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20 Feb 2018 07:38:49
Will referee taylor be suspended for ignoring the rules and not sending pep off. He should be banned too.

On aguero. It was not the same as cantonna in any way.
I don't excuse him and a ban will come his way but it was nowhere near the same type of offence as cantonna.

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20 Feb 2018 07:44:40
Will a ban come his way? I don’t think it should he did nothing wrong for me.

20 Feb 2018 08:23:01

He hit out at a fan, how can you think he did nothing wrong?

20 Feb 2018 08:47:04
Letter of the law says he did something wrong because apparently there is no circumstance where a player can confront a fan for his or her actions.

He's just a man . Fan gets in personal space of the guy and he pushed him away, aggressively.

I'm sure aguero will get some sort of fine because he will get 'should act in an appropriate manner' line but for me, wigan should be receiving a hefty fine due to fans coming onto the pitch.

20 Feb 2018 09:16:15
Aguero should be banned, nowhere near cantona incident. But he had no business chasing after that idiot after the initial confrontation.

20 Feb 2018 09:57:52
Self-defence. He feared immediate violence will be the defence, and rightly so. If I was confronted like that by some neanderthal, I'd be looking to protect myself, by getting my action in first. Totally defendable in my opinion.

20 Feb 2018 10:01:49
If you have a disagreement with someone in the street and you respond by lashing out at them regardless of what they said it is you if have broken the law.

You can defend yourself with reasonable force, punching someone because they said something you didn't like isn't reasonable force, its excessive force.

Why should the law of the land not apply on a football pitch?

Aguero attempted to punch a fan, therefore regardless of the circumstances he should be punished in some way.

20 Feb 2018 10:17:49

Even if there is an argument for hitting the fan to get him away when he was feeling confronted, there is no justification for then chasing after him to attack him again, the guy was walking away at this point, are we meant to believe Aguero was still scared for his life from a teenager walking away from him?

20 Feb 2018 10:34:24
Nou, in what weird World can Aguero chasing a guy be construed as self defence? Do people in England run after people and try and beat them up as self defence?

20 Feb 2018 10:48:47
The guy swung for Aguero. If the idiot fan doesn’t firstly enter the pitch, and secondly confront the player, the incident doesn’t occur. Nothing wrong with his reaction.

20 Feb 2018 10:52:55
Actually, Shappy, in criminal law, if you fear immediate violence from someone, you are allowed to strike first. If you can prove that the other person was ready to strike, ie. clenched fist, movement into your space etc, then you are allowed. That 'fan' was all over Aguero, when he shook him off. Entitled to defend himself.

20 Feb 2018 10:53:25
CSM, you're only watching the aftermath. Watch it from the start.

20 Feb 2018 11:00:46
GDS, no. Once he takes the initial act, and the male (teenager, so what? ) walks away, then the threat is over, and he shouldn't have carried on. At that point, it's just pure temper. But there is a crowd around him, and adrenaline was probably pumping. Easy to comment from the outside.

20 Feb 2018 11:18:04
I liked it .
I hate all the pampered stuff around footballers it's nice to see there human every so often .

20 Feb 2018 11:25:11
You liked aguero hitting a fan and then going back for a 2nd attempt. Says it all really. Classless.

20 Feb 2018 11:25:48
Shappy. if somebody walked up to a player on the street or anybody on the street for that matter, you walk away unless you feel threatened and have to defend themselves.

But if somebody came into my place of work or my home and came up to me aggressively and I feared for myself and safety, they wouldn't be long knowing about reasonable force.

How do you know what the fan said or attempted to do? When do you say it's okay to use force?

20 Feb 2018 11:35:10
Plus, I've watched the footage over and over again. The initial contact, when the fan is right on him, looks more like a shrug away. Then when he chases him, it looks like he was thinking of throwing a punch. I really couldn't be sure that an actual punch was thrown. Maybe I'm watching the wrong clip.

20 Feb 2018 12:10:42
Yer to be honest, better than rolling around on the floor pretending they have been hit by a baseball bat .
Or hiding behind a keyboard throwing insults .
The fan was out of order imo.

20 Feb 2018 12:52:00
Its a criminal act . What picture does it portray to a young kid playing in school.

These guys get paid millions and not playing for free so they should have the right mentality to curb their anger and handle all situations.

20 Feb 2018 12:56:43
Nou if the incident ended at the initial confrontation i would agree, even if aguero knocked the guy out he wouldn't have been faulted as the idiot did go looking for a fight and provoking it. But once aguero decides to go street fighter chasing the guy and trying to get his hands on him he loses that bit of earlier benefit, do the exact thing on street and aguero will charged for assault, as shappy said rules don't change just because you are on a football pitch.

20 Feb 2018 12:56:58
Should be a 6 game ban. No if ands or buts or any legal semantics.

20 Feb 2018 13:08:27
CSM, no he wouldn't be charged for assault, mate. I've spent over 15 years on the frontline of the criminal justice system, and believe me, if I showed that footage to the PPS, it would get sent straight back to me, with a No Prosecution decision. I personally, still can't see Aguero actually throwing a punch. If I saw that on the street on a Saturday night, he would have been dragged away, told to calm down and clear off. He certainly wouldn't be getting a criminal record for walking after someone who clearly provoked him.

20 Feb 2018 13:13:34
Correct mort.
Jred its that sort of mentality that is unacceptable in today's society.
The fan was in the wrong but so was aguero and he should be punished accordingly. You can't take the law into your item hands.
The fans should be banned also.

20 Feb 2018 13:22:39
You can't clap with one hand you need two hands to clap so Aguero and the fan are both at fault and should be punished.

20 Feb 2018 13:28:50
It's all you politically correct brigade that drive me mad .
What did aguero actually do? How many times did he punch him, is the fan seriously injured?
Need to man up.

20 Feb 2018 13:58:05

Was the guy Cantona kicked seriously injured? Different situation but how cna it only be judged on if somebody is injured, surely needs punishing before it gets to that point.

20 Feb 2018 14:09:51
Jred just as a matter of interest what do you think of the west brom players taxi incident.

20 Feb 2018 14:10:47
He probably will get punished but is what aguero did that big a deal .
Delph tackle was worse .
A fan has come on the pitch fronted up to aguero, no idea what he said or done .
Big deal, aguero will prob get a ban people will be mortified that he acted like a animal etc etc .

20 Feb 2018 14:27:25
Nobody knows what happened in the taxi incident, other than those involved.

20 Feb 2018 14:27:59
Nou just let's agree to disagree.

Jred delph was within the laws of football, tackling the wigan player isn't illegal, he badly mistimes it and should be given a 3 match ban for it, but what aguero did was a bit more serious. You can't go around trying to beat up fans because they act like jerks, in terms of FA law i would say it will count as bringing disrepute to the game. The idiot should be banned from ever going to football games but aguero needs to be punished too.

20 Feb 2018 14:33:23
No bother, CSM. He will get a ban, but fortunately for City, Jesus seems to be returning just in flippin' time.

20 Feb 2018 14:36:38
Let’s all wait until someone is stabbed on the pitch, then we'll sit here and say, "oh he's a professional he cannot act like that". Absolute bull imo. Somebody climbs the advertising boards and runs 50 yards to confront a player who has no idea what this guy is prepared to do, and the player can't react. Everything that's wrong with modern football, full of fairies. The only criminal thing here is if Aguero misses a cup final because of some helmet from the crowd.

20 Feb 2018 14:48:41
But he was just a kid, Stand. And kids don't carry knives or want to start fights.

20 Feb 2018 15:30:29
Nou, do you not think Aguero acting like that on a football pitch in front of the cameras being broadcast to millions of young impressionable children might have an effect on you working on the front line at some point in the future?

Kids copy what they see on TV, what they see their hero's doing. The player, the clubs and the FA have a responsibility to show that it's not acceptable behaviour.

I'm not saying the fan is in the right, anyone can see that he was some kind of an idiot. But that doesn't justify Aguero's reaction.

Wigan should be fined for the pitch Invasion.

Man City should be made to pay for the damage their fans caused.

Pep should be told his behaviour is unacceptable and maybe even have a touchline ban. Or a suspended ban until the end of the season.

Aguero should have a 3-5 game ban for lashing out at a fan then chasing after him to continue to confrontation.

Maybe the reactions of both the Wigan and Man City fans are a result of how they watched their players and managers behave during the game.

All those paid to act in the correct manner should be brought to account for the way their poor behaviour helped to create an ugly situation which is damaging to the sport that pays them so well.

20 Feb 2018 16:11:16
Shouldnt the security guards make sure no sharp objects are taken into the ground.

What is the point of having security in a huge match like that if you fear for players security.

20 Feb 2018 16:15:08
Top post that Shappy, these players arr role models to a lot of young kids and i wouldn't really want my kids watching that sort of crap in a football match especially from a player of that level.

We don't live in 1990s or 1980s, these guys get paid a lot of money so for them act in that manner is totally unacceptable.

20 Feb 2018 16:22:42
Snappy, I've never held to the belief that young, working-class sportsmen, sometimes with limited education, should be held up as some sort of paradigms of virtue, just because they can kick a ball. I look to others in society to do that job.

I also don't expect them to be robots in the face of aggression and provocation from a group of yobs. I defy any of us put in that position, to say they would have just straightened their tie and ignored some oil shouting in our face and putting their hands on us. And I don't expect footballers to act any different in the heat of the moment, just because they're on tv and earn a few Bob.

20 Feb 2018 17:14:45
In my opinion the following should happen: pep should receive a ban for his aggressive behaviour, Delph should receive a ban for a correctly given red card, Wigan should receive a fine for their fans invasion and their behaviour, the fan who confronted aguero should be banned for life, aguero should receive a ban for his reaction but not a massive one like some people think and finally man city should receive a fine for the behaviour of their fans.

20 Feb 2018 17:45:55
red79, good post, mate.

20 Feb 2018 17:51:51
But noucamp only 1 player was fighting. Its no wonder society is in such poor shape. If you condone his actions its a sad look out i bet you sing a diffetent tune in court regularly when the agenda suits you.

We do know that the players took and drove a taxi drunk and without permission by their own admission. But perhaps that's only a bit of high jinx and banter and sure you could turn a blind eye to that too as your man jonny was involved😀 maybe if they had hit and hurt someone we could just put it down to being the taxi drivers fault because he was too long in mcdonalds.

20 Feb 2018 18:04:49
Agree nou good post 79. No drama but all the above should be done as you set it out.

20 Feb 2018 18:13:18
I'm firmly with you here ken I thought it was a disgrace I'd also like to add to fan should be punished to the full letter of the law it was unacceptable on both counts.

How long is it going to be before we condone a player jumping into the crowd to give a cheeky sod a slap for saying his mom's got hairy knockers? It's ridiculous I'm sorry the excuses being made for aguero I just can not understand

Also as a finely tuned athlete does aguero not have a clear advantage against the average Joe?

20 Feb 2018 18:27:24
Typical hyperbole, Ken.

Where did I say I condoned it? Just because I understand that some guy out of some shanty town in the arse end of nowhere, might not react with good old British stiff upper lip in the face of aggressive provocation, does not mean what he did was right. Understandable, but not right.

I said above he should get a short ban. Just because I don't want to be part of the hang 'em high posse, doesn't mean I condone his behaviour. And as for my job, snide remarks about what I might or not might do, don't become you. Like I said, the PPS would take one look at that footage and laugh it out before it even saw a courtroom.

I have argued the point on here that it was not a criminal offence, like some armchair lawyers have said, and I stand by that.

And I'm not going to fall out with anyone over a City player, so over and out.

20 Feb 2018 18:32:47
Nou, it's not about who you precieve as role models it is about who society precieves as a role model.

I agree with you footballers shouldn't in my opinion be role models, but they are.

And children have yet the life experience or the capacity to truly appreciate who they should and shouldn't look up to. It's down to us as adults in society to show them, we can't do that if we condone Aguero's actions even if we do sympathise with him to an extent. Otherwise the message we send out to young children is that it is okay to be aggressive, to hit out at someone and to chase after them.

20 Feb 2018 18:42:30
There not snide remarks stephen. You said you would do same yourself and that it was totally defendable. Coming from a police officer i think that's odd. ' some guy from a shanty town in the arse hole of nowhere' what do you know about where he comes from unbelievable comment.
Even coming from the occupied territory you police that is a pretty extreme point of view.

20 Feb 2018 19:18:11
What exactly did he do, Ken? Nothing criminal certainly, so why can't i say i would have reacted the same way? Just being honest. Wouldn't let anyone come up to me like that. Would you? Your last comment, if not being funny, is best left alone for another place.

20 Feb 2018 19:38:01
Don't know a great deal about the taxi incident .
On aguero if some one verbally abuses you and spits in your face i don't think he over reacted at all .
But there will be people in a far better position than me and you with all the facts who will be the judge of that .



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