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17 Apr 2018 13:34:40
Have been thinking about asking this question for a long time and now seems as good a time as ever.
I have no doubt that there has been a lot of jose bashing since Sunday but what I want to do is question the role of his assistant rui faria. They have always worked together and if you look at the trophy list there is no doubt that they have been hugely successful. I wonder though that they are so set in their ways that it is their way or no way. Though I say it through gritted teeth the way that city and Liverpool move the ball and the all around tempo that they play the game makes them much more enjoyable to watch than us. It seems that we are being set up to play a way that has worked in the past but isn't so good now.
Sir Alex had many different number 2's and he said that they all came with different ideas and that they kept both him and the players on their toes. I just wonder if we need a different number 2 who is prepared to question jose's methods as opposed to someone who is simply going to agree with jose without ever saying, no we need to set up differently.
I don't have anyone in mind but wanted to throw the question out there as to whether jose having a different number 2 will freshen up his thinking as well as that of the players.

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17 Apr 2018 13:54:26
Really good point that mate .

17 Apr 2018 13:57:41
Totally agree Allan. That’s the reason Fergie stayed at the top of the game so long. Changed no 2s regularly to ensure the game didn’t move ahead of him. If you surround yourselves with too many ‘yes’ men then you will end up being stubborn and not moving with the times. Think we are seeing this with Jose.

17 Apr 2018 14:05:29
How do you know Rui Faria isn't questioning Jose constantly? Do you really think with Jose's ego that a number 2 who questions him would work well?

{Ed002's Note - Rui Faria is very clear if he doesn't agree with Mr Mourinho.}

17 Apr 2018 14:13:47
Ed what is your opinion on Jose and do you think football has moved on from him tactically? I understand if this question is too vague but it would be great to get your insight on it. Thanks.

{Ed002's Note - He is a great coach and an all round good guy. He should never have moved to Manchester United - I have explained before the issues that surround him being there from both his perspective and the clubs.}

17 Apr 2018 14:28:55
Much appreciated ed!

17 Apr 2018 14:55:35
Hard to turn Utd down from a money and ego perspective. On that note Ed, who’d be your choice as best fit for the manager gig?

{Ed002's Note - They had Allegri lined up to take over in 2017 (until 2022) but the fans really screwed that for them. He would have been the best solution.}

17 Apr 2018 15:12:38
That is unfair ed002, fans did not play football that put anyone who watched it to sleep.

The fact that off all the players lvg bought, only hererra and rojo if he is lucky might still be at utd come next season, that is a really poor return for someone who spent more than 200mn. Don't blame fans for woodward hiring a fossil who turned out to be a dud.

{Ed002's Note - It is nothing to do with players or Woodward. It is to do with the very significant damage the toxic fan base did to the club.}

17 Apr 2018 15:15:37
In hindsight perhaps you are right ed but I shudder to think how that final year under van gaal would have gone. We were playing some of the worst football i have ever watched and there was an almost mutiny amongst fans during Xmas of his second year. I honestly think he would have left us in a really bad situation with a poor squad and league position. Would it not have been a worse situation to have had allegri come in with arguably more damage done by LVG, as opposed to Jose coming in and getting us into second this year? Allegri would have had a huge job on his hands to clear up which would have taken a long time.

{Ed002's Note - Sure, but the club had provisions that would have had them on the up and the fans did what was necessary to really foul it up. Hence the mess that the club has today with no obvious solution in sight.}

17 Apr 2018 15:22:15
What damage ed002? Fans don't sign players, nor do they setup the team, he bought average players and played football that was supposed to be watched only by people who had insomnia that too only because the pills aren't working.

Had he played football half as good as likes of poch or klopp, most utd fans would have been happy.

Criticism LVG faced here and on other places is less than what mourinho has faced since Sevilla, yet don't see Woodward wanting to sack Mourinho.

{Ed002's Note - Really? You don't have Allegri, and you have a club spending money like water who are in a real mess with a manager who doesn't want to be there. Great job the Toxics.}

17 Apr 2018 15:23:55
That’s a fair point ed. So there are no plans anymore to look towards allegri after Jose? It’s quite astounding if the board haven’t some some of succession plan in place for when Jose does go which I suspect might be at the end of next season.

{Ed002's Note - He has already been screwed about.}

17 Apr 2018 15:33:02
Ed002 but again it isn't like fans are really happy with Mourinho, people have been divided over him since he signed.

The criticism he has faced from fans and media and have been much more than what LVG faced, but by the looks of it he is going to get a few hundred million more to spend. Woodward did not have to sack LVG, he is the one took the decision and can't blame fans for it.

{Ed002's Note - It is the fans fault that Mourinho is there and they deserve every unhappiness for the self-inflicted wound. It is the fault of the toxics and no one else. Now I am pleased to see they are reaping what they sowed.}

17 Apr 2018 16:05:43
Ed02 if Jose is not happy at United why doesn't he move on .
Manager like him must be able to pick and choose jobs, or would it look bad to just walk out of a job at the moment.

{Ed002's Note - No, he cannot pick and choose jobs. If Manchester United were to make a sufficient offer he would certainly be pleased to get away from the club and the city. None of this is new.}

17 Apr 2018 16:13:53
I imagine that Carrick would also be vocal next season in his coaching role.

17 Apr 2018 16:36:45
Ed is jose’s Unhappiness, so to speak, in any way impacting on his ability to manage united? Because it’s often been said he is clearly not the charismatic mourinho of old and this is reflecting in his press conferences. And was there genuine interest from PSG in taking him when there were talks earlier on in the season?

{Ed002's Note - No, he is a professional. It will have no adverse impact on his abilities. Yes, PSG would have liked him.}

17 Apr 2018 16:40:56
Iv seen you use the word toxic when describing our fans when LvG was in charge. I'm genuinely curious what it was that we've done? Our form over that Christmas period was atrocious and the players and manager were occasionally booed at the end of games. This happens in football.
There were no protests outside. There were no banners within the stadium. There were no planes flying above Old Trafford. There were no mass stadium walk outs. What was it that made the fans "toxic"? From the outside it didn't look anything out of the ordinary.

I remember you saying we had a couple of players lined up to sign in that January window but the club pulled out because of the fans. I'm not doubting your information for one second ed002 and I know you're very honest even when the truth hurts. But from the outside, the club didn't back LvG in that window and jeopardised our season because of "toxic" fans. This to me seems spiteful and smacks of gross negligence.

The left LvG in the firing line and then blamed the fans?

{Ed002's Note - There is reams and reams of information on these pages from the time - try searching on “toxic”. The club weren’t spiteful, the fans did the damage, They had a fantastic manager lined up and lost him because of the fans. Transfer plans were changed because of the fans. The mess that the club is in now is because of the fans. This is nothing new. They deserve everything they are getting and more. Didn’t make a scratch on Chelsea last season not Manchester City this season. Will they qualify for the Champions League next season? We will see.}

17 Apr 2018 17:47:07
I have never heard so much nonsense in all my life, individuals in senior positions like ed Woodward would not make multi-million pound decisions based some negative comments on a social media site. The decision was made due to the exceptionally poor job LVG was doing (and moyes before him) . If and it’s a big if the untied board made a huge decision like this based on ‘toxic’ fans then they should be nowhere near the positions they hold within the club.
Whether it was Jose or any other manager that was offered the job, the club still needed to spend x amount of millions due to the mediocre standard of the players in the starting eleven. Jose is doing a good job for me, not great, but has improved us since last year. However next season is a massive one for him and the club, I have a feeling we might just see something speacial.

{Ed002's Note - no one has suggested anything happened because of this site. You may want to go and read what happened at the time rather than making ill=informed posts. The decision was made because of the toxics, and that is why the agreement with Allegri was scratched and why transfers were scratched.}

17 Apr 2018 18:08:05
I wanted LVG out. He played anti-football, which as far removed from the ethos of Utd as it was possible to be. If wanting to get rid of a manager who's style of football was making us a laughing stock, and turning fans off from watching the team they love, then I can live with being labelled a toxic quite easily. Life's too short to be watching the tripe that was being served up under that dinosaur.

{Ed002's Note - Glad to see it is going so well.}

17 Apr 2018 18:23:09
Well then the club could have been stronger and went ahead with their January targets and kept LvG for his last year and then go get Allegri. But instead they didn't reinforce the team and left LvG in the firing line. If we had of improved the squad we might have pipped City to 4th that year and LvG would have stayed.

Fans aren't logical people. They want £100 million spent on every player, they want what the newest shiniest player that does well on Match of the Day. The plans of a multi billion pound club shouldn't be changed based on some toxicity.

We didn't get close to Chelsea last year but I doubt LvG would have. And using City as a barometer for a freaky points total this season saying we weren't close (technically we aren't) is a one off. Our current points total would see a challah get in 90% of past premier league seasons.

Could it be better, of course but your alternate time line were we get Allegri could have been worse?

17 Apr 2018 18:24:19
As in there are more issues in the background / set up of the club. Complaining about results and players is insignificant in comparison to moving the club forward.

{Ed002's Note - The club is not moving forward.}

17 Apr 2018 19:47:36
Ed, it's never just been about the winning for me. I fell in love with the club as a kid, over 40 years ago, because of the romance and footballing ethos of the club, not what planning the board had in place for management appointments. I'm a fan, not a bureaucrat.

17 Apr 2018 20:34:15
Toxic fans didn't choose Moyes. Toxic fans didn't appoint LVG. Toxic fans didn't overspend on substandard players. Toxic fans didn't play the most boring football ever seen at Old Trafford.

Toxic fans committed lots of time and money to support their team and got served up a steaming pile of doodah for their troubles. This has been going on for 5 years now and there is no end in sight.

Ed002, I'm sorry but the fans are not to blame. You seem a forthright kind of fella, do you complain when you are not happy or just suck it up to avoid being toxic? I suspect its the former.

It's the club's fault that we have suffered dross football for all these years with their lack of investment during the final years of Fergie then the complete hash that was made of fergies succession.

You talk like Allegri would have been our managerial promised land, given the clubs recent track record of choosing managers, odds are he would have been crap and boring as well.

You can't blame the customers for telling the club they are not happy with the product. Manchester Utd don't have a customer satsfaction helpline so its customers have to give their feedback by other means.

{Ed002's Note - You really have no grasp of the damage done. I have told you the truth about Allegri. It seems that it is better not to tell the MU fans what is going on. I will hold back from now on as I am clearly wasting my time.}

17 Apr 2018 20:35:12
I'm glad their plans were scuppered because every decision they seem to make is the wrong one. If they were so sure of their plans they would have put up with a bit of legitimate bashing from supporters.

Furthermore, maybe informing the fans of their long term plans might have helped if their claims are truthful. We may have shown a little more patience if we were so 'important' to the decision making process. I think it's BS though, convenient excuse.

17 Apr 2018 23:06:16
The more I think about it, the more I am glad we didn't get alegri. Juve are hardly pleasing on the eye most of the time and I wouldn't say I prefer his style over Jose's. They have walked a very poor Serie A league for years.
LVG whould have been a Director of Football in my opinion. Revamped the poor youth set up that had declined dramatically. Offered advice. Conte or maybe even Klopp. LVG would certainly advised him on the defensive side of the game he knew so well. Maybe he could have taken the next step?

One massive oversight was the loss of David Gill. He had the respect of every club behind the scenes. That man kept so many plates spinning its unreal. He must have left a huge hole in the club that is just as hard to fill as Fergie.

17 Apr 2018 23:16:22
I find it very hard to believe the club would change plans based on the negativity of some of the fan base. If they really believed in what they were doing, and they had the support of the sponsors, who I am sure they are much more concerned about than the fans, they would have stuck with Van Gaal for another year. He did win the cup after all.

They could have hid behind that. The problem was not the fans but the turgid football. The toxicity of the fans, insofar as it actually existed, was a direct result of the toxic product on the field. And that in turn was as a result of a lack of replacement of top players of equal quality, starting with the sale of Ronaldo. This toxic fan argument is just a defection from the appalling decision making by the OT directors under the Glazers, at least as far as football is concerned.

The facts are clear. There was no adequate planning to replace SAF. There was no planning to replace the likes of Scholes, Giggs, Keane etc etc. Clough and Taylor were extremely good at realising when to unload aging players. We did none of it. We held on until the team was full of players past their prime being paid large amounts of money, and still better than the players picked to replace them.

SAF was apparently going to get rid of Rooney, but a new manager comes in and gives him a ridiculous contract. SAF's brother told someone I met that he knew the team was done when he retired. All this is the result of businessmen who know next to nothing about football, buying into an opportunity through the use of excessive debt, and then coming up short. Who do they blame? The fans. I don't buy it.

17 Apr 2018 23:34:29
Guys ed was just giving us information and his opinion. Whether we agree with him or not let’s try not to drive him away from this page because his insight is what makes it worth coming on here. Whilst I don’t agree that keeping van gaal and getting allegri would necessarily have been better than now, we should respect his information as it is clearly coming from a well known source. Thanks again ed for providing that information.

17 Apr 2018 23:53:26
Totally agree with Ed some people live in la la land thinking its so easy to switch from one project to another project . In the latter years of Ferguson we didn't exactly see exciting football we just had a way of winning titles.

Now it seems we have bought players for the sake of it and have ni clear direction where the club is heading towards and watching big egos in our club not performing.

I think the best scenario here will be to either fukly back Mourinho or pay him what he wants and let him go elsewhere. We are kind of stuck in the middle which isn't the right way to be running the club.

People think thr manager has to love the club or the players have to love the club, i am sorry but gone are the days of emotional attachment.

It is about money and results now, and no manager or player has that attachment to a club.

18 Apr 2018 00:16:00
I have to watch Man Utd's rubbish football every week so I have a very good grasp of the damage done.

I think a major problem is the club doesn't care about its customers. If it did it wouldn't appointment three managers in a row who are known for boring defensive football.

If the club was interested in providing a good product it would have appointed managers who would provide exciting attacking football.

I think the club is complacent and believes there are so many fans it can do whatever and the money will keep rolling in.

I think that's true of many in the game and maybe you are guilty of this as well if you see the fans as in the wrong on this.

The 'toxic' fans have only reacted to the abuse the club has made of their support. They have simply let the club know they are not happy and quite rightly so.

18 Apr 2018 07:28:46
So my post didn’t make the editorial cut? Obviously not a site that supports free - and non-abusive - speech?

{Ed001's Note - you think Ed002 is here 24 hours a day waiting for someone like you to post their oh so important thoughts, just so he can reply to you? Arrogance drips out of you! Ever thought he might just not have seen it to deal with it yet? As it is, I might just delete your post for the sake of it, as I can't be doing with the likes of you who think the world revolves around them and has unnecessary digs at someone who does this for free and gives up their time so the likes of you can whine at them for not dropping everything in the early hours of the morning to deal with their post.}

17 Apr 2018 21:09:20
Thanks Ed for your answer to my question on this thread. I for one would have loved Allegri over Jose! Hey ho we move on and see what happens next season 😤.

17 Apr 2018 21:34:00
Never has a thread had me so confused. I consider myself an intelligent person, but I have no idea how I am 'toxic'? How did I or my peers disrupt board level plans? Since when in the history of football did supporters of a club become such a liability? I've read some bizarre theories in my time on various sites and and in questionable newspapers, but this smacks of somehow being personal.

These are genuine questions. I think Ed002, that whilst seemingly knowledgable, you leave many gaps for mere mortals such as ourselves to fill in. Maybe some tangible examples of how being 'toxic' manifested itself? This may help us all appreciate where we went wrong and how we have jeopardised the future of the club.

{Ed002's Note - This was done to death and I expalined in detail at the time. Why would you type such a ridiculous post - it is simply stupid and embarrassing?}

17 Apr 2018 21:54:17
The wage structure and state of the academy are testament to that, Ed.

17 Apr 2018 22:02:25
Football is a results business this is the one inescapable fact.

In every single Club in the land or the world for that matter if results are poor then the fans are unhappy. If results remain consistently poor then the fans demand change. This has happened at every single Club since the dawn of time.

So the Club had a plan. Well the first plan was to appoint a manager that not only hadn't won a single trophy but had failed to even win a single away game at Old Trafford, Anfield, Stamford Bridge or the Emirates. The Club decided to give this man a 6 year contract. The plan was to bring stability and continuity the plan was rubbish.

If we are to believe Ed 2 the Club had another cunning plan. They wanted to give another season to a manager that didn't like his sides to play a forward pass. A manager that preferred to play more football in his own box than the oppositions, a manager that finished outside the top 4 and the prize at the end of all this was Allegri! Brilliant!

Now I have nothing against Allegri, he's done a brilliant job at Juventus but there is absolutely no guarantee he would have been a success at Utd. The plan it would seem was to give this man a 5 year contract until he retired in 2022. It all sounds fabulous but we've forgotten one thing, the most important thing, football is a results business.

LVG ruined the plan not the fans.

If we have toxic fans then Chelsea have a toxic board. They sacked Jose, a man that brought them their first titles in over 50 years. They sacked Ancelotti after he won them the double, they sacked Di Matteo after he won them the Champions League, they sacked Scolari, a World Cup winner half way through his first season, they sacked Jose again and now their going to sack Conte.

This has nothing to do with toxic fans and everything to do with what happens on the pitch.

This is football that's all.

{Ed002's Note - You should start your posts "Speaking from a position of ignorance ..."

Clearly your knowledge of Chelsea is about zero - and it is certainly embrarrassing to read that.

I explained what happened at Manchester United at the time. Clearly you simply don't understand. It doesn't matter as it is very clear the truth is not what is wanted - I will hold back on most things going forward now.}

17 Apr 2018 22:55:35
ed02 - as you have mentioned JM does not really want to be here, but he is.

Do you happen to know if the club have a 5 year plan still in place, even if that is extending JM's contract.

Allegri would have been a great choice and still would be but if that boat has now sailed then so be it.

Also if you don't mind what transfers were in place which had to be scrapped when VG got the boot?


{Ed002's Note - The club has a five year plan, as they are responsible to the finincially to maintain one. It covers any planned major changes and the finances with predicted income, including whether the clubs plans for CL every season or not, etc..}

18 Apr 2018 08:55:24
Park3lung, no one is having a go at ed002. In fact this is the only site iv found that cuts through all the bullshit and has stayed true to its roots and has just been about the community and honest information. That doesn't mean you can't ask questions. I'm still hazey and so are a lot of fans to this "toxic" label we received and how the Directors came to view the fans like that.

Something doesn't add up. Either the board used the "toxic" fans tag to scupper those deals because they didn't wanna sign those players in January and back LvG. Or the flip side is, they are severely incompetent and changed 5 years of plans in the future because fans didn't like the football on show.

I been reading this site for 13 years. It's were I and everyone else comes for honesty and truth. What ed002 is saying is no doubt the truth. I would just like to know what it was the fans exactly done is all.

18 Apr 2018 09:04:04
Wow. That was an interesting debate. I agree with ed002 about the club not going forward, that's clear to see. But I'm not sure who these "toxics" are that they could order rhe Glazers and Woodward to do what they want. Perhaps if ed002 explained more about them, then we will in a better position to judge.
As sime posters might know, i live near lvg in Portugal, i am very friendly with the manager who looks after his house and has done so for 12 years. He also socializes with him. Lvg is very outspoken and tells him everything. The succession plan was to bring Pep to United but the owners didn't not meet his demands. Big mistake as we know now. No one told the board to turn down Pep.
Toxic fans could just be passionate fans. But how could they influence decisions made at a club. We have owners and a chief exec onboard, so if they do everything the fans want, they shouldn't be managing the club. I think we've seen that they are very astutue financially and I'm sure they have advisors telling them what to do all the time. The thought that a few if us lot in the "singing end" or "strettford end" influincing the glazers is bizarre. No one was singing lvg out or moyes out and no one is singing mourinho out. And no one went on mass protests against the club or manager. In fact, our fans have behaved impeccably in view of the shambolic handover after the fergie era.
No one knows what happens behind closed doors. But these things go in cycles. 99% of the football world want to see us fail, but we must hope that the club can turn things around. The fans can't make decisions as it is a plc company, so we must hope that the owners and management make the right decisions in time to see the club move forward.
A very enjoyable debate and no one should take anything personally.

{Ed002's Note - There was already an agreement with the "new" manager - and it was not Guardiola (who would have been at Manchester City for a year before van Gaal's contract was up). I explained the plan long before van Gaal left that this was Max Allegri.

To be clear. Guardiola was sounded out about the Manchester managerial job in December 2012 whilst he was in the United States and taking a year out after leaving Barcelona. I also explained that at the time. The meeting and dinner with Sir Alex Ferguson was facilitated by a third party at the specific request of SAF.

Someone has clearly confused the story before relaying it to you AAA.}

18 Apr 2018 09:10:31
Liverpool fan in peace.

A couple of things that confuse me a little with this discussion.

When LVG was brought in I remember personally being told by all of my Man Utd supporting mates that 'this is the guy to take us back to the top'. They were so excited by the appointment. I didn't really come on this part of the site at the time but wasn't that the general consensus with most of the posters/ fanbase at the time?

If so, why are people insinuating that the club made the wrong decision and that the fans didn't deserve what followed? The club got rid of Moyes because it wasn't working out, I get that. It clearly wasn't, but I think a lot of people rated LVG as the Dutch manager. At the time I doubt many fans were livid with the club for appointing him. In hindsight it was the wrong decision, but at the time? Not so much so? .

I remember everyone I know being underwhelmed when Moyes came in, i think that most people thought 'what the hell'. it was a really odd appointment, Fergie sponsored or not. But I don't think LVG was in the same ball park in terms of people's expectations when being announced.

Wasn't he contracted until 2017? Surely watching his football, as bad on the eye as it was, everyone knew that there would be no chance of a contract renewal. So why would the club need to come out and let the fans know what's going on in terms of the next manager to pacify them at the time? . They're hardly going to come out and say 'we know LVG is playing putrid football atm, but hang in there guys and girls. In 2017 Allegri will be here and everything will be hunky dory', are they?

When city did a similar thing pre-Guardiola, it was widely criticised and most footie fans thought it was hugely disrespectful to both Bayern and Pellegrini to come out with their plans for the next season half way through a campaign. In fact, at the time people were adamant it could de-rail remaining results and efforts.

With the greatest of respect maybe some of the excusing of what went on at the time is down to the fact that Utd fans had become absolutely accustomed with consistent success. Its not like the club was nosediving. Fans absolutely panicked over not qualifying for the CL. With the amount of capital available to spend at a club like Utd its impossible to fall too far from the pack in just a couple of seasons. You have the ability to outspend everyone apart from City. You also don't have a board like Arsenal's who loathe to invest anywhere near what Utd do on a general season to season basis.

18 Apr 2018 09:46:32
Smallsy, I didn't know one Utd fan who didn't have some to serious doubts about LVG. From his abrasive personality, to his outdated anti-football, as epitomized by his Dutch team at the world cup, this was never an appointment that filled us with hope. More, a possible calming of the waters after the turbulence of SAF's departure. Nothing more.

18 Apr 2018 09:47:13
Ok Ed Chelsea don't sack their managers?

If I don't understand something it's because it either doesn't make sense or it's not been explained properly.

I'm neither ignorant nor embarrassing and have never used such inflammatory or derogatory language to described other posters. No doubt if I did I'd get banned.

If you want to give information it has to be credible and make sense otherwise you get threads like this and when you refuse to explain your position you retort to personal insults.

Ed 1 - I also think that was very harsh on Timbo. We're only trying to establish why we're all toxics. Nobody comes on here to be personally insulted.

{Ed002's Note - 1. Your post was from a position of ignorance and made statements about another club that were untrue and embarrassing.

2. No one has said that you are "all toxics".

Perhaps you and Timbo should read the posts and replies more carefully before making any further comment?}

18 Apr 2018 09:49:00
Mumbles I agree mate I think in an age of rubbish journalism where everybody thinks they are a journalist on Twitter, this site is refreshing. Which is why I am simply saying I don’t want us to drive ed away again because we may disagree with what he is saying. I know everyone is entitled to their opinion but sometimes we should appreciate that ed is coming from a position of greater knowledge on the matter than us. We aren’t in the know. I know nobody has had a go at him but if he didn’t give his input this site would be dead like the Chelsea page.

I think as we are united fans sometimes we cannot see the picture as clearly as someone who doesn’t have an affiliation with the club. When you are too close to something you sometimes cannot see it’s flaws. I’m not saying that we should have kept Van Gaal and gone ahead with the allegri plan as I don’t necessarily think we would be in a better position. But I do think it is quite clear we have a manager who doesn’t really want to be here, who isn’t a right fit for the club and who has a track record of being at a club no longer than 3 years. Our wage structure is a joke quite frankly and we are throwing obscene amounts of money at players (Sanchez springs to mind) .

If PSG were to take Jose off our hands perhaps it wouldn’t be the worst thing. But it is clear that is not going to happen. The sensible thing is to allow Jose to finish his 3 years so we must back him in the summer. As to the idea of toxic fans, I can see both sides. Van Gaal had to go and his football was the worat I’ve ever seen. I used to miss games and not be too bothered. I can see how the board would have sacked him because of the unrest but I think that says more about the board than the fans. Losing David Gill was huge and we are still suffering imo. It has been mentioned before that a director of football has been looked at and having read this thread, I think it is something which we need desperately.

18 Apr 2018 10:11:08
Ed 2 - There is nothing untrue or embarrassing about saying Chelsea sack their managers.

If this is not the case then please explain why without retorting to insults? If this is an ignorant point of view then maybe if you explained why I might change my point of view?

I read this site for information and to read other people's opinion's. I try to give my own opinion as eloquently as possible.

I don't think it's right just to label someone ignorant without explaining why? I understand that you don't have the time to reply in depth to every post and this is the Utd page. You obviously read some posts in exasperation but if you haven't got the time to explain why you think that view is wrong then maybe it's best just not to comment.

Anyway obviously you can do as you please and I wouldn't be so arrogant or condescending to tell you how to reply to your posts I was just trying to give you an insight of a person at the other end.

{Ed002's Note - It is untrue and you clearly have no idea about it. Why do you expect me to explain something about another club you don't understand on the Manchester United page? Try and stick to making statements that you know to be correct rather than making statements that are incorrect and therefore embarrassing. If you don't know then say nothing rather than making stuff up that simply makes you look stupid.}

18 Apr 2018 10:50:31
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{Ed002's Note - You keep sharing the ignorance Danny. But not here any more.}

18 Apr 2018 12:14:48
ed02 - many thanks for your update. Would the plan consist of keeping JM for the 5 years as well as him leaving during this period.

{Ed002's Note - There is little point in going in to detail at this time.}



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