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07 Dec 2017 11:02:45
So an attacking player can wait next to the goal post behind the line and run on to the pitch and collect a long ball played up field as he's not in an offside position when the pass is played? Can someone please clarify?

{Ed001's Note - no, he would be offside. I don't think you are getting it, he would still count as part of the field of play, just like a defender ending up there does.}

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07 Dec 2017 12:39:37
I get it ed, just playing devils advocate but why isn't the attacking player offside in the united game on tuesday (who has also gone off the pitch infront of blind) and daley blind is playing them all on when he is off the pitch?

{Ed001's Note - if you get it, why are you asking? Surely you know the rules now state that you have to actually be involved in the play, which he wasn't. If the ball had gone to him, then he would be counted offside, though the ball would be out of play anyway. It is the same reason why all the assistant's flags are now so late coming up, as they have to wait until the player actually touches the ball for them to be offside.}

07 Dec 2017 13:29:03
Didnt he play the pass though which would make him involved in the phase of play?

{Ed001's Note - is this a serious question? I am beginning to wonder now.....}

07 Dec 2017 14:51:23
It is ed. Apologies as I question things I don't fully understand. That's how I learn. I guess I'm sounding like the disruptive pupil in the class who still doesn't quite fully understand and carrys on regardless.

{Ed001's Note - no I just don't understand why you think him playing the pass when onside means he would be offside later? If all 10 other players on the side are offside it no longer matters so long as the one that scores is onside at that moment. If the player is behind the ball or the ball goes backwards, players cannot be offside, but they would be in an offside position when the ball goes in the net. It is not relevant.

Forget everyone else on the scoring player's team. All you have to look at is whether the goalscorer is offside, which he wasn't as Blind and the goalie are playing him on. Then you have to ask whether any attacking players were in the line of sight of the ball and so affecting the goalie's chance of saving the ball. There were none. So the goal stands as a good goal.}

07 Dec 2017 16:25:32
Supasub, that player wasnt interfering with play at the time.

07 Dec 2017 17:04:40
Imagine explaining that to the Mrs.

07 Dec 2017 17:45:27
Separate issue, but don't you think if the attacker isn't interfering then it should be the same for the defender :D.

{Ed001's Note - no, that doesn't make any sense, everyone there has to be interfering with play and they should drop the not interfering with play thing as it is nonsense.}

07 Dec 2017 18:10:07
Thats true Ed. If one is offside no matter how close to the ball they should be offside.

{Ed001's Note - agreed as they have to be interfering with play or the defence would not bother holding a line to try and catch them off.}

07 Dec 2017 21:06:25
Ed001 that's ridicules mate. If a winger beats his man gets to the by line and cuts the ball back for his striker to finish from the six yard box then the winger that pulls the ball back would be in an off side position on the by line when his striker shoots . Or a corner taker can be often be in an offside position if a goal is scored from his corner. You can't give offside for that.

Actually the phrase interfering with play has been removed. A player will now only be deemed offside if he makes a move towards or attempts to play the ball from offside position. This is the reason we see so many of those infuriating late linesmens flags as they are waiting for the player to play or attempt to play the ball before they flag. There is a caveat that if an offside player is obstructing the keepers view and jumps over or dummies a shot the ref can give offside if he seems that the player has sought to gain an advantage from that offside position.
It's a law that needs more clarity that's for certain.

{Ed001's Note - no he wouldn't, I just said I would remove the interfering with play thing, they still wouldn't be in an offside position as the ball would be going backwards and the receiving player would be onside. A shot at goal does not count as a pass mate, so it would only be players in the keepers eye line and in the way of the ball that could potentially be offside by attempting to make it a pass.}

08 Dec 2017 07:39:35
But you agree with fzz weekend he said any player should be deemed offside no matter how far they are away from the ball.



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