18 Mar 2018 15:16:49
Can you just imagine what this site wiuld have been like in 86, 87, 88 and 89.
Fergie and the team struggling fergie getting shot of fans favourites. Signing solld pros like viv anderson. Paying record fees for players who did not deliver after 9 games. Players struggling to get to grips with his iron fist and regimental methods.
He disimproved results and performances over 1st 3 years. Crowd booing the team calling for his head.
Slagging off the players in the press for their laziness and publicly slamming the drink culture and lack of professionilism. Bullying players into having their hair cut etc etc
Someone posted yesterday that we only have to look at our own history to see what we need. They were right we need patience and tolerance while a proven winning manager sorts out the shambles of a squad he was left with and a non winning whining culture. A squad full of hangers on and lazy unprofessional attitudes. Very much like the squad jose took over.
Id rather give jose another year to see if he can turn it around i'm pretty sure he knows what he is doing top manager with a top record.
Fergie was just as marmite wjen he came down here for 1st few years. He made big claims but he delivered in the end and tje football in 87 and 88 was miles worse than what we have now. The results were worse too.
18 Mar 2018 15:49:14
The comparison to Fergie is irrelevant; that was a different time. The comparisons to Klopp, Guardiola and Pochettino are what's relevent because they are the guys with the modern approach to the game, whereas Jose hasn't evolved in the last 20 years.
I don't understand why anyone would prefer to have slow, dull defensive football rather than fast, adventurous attacking football.
I know you like both Ken but given the choice, which style would you prefer to watch every week?
18 Mar 2018 15:41:49
Very different club in 86.
18 Mar 2018 16:22:58
Mancman them managers you give an example of other than pep have won nothing in English football.
18 Mar 2018 16:38:45
Klopp and pochetino have nothing like the resources avalable that mourinho has and yet the 3 teams are very similar in terms of points tally and spurs and Liverpool play a better brand of football.
18 Mar 2018 16:44:32
So Poch and Klopp are perfect are they?
Much of Liverpool's success this year has been moments of sheer brilliance from their front 3 or 4 players. Same with Chelsea and us from what I see. We put a few goals in and everything is great. We don't score and it is a disaster.
The key difference of this masterclass of modern football is the high press verses low press. Look at the league table and see which is working better.
Pep has the best players and I would say is the only manager with ground breaking tactics. He has city in another division.
I believe the club and fans should always back the manager over the players. Doesn't matter if it is Beckham, Keanu, Mark Hughes, Lee Sharpe Paul Pogba or Luke Shaw. Shaw had a crap game yesterday as he has all season. Jose said he would have taken off both full backs but would use too many subs. Shaw has the talent but is being kept out of the team by Young - that says it all and Shaw will surely be gone in the summer.
Martial is the same, a few stats and highlight reel moments does not make up for the turgid stroll around the pitch zero movement performances that he has been turning in.
Rash went the same way and he took him out of the team - when he came back in he suddenly looked fired up and hungry again.
Think back to how good Pogba and Matic looked in their first 5 games. Both looked world beaters and the effort dial was turned right up.
This team is full of overpaid payers who think they can turn up, stroll around and beat anyone. When it doesn't go to plan they start hiding.
Good on Jose for telling them some home truths in the only place they take any notice - the public eye. He should have tweeting the interview to Pogba and pulled a Dab at the end.
18 Mar 2018 16:53:49
They teach History for a reason, so we can learn from the past. There are differences from when SAF took over, different issues to deal with, yet there are some similarities which cannot just be dismissed. Mourinho did not come into a club with a great team or one with a plan in progress, like Guardiola, instead our club has been lurching around following a pathetic transition.
Now these modern managers, I like Poch but he hasn’t proved himself yet, when it mattered his team seem to fall short and for me he has to show he can finish things off, more than once, then I believe he has more of an appropriate cv.
The modern, or so called modern theories are close down high win the ball high and play. Besides Barcelona who had Messi, how many major European trophies have been won in this way? Klopp has a method but as yet we are hardly seeing spectacular success from his method.
Success is winning trophies.
18 Mar 2018 16:56:40
Ive said time and again manc man i don't like the style we are playing. But i think its a means to an end for the time being. Mainly due to the fact if we went toe to toe with the better teams we would be getting battered and our defece would be exposed.
Chelsea were never as bad as our football is now.
If he gets the players he needs the style will improve. It won't be like city but pep is unique in that regard but it will be a lot better and when he finds the right blend he will find a winning formula.
Nobidy wants boring football but i'm prepared to accept he is building a squad and it takes time.
I much prefer attacking football but i can still appreciate good defending.
If you have no takers for your season ticket for the rest of the season let me know i'd be happy to go and support the club in your absense.
Winning is the most important thing but no point crying when its not going our way. I havnt boycotted the club ever since my first match in 77. I didn't throw my toys out of the pram when i hsd to watch poor football for last 5 years. Ill give my opinion on. players and coaches and style but i didn't boycott when we signed anti footballers like fellaini and i won't stop going because jose is playing defencive football. I look for the positives and despite tbe poor play there are positives at the moment.
18 Mar 2018 16:50:26
Course not. That's why klopps bought a 75 million donkey who can't defend and is pinning next season on a 40 million kid no one had heard of 18 months ago. Liverpool might play better football but still won nothing. Poch might play better football. Still won nothing.
And there's a lot of parallels to '86.
18 Mar 2018 16:59:14
Den liverpool spent more than us this year.
Klopp and poch been in their roles longer . Oh and neither have won anything. So to me that means jose is doing a better job so far than they are.
18 Mar 2018 17:02:12
Dodgy Banter hats off to you what a a post. Completely agree with what you said a lot of these players now days are very pampered and have too much power in their hands.
18 Mar 2018 17:34:24
Against the better teams like Newcastle and co .
Excusses, poor Jose.
18 Mar 2018 17:46:43
The comparison to ‘86 is spurious, we hadn’t won the League for almost 20 years, were struggling badly and finished 11th that year. The following year we were runners up but SAF realised he had to change things hence the 2 following seasons that were mainly pants. He took a sleeping giant and turned them into the dominant force,
Ken, I respect that you think the players are rubbish and that Jose should be trusted, I have no issue with you holding that opinion. But it is just your opinion and comparisons to others really don’t wash as it is just as easy to counter that with other comparisons.
I think as a site we have done this to death. Some think Jose was right to slag off the players, some think he was wrong. Some think our players are better than we are seeing, some don’t. Some 5ink Jose is the future, others think he is yesterday’s man. Time for us all to move on for now I think.
18 Mar 2018 17:48:34
Bang on DB. Bang on red man bang on singh bang on mort.
Great post DB. Players can prance around take videos at training live there life on social media. Too much to say for themselves. Man up or pi## off is what i'd say. If they have any balls at all yhey should be busting a gut to prove the manager wrong. I bet sanchez reacts the right way. I bet rash does too but the flakes wont.
18 Mar 2018 17:54:09
Here we go with the fergie did it too defense, if mourinho kills someone on the pitch tomorrow i am sure ken and redman will find something related to SAF and compare it with him.
18 Mar 2018 17:57:53
Ajh that's the case in any debate. I think as said above there are many comparisons with 86. We have been a sleeping giant for 5 years now do i have to wait 26 before making obvoius (to me and it looks like others ) comparrisons.
18 Mar 2018 18:01:36
Jred you don't think he should be fired i'd like to hear your reado5ns why not. We don't agree on very much but we both agree he should not be fired so i'd like to hear your reasons. All you ever do is ask questions or make veiled digs so it would be nice for you to get off the fence and give us your opinion on why he shouldn't be fired. Share with the group and enlighten us with your opinion.
18 Mar 2018 18:03:30
I think ed made some very good points down the page as well .
It's silly season at the moment.
18 Mar 2018 18:05:01
Ajh do you not think jose has to change things.
Found it interesting today that jose found an ally in lvg who has said that many of the players he coacjed at united were totally unprofessional that's ehat jose inherited. that's what fergie inherited. Pretty obvious comparison to me. The place is rotten with unprofessional attitudes. For lvg to back jose up it must be true.
18 Mar 2018 18:05:17
Jeez ken, that’s a stretch even for you. 5 is way longer than 20. I understand you’re view, you don’t have to try and justify it every 5 minutes.
18 Mar 2018 17:59:56
I second that Mr. Singh!
Couldn't have said it better myself, really wonderfully written post @dodgybanter.
18 Mar 2018 18:28:34
Ken
You missed always answers questions and backs up my opinion .
You just post your opinion over and over again .
No idea why my opinion is so important to you or why your need to try to justify yourself is so strong . that's may be not true I think I have a good idea .
Why wouldn't I sack Jose. Because like I have said all season he is doing ok nowt wrong with second in the league to this city team.
Points wise style wise Jose is just doing what Jose does why are people so surprised.
The page is comedy gold at the moment . when we singed Jose people like you where raving building him up to be some kind of god. It's been excuse after stupid excuse since .
Trying to justify all the other silly posts .
Ed hit the nail on head further down the page .
But the ranting is getting a bit boring it just sounds like desperation at the moment.
18 Mar 2018 18:37:16
I shouldn't miss ed2 out either who gives a good summary on the rumours page.
18 Mar 2018 18:39:33
As I said a few weeks certain players were pish under Moyes, pish under LvG and now pish under Jose. can't all be down to the manager surely.
18 Mar 2018 18:51:13
Jred i didn't want jose at united in the 1st place at all. I never built him up to be a god at all.
I do t like his persona and a lot of his personality traits
But he is here now. Whomever came in had a very difficult job taking over a poor squad. But he does succeed and leaves good squads behind him when he goes. I choose to support the manager of the club i was one of the last on here to turn on lvg. I went to lots of seminars and coacing sessions in the ajax acadamy and had lots of time for lvg when i saw him coaching 1st hand i loved his sesdions, but in the end my patience ran out with him at united
Im more patient with jose because i think his job is even tougher than it first appeared to many.
I like lots about jose but dislike lots too. At the moment i think he is the right man to bring us foward and sacking him would put us back years. The minute he is gone i won't think twice about him as he won't be the manager of my club anymore.
The eds have their opinion only last week you got ticked off like me for boring ed004 you must have been repeating yourself😂😂😂.
18 Mar 2018 19:03:07
Ken
Have a word the summer we got pogba and Jose nobody could post any thing remotely negative about either .
You where Jose daft lol
You really couldn't make it up .
Page has been comedy gold today .
18 Mar 2018 19:16:39
You love the search engine jred.
' i have gone on record before that i don't like mou. He has very unpleasant character traits his football can be boring but he is a winner. We need a c change at the club. He needs to clear out a lot of players and build his squad. To be honest i'd prefer hom in our dressing room than in the opposition's. He will get my full support he is our mou now'
18 Mar 2018 19:19:47
You think he has done nowt wrong yet like an old lady in the supermarket with her little friends yet all you do is snipe and make veiled digs. Nobody would like to be stuck in the trenches with you. You have more faces than big ben. A cowardly sort of character you are.
18 Mar 2018 21:18:25
And there you have it, when you are losing an argument, resort to name calling.
18 Mar 2018 21:46:53
Im not losing an argument ajh i'm not having an argument but when insulted ill defend in the way i'm insulted. Take your superior holier than thou attitude somewhere else. how many times have you abused ronnie mr memory man. People in glass houses fella.
18 Mar 2018 21:54:57
It's comedy gold, it's like the last 2 seasons never happened .
I never wanted Jose🤣🤣🤣 dear me.
19 Mar 2018 06:25:48
Read the posts denis.
19 Mar 2018 07:48:22
Ken
People do read the post that your problem . you have been ramming your opinion down our throats for years so we know the score .
You can try to reinvent yourself all you want but it's a bit late a bit funny and a bit sad.
19 Mar 2018 09:26:37
Ken, I'm not boycotting; I'm just bored. On Saturday night I sat in the freezing cold for two hours and my brain was as numb as my feet. What a waste of my time when I could have been at home or having a night out with my partner and friends.
A boycott suggests an active interest wheras I have lost interest just like the players because the football is so dull.
Football is not meant to be boring. If it is then it's being played wrongly.