31 Mar 2018 08:13:22
I’m somewhat baffled by the Martial transfer concerns. He’s lethargic, sullen and seems to loose possession more often than not. He is undoubtedly skilful and still very young. But is that enough?
11 goals in 41 appearances. Potential no doubt. But 22 is not 18, especially in terms of emotional development for me where he seems lacking. Very rarely see him attempt to recover his mistakes and I suspect some of his aloofness will never go.
I’m certainly not saying he’s worthless or top of the list to sell, but I don’t feel José warrants criticism if he does sell him. He’s definitely not an ‘untouchable’.
{Ed025's Note - im with you timbo, he has the talent but does he have the heart? i want to see my players busting a gut and loathe to be left out or taken off and i just dont see that in martial, is he one of the new breed who thinks hes made it and just happy to live the lifestyle and pick up the cheque every week?, im not sure mate..
31 Mar 2018 09:54:15
You can't blame him to be fair. He is never a winger and he won't get chances as a striker until Mourinho is here.
If we can get a proper winger in place od him and improve our team then that is ther perfect for me.
Players come and go, next year we will forget about him once he has gone.
We need players that isn't going to sulk or be emotional about every little thing.
I have auppoeted Martial for a long time but it looks like he is picking on every little thing. He has the talwnt to be a top top player but he needs to grind out the tough tines like Lingard has over the years.
I just think he is worried about his position in the france team as there are so many players ahead of him at the moment.
31 Mar 2018 10:20:29
Singh when do you think we will see Jose here, I'm getting a bit impatient about it now😀😀😀.
{Ed025's Note - well some do see him as the second coming leahy.. :)
31 Mar 2018 10:44:16
I think martial has been far better than pogba this year .
That said they are both very good players.
31 Mar 2018 10:48:23
Of course you can blame him. If he's not trying as hard as he could, regardless of where he's played, that's a problem.
31 Mar 2018 10:59:00
Martial and rash have covered the left side attack for much of the season and between them got 23 goals and 16 assists, I don't see their position as a problem area . They are both comparable to mane stats wise and all 3 have similar goals and assists . The numbers from the right hand side of attack is where the goals and assists change drastically compared to our rivals with Salah and Stirling . I'd address the right before looking at the left . Its why I'd have tried Sanchez on the right to see if we can fix the problem instead of playing him left where we were doing quite well anyway .
31 Mar 2018 11:18:47
Loll he is more visible then most of our players. He certainly is better then every other manager out there. 🤣🤣.
31 Mar 2018 12:13:54
jred.
Being better than Pogba this year really isn't that special is it?
31 Mar 2018 13:01:53
I think all this with Martial, Pogba and Shaw could put off future transfers, especially any younger ones. It doesn't look good some of the best young player around being moved on after a few years, what does it say to other players?
I for one think this could be a big mistake in more ways than one.
31 Mar 2018 13:24:35
Martial isn't a striker. Imagine him up front alone? No movement or power. His biggest asset is pace, hence why a wide player is best for him.
31 Mar 2018 13:34:11
@Murph, I see where you're coming from, but each of those you mention have issues known to the footballing world:
- Pogba: Social media fame getting to him. In love with himself. Egocentric with a passion for elaborate hair styles. Used to playing in a team that is built solely for him. I don't see why he deserves to be carried in such a way when I see the likes of David Silva and De Bruyne chasing down players, tackling, niggling and cajoling week after week. Pogba isn't anywhere near their class yet.
- Martial: Lethargic. Heartless (I love that description Ed025). Emotions are contagious on a football pitch and I worry how much his persona rubs off on other players who see his shoulders and bottom lip drop.
- Shaw: Unprofessional. Overweight. Fed-up with it. Managers less capable than Jose have stated that Shaw has baggage. We're seeing it season after season now.
Plenty of footballers do not have these traits and will know if they are worthy of the United shirt. Many will like a ruthless manager who only wants 11 men committed to the cause week after week. At the moment I question how much each of the above are committed to United. Talent is god-given, however we all have the ability to work on our attitude and develop a work-ethic - and that is where all of the above seem to be lacking.
I cannot think of one United legend who sulked/ behaved in any of the ways these three do. This is less to do with cultural change in football and more about what's inside each player. I truly hope that this summer window is the one where these negativities are rooted out. Its taken a long time coming, but personally this summer is more about who is going than it is who is coming in. Time to change the culture in the dressing room. Time to stand 100% behind Jose. I've put my faith in him - I truly believe he is compromising on quality of football in favour of results due to a poor squad. Seems entirely sensible in a longer term plan to me.
I see the Sevilla result for some players being not too dissimilar to those who played against MK Dons a few years ago. Out the door you go divas.
{Ed025's Note - cracking post timbo and full of perspective, i still dont think jose is the man for united but he does have some massive ego,s and prima-donnas to deal with mate..
31 Mar 2018 13:55:48
Timbo
Was pogba not the managers big signing?
{Ed025's Note - he was jred, but until you take the wrapper off the sweet you dont know how it tastes mate.. :)
31 Mar 2018 13:57:21
Get what your saying Timbo, was expecting a reply like that, and i agree with you, it just concerns me the amount of players we have bought over the last 4-5yrs who have not progressed or left for what ever reason, and i think it could cause us some problems in the transfer market. Hope I'm wrong,
Great reply Timbo.
31 Mar 2018 14:03:31
Ed
That's an expensive way of finding a sweet you like.
{Ed025's Note - it is jred but i think jose thought he was getting the boss in the purple suit and ended up with the toffee penny mate...well certainly not quality street.. :)
31 Mar 2018 14:07:58
There's too many in the squad that lack character required for a trophy winning team. Whether Jose is the right man or not us another question. But that dressing room needs a good clear out.
31 Mar 2018 14:13:07
Thanks Ed025 - for what it's worth I'm not sure I'm a Jose fan either, however in my opinion the United board have no choice but to show these players that 'Jose rules'.
We all know SAF made some astonishing player decisions at times (moving on Hughes, Kanchelskis, Ince, Stam, RVN - and he would of Rooney too) that made many wonder what the hell he was he doing. Whilst there were ago issues with each of those players many supporters still felt they should be kept. These guys had steel, skill and a win-at-all-cost attitude. Try putting Martial's demeanour on any of those players and see how wrong it looks and feels. Ultimately though the manager ruled and reached even higher levels after they all left. No player ever became bigger than the club, with for me Roy Keane, one of the greatest players ever to grace the shirt, being the stellar case in point.
For me its simple. if United don't fully support Jose now irrespective of what we think of his tactics very dark very long times will prevail. The King is dead, long live Jose etc.
31 Mar 2018 14:15:12
That's a great post timbo.
31 Mar 2018 18:12:52
If Martial leaves I guarantee most people on here in a few years time will be regretting him leaving.
31 Mar 2018 18:29:26
Shappy,
Have you ever noticed that as soon as we are linked to a player they suddenly become world Class and exactly what we need .
As as soon as there is a report in the paper that a player might leave he suddenly becomes not that good.