19 Mar 2018 23:12:47
Best post of the day for me has been from leahy.
Shaw should now be busting a gut to prove the manager wrong either here or at another club. If he does that and emds up fulfilling his potential i'd lay any money if you ask him when he was 50 what turned your career arond he will point to this week.
If he fails and doesn't turn his career arond well then he can't blame jose he is only 22 if he can't recover from this then he doesn't deserve to. If he was my son i'd be saying listen to your manager he knows more than you or me.
19 Mar 2018 23:17:14
I wonder if Kevin De Bruyne thinks Jose turned his career around?
19 Mar 2018 23:27:08
Did the same with Salah, and his confidence in Lukaku pushed him to become the player he signed for treble what he sold him for. José’s record with young players is sketchy to say the least. Doesn’t seem to have any capacity to help them develop.
19 Mar 2018 23:36:29
Ask him when he is retired jred. Nothing wrong with being rejected if you come bsck stronger. Maybe if he had sat in the reserves at chelsea or on the bench for 3 years he wouldn't be the player he is today. Great example of what shaw can achieve if he keeps his head down and uses this as motivation. But will he do it is he good enough. Only luke shaw has the answer within his control.
I think that's probably the most sensible thing I've seen from you in the past 5 years. Great example well done jred. ðŸ‘ðŸ‘ðŸ‘ðŸ‘ðŸ‘.
19 Mar 2018 23:46:38
Ken
100%
like KDB Shaw has the talent.
KDB has been pretty critical of Jose not sure Shaw will be singing his praises
I had a funny feeling you would come up with a post like this;)
19 Mar 2018 23:52:21
I wouldn't mind a manager being hard on a player if he wasn't performing. BUT can anybody hand on heart say that Shaw has been bad when he has played this season? Granted he hasn't been amazing, couple of dodgy games, but he has been no worse and often better than most of the other players when he has actually been picked.
Of course he isn't going to be super fit if he is dropped after being one of our best players and 'rested' for several weeks. Couple that with his obvious trouble keeping weight off. It feels like the manager is doing whatever he can to make life difficult for the lad and I find it deplorable.
Shaw was incredible before he got injured. Those of you backing the manager in this are simply 'trusting' the manager's obvious vendetta/ double standards over what your eyes tell you.
I thought the pitch is where you are meant to do your talking, why is it different for Shaw? Maybe if the manager would stop messing around with the LW position that might help as well? A bit of consistency wouldn't go amiss with team selection or at the very least being consistent with what is considered a bad performance, Shaw seems to start each game with -10 in his column. It's a joke.
19 Mar 2018 23:56:26
"It is true that he said in the press that I wasn't doing what was needed in training, "
"It was easy to say that because there was no-one to check it - the training sessions were closed to the public. But everyone knows I am not like that.
"I never let anyone put me down. I say what I have to say, with respect of course. But at that moment, I couldn't do anything because he would have said I was lying and afterwards he would have used it"
KDB on Jose. Not a great relationship.
20 Mar 2018 00:04:56
Well talent only brings you so far at tbis level. If he has the mentality then he has no worries its not like thete is a shortage of football clubs to play for. Some say kdb best in europe at the moment i'm not so sure shaw will reach tbose heights but very few do. But he can still be a top player its not too late for him but he does have to change a lot in order to be one of the best.
As paddy maguinness would say the power is in his hands.
20 Mar 2018 00:15:07
The power is in Jose's hands I think Ken.
20 Mar 2018 00:45:12
time for a change of manager his negative attitude has a stagnant cloud hanging over the whole place, bring in the attack minded Pochettino.
20 Mar 2018 06:49:25
Beast, good post. He was challenged by Jose, he came back and played well, got a heap of praise off the Manager, and was immediately dropped. He is then out of the team again for a couple of months, comes back, plays ok for a half, gets hooked and berated in need the press.
Shaw might not win a tribunal for bullying but if he made a complaint in house I suspect Jose would be told to give it a rest. According to the hspysterocal tabloid press there are already concerns from both other players and board members about how Jose is treating Shaw.
We have no idea what goes on behind the scenes but when he has played he has done well, yet he then gets dropped. I thought he was ok the other night so not sure again why he was the one singled out. I think Shaw can go on to be a top quality player who has a great career, I hope it’s with us but I fear it won’t be.
20 Mar 2018 06:56:28
What’s this obsession with Pochettino? I like him but he has to show he is a winner to be our manager, get over the line more than once. His teams seem to fall at key moments and that won’t be good enough here.
As for Shaw, LvG made comment about him, I read his lifestyle just was not conducive to playing at our level. We don’t know, we can only speculate what goes on behind closed doors but perhaps successive managers have tried different methods and it now needs a shock to him. He reacted to LvG criticism and played well until his terrible injury. It’s about how he reacts now. Remember Busby put Law on the transfer list to bring him round.
20 Mar 2018 07:26:27
Ken. Finally agree! But don't hold your breath over Shaw!
20 Mar 2018 07:32:43
Beast, Shaw has the talent but hasn't a football brain and definitely hasn't got the mentality and self control of a top footballer. Defensively, he's all over the place. That's why mourinho doesn't trust him.
Do I like the way mourinho keeps on publicly shaming him? Of course not.
20 Mar 2018 07:40:19
Every manager he has played for has raised the same concerns so there is obviously an issue with Shaw.
And I thought one of the eds said KdB left Chelsea had nothing to do with Jose.
20 Mar 2018 08:02:12
Mort
Was that not Lukaku.
20 Mar 2018 08:16:04
Shaw has been nothing short of dreadful.
He hides in games and doesn't want the ball. If you don't believe me just watch him if he gets another chance. He stands next to his man so he can't receive the ball and gives us absolutely nothing. Seriously next time your at Old Trafford just watch him for 15-20 minutes. Just watch his positioning, just watch if he wants the ball, just watch if he makes any overlaps, watch his work rate, how quickly he gets up and down the pitch. He doesn't even want to be out there in my opinion. Go back and watch his games and tell me I'm wrong.
I challenge anybody to name a single game when Shaw has played anywhere near the level of a world class full back. I bet you won't find one. He's done ok in some games but no better than Blind or Young and that's why he can't get in the team. He's had numerous chances and failed to deliver. Compare him to Rashford who came back against L'pool and bagged a brace. Compare the desire, intensity, dedication, work rate.
As for bullying I don't think taking somebody off at HT amounts to bullying. If Shaw was our best player and he gets hooked then fair enough but he clearly wasn't. Jose has publicly praised him on occasions as well. All
I can see is a manger desperately trying everything he can in order to get a reaction and performance from a player.
It's Shaw's responsibility to perform on the pitch.
It's not worked out for him at Utd. Let the lad go and play somewhere else, salvage his career and wish him luck. I think we're barking up the wrong tree with this one.
20 Mar 2018 09:00:08
Shaw was a risk worth taking but it hasn’t worked out. As Mort said, every manager he had played for had called him out for his diet, attitude and the company he keeps. I know some people at Southampton who commented that he was not trusted to be left alone as he would constantly be eating junk food etc.
There is no doubt he is a good footballer, he just hasn’t got the mentality for a top club where I can only imagine the pressure to play well and go above and beyond every single day is too much for him. Let him go where there is less scrutiny and pressure. Time to move on and upgrade our full back options. Personally, I’d upgrade Smalling and Jones, and we will need to replace Carrick and Fellaini too. Martial has one more season to become the player we hope he will be.
As for KDB, I think you’ll find Fergie did the same sign Pogba but you don’t hear this anymore. One mistake is hardly the end of the world. Plus, the Chelsea players at the time all agreed he wasn’t good enough to start and he moaned a lot. Salah was up against Hazard, Robben etc. And Lukaku couldn’t get a game in front of one of the best strikers we have seen in this country in Drogba who was simply world class. Get over it guys it’s crazy to dwell on all this.
20 Mar 2018 09:15:32
Good post Eric.
20 Mar 2018 11:31:38
Thanks ken, any chance of a good job.
A cushy number now I'm looking for.
20 Mar 2018 12:00:37
Leahy no cushy numbers and you'll only be allowed get your hair cut twice a year😂.
20 Mar 2018 12:07:22
Ok I'll work hard and grow my hair.