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21 Dec 2017 15:26:44
On this day 2008 we won the club world cup. In the squad that day we had these players available to the manager:

VDS, Neville, Ferdinand, Vidic, Evra, Rafael, Evans, Carrick, Scholes, Fletcher, Anderson, Giggs, Park, Ronaldo, Nani, Berbatov, Rooney and Tevez.

Our squad last night was:

Romero, Darmian, Lindelof, Rojo, Shaw, McTominay, Blind, Pogba, Rashford, Ibrahimovic, Martial, Smalling, Mata, Mkhitaryan, Lukaku, Herrera, Lingard, J. Pereira.

Even if we add the players we were missing last night such as DDG, Bailly, Jones, Valencia, Young, Matic and Fellaini.

Do we still think that the drop off in what the team is achieving is just down to the manager?

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21 Dec 2017 16:20:33
Have a look at the squad fergy won the title with, by 11 points in his last season .

21 Dec 2017 16:36:30
That was probably one of Sir Alex's greatest feats to be honest. I think we were also aided by a real lack of top quality opposition. Compare that to now where City have a great team, Chelsea are defending champions, Arsenal and Liverpool have much better teams than they had 5 years ago and Spurs have come out of nowhere to a great young side.

21 Dec 2017 17:00:28
Shaps yep and we are above them all bar city and probably still only in 3rd gear at the moment.

21 Dec 2017 18:17:27
Interesting talking about SAF’s last season, which saw awful but winning football.

The point people ignore is momentum, we had it in spades, belief we couldn’t be beaten and would win. Teams feared us. All that ended when we appointed SAF’s successor, we lost that fear factor immediately and the squad became what it really was, generally ordinary. Prior to that we lost great players and didn’t replace them, there is a long list but the momentum kept us going.

21 Dec 2017 20:54:37
I think your spot on there Red man. How many games did Sir Alex win in the pre match press conference?

We had a manager with a winning pedigree and track record. And of doing it with us.

Sir Alex warned against making sweeping changes to Moyes when he took over. Yet Moyes removed many of the coaching staff and tried to changes things too quickly, the team lost its momentum and belief. Others teams no longer feared us and the team was exposed as average with a few aging greats with no top tier young talent coming through and certainly no top class players in their prime bar maybe Carrick.

21 Dec 2017 21:09:06
I'm only surprised that people where surprised.
Fergy leaving was always going to be a major issue.

21 Dec 2017 21:46:06

We didn’t learn from Busby, you know how many times I posted on here about the transition. It was so obvious and the club thought issues would be allayed by giving a 6 year contract.

21 Dec 2017 23:19:02
Red man
Any one would of struggled after fergy imo so this we never learnt after busby stuff is . imo .
It's a different world and club now .
Fergy has said pep was his choice but wasn't available ancelotti, Jose klopp either didn't want the job or where not available .
in fact he said moyes was 6th or 7th choice .

No surprise really, who would want to follow fergy .
Fergy leaving was always going to be huge and a very difficult period .
That's football.

22 Dec 2017 06:53:44
No point in going over it but Moyes should have been a lot further down than 6th, more like 506th and there was no transition plan. No, let someone work alongside SAF or ensure club stability by keeping the backroom staff, we were amateur. It’s done now but it is glib to say it was always going to be a problem. A major corporate allowing its two most senior vital people go at the same time, allowing removal key support staff is a recipe for disaster and that’s what we got. It was going to be difficult but the club handled it arrogantly and appallingly. If you say no surprise really then why was it a surprise to the club. It was pathetic and is a significant reason as to why we have struggled.

22 Dec 2017 09:43:52
Like I say I don't think it was a massive surprise, 90% of people knew replacing fergy was going to be huge .
What top coach is going to work alongside fergy?
What top coach wouldn't want his own backroom staff?
If gill wanted to go and decides to step down that's his call .

It's easy to say after the event we should of done x y or z but 1. You don't know if that was even possible and 2 if it would of worked .

Replacing fergy was nigh on impossible and was always going to difficult . We have seen that, I'm amazed people are surprised.

22 Dec 2017 15:22:35
I was saying it before the event Jred, loudly and on here.

22 Dec 2017 15:55:57
Saying what? That we would struggle after fergy .
Of course we would most accept that others seem to think we should of cloned fergy and everything was going to carry on as normal.

22 Dec 2017 16:49:22
No I said we needed to plan the transition and have learnt from what happened with Busby, because I was around when that disaster happened. I also said we needed to appoint someone with the level of gravitas, who would immediately command respect and should have learnt from the appointment of Wilf McGuiness.

The point I made on here a few times was that it wasn’t going to carry on as usual, that the change was seismic and we need to plan the transition p. We didn’t yet some said we had just won the league by 11 points so we were safe.

22 Dec 2017 17:13:46
Like who? It's been done to death but there wasn't really that many options at the time .
Fergy covered it in his book, no surprise really the next manager after fergy was taking the impossible job .

Don't forget you where all for lvg and look how that turned out . So it's maybe not as simple as you think .
By the way fergy says lvg was one of the coaches they wanted but had committed to Holland and the ed said the plan was to replace lvg with allegri once he had seen his 3 year contract out . So there was a plan.

It never worked out but that's football nothing is a sure thing.

22 Dec 2017 17:40:26
Disaster, Red Man? Seriously. I've told you a million times about using hyperbole!

22 Dec 2017 18:11:34
I was not all for LvG, how many times, when Moyes left I advocated Klopp. Once lvg was appointed I said it should lead to Pep, it didn’t so Jose was the right choice. I didn't agree with lvg but hoped there was a plan leading to Pep. There wasn’t and I was none too happy .
Stevie- Disaster was finishing 7th and losing our aura.

22 Dec 2017 18:28:10
Red man
We lost our aura when fergy left.
Pretty obvious pep didn't want United.
He has said himself he couldn't turn down the chance to manage Munich.
And who can blame him huge club Munich.
There was a plan, it was to lead to allgeri another top manager doing a great job at juventus .
Klopp hasn't exactly won loads with the scouse .
So again it's maybe not as easy as you seem to think it is.

22 Dec 2017 18:30:53
Oh and disaster after Busby was relegation, which I can tell you was painful.

22 Dec 2017 19:11:50
One of the biggest clubs in the world, up there with Munich, Real and Barcelona were so struggling to appoint a manager, so desperate, so scraping the barrel the major plan they had years to fine tune meant they turned to Moyes as the only option. The plan of course was to appoint Allegri, that’s why they gave Moyes a six year contract, totally logical. I wish I lived on the planet you are on.



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