on the up. They will soon keep hold of their players. But to judge a club like united, who don’t lose their top players in their prime (yet - it may start happening), on net spend is not a fair parameter for judging spending.

The other issue united have is they are paying average players ridiculous wages. So getting them off the books can be tough when they know they can run down their contract on a cool £100,000 a week. This is an issue which the club have created from mismanagement and panic buying. But that is another rant for another time!

This may be controversial but I feel if a club has a high net spend then it can tend to suggest in some situations that the owners are not investing appropriately into the club. Instead they are pocketing the funds instead of investing it in the team. Arsenal comes to mind. So for me the net spend parameter has little significance and is a poor way to measure whether a club has been successful in the market.

03 Jun 2018 17:32:02
If a club buys 10 players for 10 million and sell them for say 100 they will have a very good net spend .
They will imo also of done very well in the transfer market .
Doesn't mean the owners have pocketed money .

03 Jun 2018 17:37:11
Net spend is also relevant when a team like spurs with a net spend of 40 mil over 4 year have to sell its best players.

03 Jun 2018 20:37:54
Park. I never mentioned money as i really don't care what the club pay for players providing we can afford them.
I was talking about the way Mourinho handles himself and the players. I was talking about the boring football we churn out most weeks. As Danny P says, you see Guadiola and Klopp building exciting teams and very successful in Guadiola's case, but mourinho is building a defensive team. And the irony is that, when teams attack us, we look absolute rubbish in defence. Its because the tactics he's deploying, deep lying and very little pressing, are putting us under continuous pressure. It doesn't take a football manager to work this out, we can all see what's happening.

03 Jun 2018 21:12:07
AAA I’m not disputing we are playing turgid football. You know from the majority of my posts I always evaluate and acknowledge both sides of the argument. I understand you think him staying another year is going to be a backward step. I think the opposite. Not expecting us to play free flowing beautiful football, but I expect to enjoy next season and to be entertained. Respect your view but disagree on parts of it. Let’s Agree to disagree.

04 Jun 2018 11:03:39
Funny that you hate the term "net spend" Park! As that totally blows your who spent what and won what post above out of the water, listen your trying to defend your manager and look at positives for him which is good, but don't use money spent because your just embarrassing yourself. He's the wrong manager for your team and he's turning you into a pale sterile imitation of man United and you should get rid, hopefully the club thinks like you and he stays, because his short term view in order to enhance his own reputation will have massive implications for you club long term.







 

 

 
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