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20 May 2018 08:49:28
The end of another season and it looks like we're still needing a bit of a clear out. Many on here have been saying this since Fergie was still the manager. Too many ok players and not enough great ones. Unfortunately that couldn't be more correct in my opinion. It's incredible that our 1st choice back 4 was here when Fergie left despite us buying 6 or 7 defenders since he retired. I suppose that says who we've bought have not lived up to expectations.

Jose's attritional style of play can at times help hide the flaws of some. However, it has stifled others leaving our side in a weird place. We have fantastic attacking players like Sanchez, Pogba, Martial etc who aren't sure when to attack/ try to express themselves meaning we attack without any pattern and look confused in the final third. Then we have average players who are very comfortable playing without much risk and have become almost definite starters each week.

Many on here have been saying for years that Smalling, Jones and Young should be nowhere near the club never mind the starting 11. However, who replaces them? Shaw doesn't seem to be very professional, Lindelof has struggled at times and Bailly can't stay fit for very long.

We also have a number of players who have contributed very little over the past season. Would it do a huge amount of harm to replace them with youth team players? I'm sure we would all prefer to see Angel Gomes named in a squad than players like l Blind or Darmian who haven't really been seen since January? Even if he doesn't get on the pitch it gives you some hope he will. We're hardly screaming for Darmian to get on.

Moving forward I hope we see a new left back, right back, centre back and Central midfielder in the summer. Alex Sandro ideally or Kieran Tierney for left back, Djibril Sidibe or Fabinho for right back, Alderweireld for centre back and Jorginho for centre midfield (though looks City bound) would be a great summer. Here's hoping we don't have to spend any of our budget on a new 1st choice keeper. Hopefully this summer we get our signings right and were in a position that sees Jose give the players a bit more creative freedom because he trusts that the defensive players don't need quite so much protection.

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20 May 2018 09:26:04
No point spending more millions on new players if you can't get the ones you have playing well .

20 May 2018 11:01:32
Agreed jred but what evidence have the likes of Smalling, Jones, Darmian, Young, Fellaini, Rojo, Blind etc provided to show they can play any better than they actually are or have? It's not like any other top side is clamouring to have any of them in their team. Is there a coaching issue with some? Absolutely. Are some just not as good as you'd like to see in the squad? Definitely.

20 May 2018 11:37:36
1 . Jose really wants fellaini so it's not me but the manager who thinks he is good enough
2 . Rojo has just signed a new contract so again you could argue Jose thinks he is good enough
3.young and smalling have both played well imo this season and are both first choice for Jose
4. Looks like darmian is off to juventus .

So if Jose rates them he needs to get them playing better.
I don't think our back 4 have been that bad it's cm and attack where the problem is .
Young and co have played about par for the course, we don't conced many .
Pogba Sanchez martial rash Miki and co have all underperformed we don't create, score enough even look like we have an attacking plan .

20 May 2018 12:42:26
If the manager rates them, that's fine but it doesn't make them any better or worse a player because the manager rates them. They are as good as they are and if they are after 2 years of Mourinho being in charge there isn't any improvement then maybe they aren't good enough?

For me, not conceding many and being good at the back don't go hand in hand nowadays. When you think of great defensive teams you think of Mourinho's original Chelsea or Atletico. Compared to them in terms of defensive capability and simply behind very difficult to score against City are horrible at the back, so are Barca, Liverpool aren't great either despite a recent upturn in their form but they all defend in a different way from us or those defensive sides. They all have pretty good defensive records.

They keep possession for long spells or press energetically for the majority of games. This means defenders such as Otamendi, Pique, Mascherano are in defence when teams rarely concede. Pique is a prime example. He is seen by many as being amongst the best in the world at CB when in fact he is nowhere near. They play in sides which hide their flaws and mean they don't have to defend much throughout a 90 minutes. Then when they do the opposition are knackered and can't really provide support meaning a striker is isolated or perhaps has one pass on if he's lucky. Having Smalling, Jones, Rojo etc all have to defend far less often would be brilliant for us.

Our side isn't built to defend that way. We wait until the opposition are in our half then start to press. The way we set up usually is how Jose has been successful but football has moved forward from having a big physical side who have a low defensive block. We have a good defensive record because of it as we pack men behind the ball but we achieve this in a far more boring way than the sides I've mentioned above. Even in the past a Mourinho side could play the ways we do defensively but they were lethal on the counter. Nowadays sides know how to play against that, where as 10 years ago it was new. Counter attacks start 20 or 30 yards further up the pitch now. This is why when we get into the final third we look lost as the tactic of hit them on the counter has been countered and our players seem to have no spotaniety within them to get around this.

20 May 2018 13:08:42
Rjmam
I disagree, we have the most exposed back line about, team just walk through our cm .
We don't defend our back line and our posseion is poor, we don't defend from the front or as a team .
Our cbs are completely exposed.

I do agree that city and Barcelona etc don't have superstar backline but that's my point they have a good enough midfield and forward line .

Our back line is probably good enough nothing wrong with 28 goals in 38 league games but it's our midfield and attack were the problem lies.







 

 

 
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