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01 Mar 2018 08:36:35
I'm one of the few against var and again last night showed why.
Football is not designed to be as stop start as this . It's awful.

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01 Mar 2018 08:42:11
It's here to stay but needs to be shown on the big screen and spoken decision by an official for everyone in the stadium and quicker. 😆😆.

01 Mar 2018 09:09:28
VAR is an abomination, get rid, football has been fine for over 100 years, if it ain’t broke. last night was embarrassing for football and let’s be honest, everyone says it’s a ‘trial’ this is many times now VAR has been more hassle than its worth, I would prefer human error.

01 Mar 2018 09:12:23
Much like United at the moment, what system isn't awful in the testing stage?

Both will need time to iron out the kinks.


01 Mar 2018 09:12:40
Needds improving but it is a good thing imo. Love it.

01 Mar 2018 09:13:49
I agree that it's not Being implemented in the correct manner at the moment. I'm disappointed but not surprised that there hasn't been high level talks between the powers that be in football and the companies and authorities who make it work so well in rugby.
Do they not think they might be able to bring something to the party?

I think it will be a good thing for football eventually, however at the moment no one knows quite what is going on, the fans in the stadium don't know what is going on, and I don't think the refs quite know how it is to be used atm.

It should work in a way where a highly qualified Ref is in charge of the VAR, who has a radio link to the in game Ref where he can flag up any clear and obvious mistakes that could alter the outcome of the game.

So we're not talking professional could in the middle of the pitch, nor are we talking about tight offside decisions that could be argued over for a week without conclusive evidence.

There should be a time limit in which a VAR decision can be used. If it takes more than a minute to see if a mistake has been made then it isn't "clear" or "obvious" and should not therefore be subject to change.

I think the biggest problem with VAR is everyone's expectation that it will be perfect all the time. It won't be, no matter how much you try and iron out the kinks. In a game where literally anything can happen there is no way of coming up with a fool proof system.

If it improves the quality of decision making within the game even by 50% it has to be worth it.

As a fan there is only one thing worse than losing a game, and that is losing a game due to a poor decision that went against you.

It still angers me to think about us getting knocked out of the UCL in 2003 to Mourinho's Porto. Scholes scored a goal that was clearly inside, a goal that would have taken through to the next round and knocked Porto out. If we had VAR that wrong decision wouldn't have stood and we might have had another UCL title to our name.

It won't be popular to start with, in fact it might never be popular. But I think it is best to stay.

{Ed001's Note - does it work well in rugby? Most rugby fans I know hate it and think it is making a mess of their sport.}

01 Mar 2018 09:22:29
Rugby is massively stop start is that what people want football to become?

01 Mar 2018 09:58:30
I agree jred not a fan at all. Takes the emotion out of the game. Imagine if solskjaer’s goal or owen’s against city were subject to VAR after they had scored. Takes away the raw emotion of a last minute winner. Nothing feels better than a last minute winner and VAR ruins that.

01 Mar 2018 09:39:29
All VAR is doing is encouraging the players to harangue the ref and contest any and every decision, even when it goes to VAR it takes an age and even then the decision is still up to interpretation, there’s minimum 5 mins added time usually more because of it, it’s just a mess and I don’t see how it’s improved anything or how it will. Goal line tech, fair enough, it’s instant, but offside, was it a pen wasn’t it etc it’s all too much grey areas and VAR just adds confusion.

How far do you go with it, 3 mins after a corner was taken out the quadrant and that team scores you complain and bring it back? As I said above, football was going along just fine without it.

01 Mar 2018 11:07:00
VAR should be quick. Like 15-20seconds, 30 at most Not 4-5mins or more. It just makes the game boring, stop-start is not going help develop the game. It just slows down the game.
Goal line technology works because it is spontaneous and undebatable. When a round of fixtures ends, it is fun although frustrating to debate referring decisions. And then the problem in the stadium.

For me VAR takes the emotion out of game and might eventually drive people away from the game.

01 Mar 2018 12:09:35
If brown nose cannot do anything wrong, and Spanish waiter Pep told them how to do it, they would listen?

01 Mar 2018 12:13:20
The scope needs to be limited to offside decisions, where it is virtually impossible for the assistant ref to judge accurately, plus diving and hand ball in the penalty area. The rest should be left to the ref at least until the process is fully flushed out and can be implemented quickly. As far as diving outside the penalty area is concerned, they should review after the game and start meting out punishments for offenders. Fines, bans, and even point deductions should be considered, especially where the dive materially affected the outcome. That would soon put an end to all the cheating.

As far as offside is concerned, it may require a change in process. Rather than blow the whistle, the assistant ref's flag should trigger an instantaneous review by VAR, while play continues. It really doesn't take more than 10-30 seconds to determine whether an active player is or is not in an offside position when the ball was passed forward. If the VAR official can't determine for sure within the limited time allotted then the goal stands. I don't see how the pure determination of whether one player is ahead of the last defender is technically a whole lot more complicated than determining whether the ball crossed the goal line fully.

The last thing football needs is an opportunity for advertisers to step in while decisions are being made, which is why I am also firmly against the proposals to have official clock stoppages for delays. The money folks will definitely try to exploit them for profit, and we will end up like American sports which even have things called "TV time outs" for no other reason than advertising.

Finally, some human error is an intrinsic part of the game. Error and injustice makes the sport a wonderful metaphor for real life, which is fraught with injustice. By all means try to remove the most egregious cheating, but take all error away, and we may as well just read about how sport used to be.

01 Mar 2018 12:41:53
It's a good idea in theory many of us remember injustices which were clear and obvious mistakes Henry handball against Ireland, maradonna handball being the most obvious ones. I like debate in football but the very obvious clangers we can avoid . I agree when people say if u can't see the obvious clanger very quickly then it's not an obvious clanger . I'm sure it's probably been looked into but does anyone know the reasons why granting each team one challenge haven't been used.

01 Mar 2018 14:46:23
BFRO, I don't want big screens at OT. I don't go there to watch television.

01 Mar 2018 15:16:35
VAR is still relient on the Assistant in the control room, a lot of the decisions is down to him! We've got to realise football is totally different to Rugby,1 massive difference is they play an advantage rule, even when they know an offence as taken place they still play until the Ref blows his whistle, he'll hold his arm out, both teams know there's foul play and his Assistant will be looking at replays while the game is still going on, that just doesn't happen in football, so everything takes longer to review, Watch the Sky programme with Neville and Carragber, training with the Refs and the Assistants, shows how thoughur they train!

01 Mar 2018 16:03:43
Sh1t happens,

01 Mar 2018 16:22:41
Great post Shaw.

01 Mar 2018 16:52:26
It was shocking in Calcutta Cup game. Ref had a mare as well.

01 Mar 2018 17:41:22
it should be limited to one challenge per half. a designated player from the opposition then instruct the referee if they want to refer the matter to the VAR. it is that simple. it is not working because no one knows what it is used for or what goes on.

01 Mar 2018 18:51:18
Gonna take time to iron out the issues. Best thing for me overall. I know and pal with many rugby heads. Never heard them say it's ruined the game. It's part and parcel now.

Football is a boring game the best of times, I think rugby is much more exciting most of the time, a lot more always going on. Rugby can be stop start because of the kicking, scrums etc. It's not stop start because of the VAR.

Football will have to learn to iron out the creases but it's a good thing IMO. Too many decisions have gone against teams unfairly. Lots of money is spent by fans and to cut out poor refereeing decisions would be fairer and best for all.

01 Mar 2018 19:17:55
Rugby is stop start so var suits it better, football isn't and we saw last night it ruins the game .

01 Mar 2018 21:15:57
Angel, football isn't boring if you don't watch a mourinho United. Trust.

02 Mar 2018 09:40:21
As a massive rugby union fan and former player the use of the TV official is excellent. At the 2015 World Cup it was a bit of a joke, but it is now being used properly. The referee can have things checked instead of stopping the game and is used in a lot of key try scoring decisions. It could work in football but no one knows what the hell is going on.



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