26 Jul 2017 09:32:20
Matic is surPlus to requirements at Chelsea so are we seeing a game of bluff? The quoted price of £50M is ridiculous so we should just sit tight or look elsewhere.
As for Perisic, there must be other alternative wide players we can move on to.
Time is moving on, we need to finish the buying and prepare for the new season.
26 Jul 2017 10:08:28
AJH - It's quite obvious that Mourinho is desperate to sign Perisic. I don't understand why we are quibbling over 5-6 million pounds. It's ridiculous, just pay the bloody money if they want him so badly. It's the same drawn out crap every transfer window.
We desperately need a wide man and we are even more desperate for a central midfielder.
We do not have a big enough squad to compete on all fronts.
26 Jul 2017 10:17:53
I tend to agree, pay the money or look elsewhere.
26 Jul 2017 10:19:20
If he is desperate why have we not payed an extra 5 mill.
Maybe a bit more to it?
26 Jul 2017 10:43:11
This Perisic talk reminds me of the Gaitan rubbish we had to put up with for years. Fortunately Perisic is older so we may only have this window to be subjected to a slightly above average winger being heavily linked/ targeted for ridiculous money. Anything over £30m is a rip off even in this market imo.
I could understand all the waffle in the press if this was a top class star, but we are talking about a slightly younger version of Ashley Young.
Hopefully we can just go all in on Neymar and put this Perisic thing to bed. It's like trying to get excited about Beans on Toast for dinner, but paying Mixed Grill prices! Fair enough if you are starving like a WBA/ Watford but I just don't get it.
26 Jul 2017 11:03:39
A slightly younger version of Ashley young. what planet are you on Beast. He's nothing like Ashley Young. Just like your comparison last week of Adrien Rabiot to Rodrigo Possebon just because they have similar hair styles.
26 Jul 2017 11:07:54
You might not rate Perisic highly and that's your prerogative but when you compare him to Ashley Young, a player with whom Perisic shares basically no qualities it really kills your point.
26 Jul 2017 11:13:09
I think mourinho and Woodward have set values they are comfortable with and whilst it would be great to hey in early thay are hoping inter blink first and common ground is found. Peresic fits the team player mould and can play winger and wing back.
26 Jul 2017 11:14:17
Some of the posts on here astound me at times you know. It's like now that school is out all the children are on here basing their knowledge of players on the football cards they swap on the playground.
26 Jul 2017 11:27:56
Absolutely clueless again Beast.
26 Jul 2017 11:43:01
I think beast makes a decent point .
Perisic plays most of his football on the left, works hard gets the ball in the box. At 29 has had a solid if un spectacular career .
Young does a similar job getting a bit older now so plays a bit deeper but the lad has been at united for 6 year now when he was 29 not a massive amount between them .
A Young has never let us down while maybe not being a top top level player.
26 Jul 2017 11:44:13
Yeah clueless Beast again, please tell me what makes Perisic special then - why are none of the elite clubs linked with him, and why aren't we just getting it done if it's a few million extra?
Also what's soooo bad about Ashley Young that brings me such comments as "clueless", after all we did sign him and he has been a loyal servant for X amount of years? Would be a decent squad player, that can operate in multiple positions, but not a star imo.
Nobody decent linked with Perisic, couldn't quite cut it in Germany, playing for a weak Inter, done nothing for Croatia whenever I watched them - yet it is ridiculous to compare him to Ashley Young?!
£30m is a lot of money, so I clearly don't think he is useless and Ashley Young wasn't useless either. Just not an elite player imo and not worth the column inches dedicated. If he was signing for West Ham or Stoke most of us would say, "decent signing for them", but we aren't West Ham or Stoke.
If anybody is "excited" about the prospect of Perisic signing then good for them, but it doesn't get my blood going.
26 Jul 2017 12:06:05
"None of the elite clubs". Beast mate, Manchester United are in for him and that's THE ELITE Club there is. Sad if you think we are not. What other club are looking for a winger. Not Real, Barca, Bayern, Chelsea, Arsenal or City. So they are not after Perisic. I distinctly remember We were the only club looking at Griezmann. So, is he Ashley Young too?
Everybody craves for Neymar, the man who goes down if a strong wind blows past. He won't be able to handle the physicality of Premier League. Imagine a Shawcross or a Reid running through him.
Perisic is a solid player, one that fits Jose's system. Remember the Malouda's and Kalou's of Chelsea.
26 Jul 2017 12:32:35
Beast, your analogies always put a smile on my face, mate.
26 Jul 2017 12:38:33
I didn't say Perisic was special or that I was excited. It is ridiculous to compare him to Ashley Young because:
Ashley Young in 6 years at United - 106 chances created, 11 goals and 16 assists
Ivan Perisic in 2 years at Inter - 82 chances created, 18 goals and 16 assists.
26 Jul 2017 12:41:57
The question is whether United are in for him because they will not pay what it takes to get an elite player in that position? Focus is on the club now.
26 Jul 2017 12:46:07
Shan - you can cherry pick parts of my post to try and make an argument if you like. Bayern just signed Coman, City signed Silva, Liverpool signed Salah, Juventus signed Costa and Cuadrado. These are all wingers, PSG and City are also apparently after Sanchez and so were Bayern until recently, PSG also signed Draxler recently. So I would argue that Elite clubs are and have been signing wingers - don't hear them linked with Perisic. My point is valid however you sugar coat or twist things. Clearly Griezmann is not comparable if you consider my whole post, not just one arbitrary part and I'm sure most elite clubs would find a way to fit him in if they could afford it (PSG were very interested as well I believe), but it's all conjecture.
Nevertheless we need a winger badly. I agree that Perisic is a Jose/ Solid type player, that doesn't mean he is worth the figures banded about, nor does it mean he is better than a host of other players out there or that were out there.
P. S.
I also believe Madrid have signed some wide attacking kid from Brazil 'VinÃcius Júnior', but I know nothing at all about him or the deal. No doubt if Neymar leaves Barcelona will need to replace him, Perisic would not be good enough for them imo. Athletico can't sign anybody, Madrid have two of the best wingers in the world already and good cover. Chelsea are sorted (although I think they could do with a RW), Arsenal will probably need to sign a winger if Sanchez leaves.
26 Jul 2017 12:24:42
Neymar handled the Brazil league and them boys kicked lumps out of him .
Also handled playing for Brazil, watch some if them South American derbies .
Perisic is linked to united, young actually plays for us .
Young is a solid player.
26 Jul 2017 12:54:30
Tot - Are you seriously using stats to call my point ridiculous? Young has played bit parts and often as a defensive minded player, the Italian league is not like our league and Stats are dodgy indicators at the best of times.
Young made 120 appearances in that time. Perisic 70 appearances, how many of Young's were from the bench or as a full back? You get assists for the ball hitting your backside, goals can be tap ins, chances created can simply mean you have players willing to attack things (we haven't really for 4-5 years) .
I appreciate the stats look better for Perisic, but it doesn't make my point ridiculous.
26 Jul 2017 12:57:54
Looks like arsenal may move for Lemar.
26 Jul 2017 13:05:31
Haha welcome back Beast, you had a nice little break?
Ashley Young and Perisic are nothing like each other, just admit you perhaps got this one very wrong and we can move on!
26 Jul 2017 13:33:53
Like you admit that mctominay was not brilliant GDS😂😂😂 its beasts opinions and an opinion can never be wrong you say😂😂😂.
26 Jul 2017 14:02:52
I appreciate stats cannot tell the full picture, but what exactly are you basing your opinion on? Your expert eye?
26 Jul 2017 14:25:47
Yes my opinion on what I see and my brain formulates a verdict/ decision based on experience. I also read a lot (not much about football) and have a good BS sensor, learning from mistakes is important.
If you rely solely on other people to tell you your opinion then you are a puppet for someone else or can be misinformed/ manipulated. Stats are one of the most misleading information sources around as they can be bent for any argument and never tell the full story for a game like football, maybe not so much for things like Baseball because there aren't as many variables. Stats can be helpful at times of course, but no two situations are ever really the same in football so it's a flawed comparison barometer.
But anyway it's my view that Perisic isn't a superstar worthy of the press he gets or worth anything over £30m. Most would have agreed with me until we were said to be interested in him.
26 Jul 2017 15:34:54
Beast. You've called this absolutely right. We can harp on Perisic as much as we want but the truth is that he's a good player but nothing special. If we want to compete at the top table, then we should be going all out to get a world class winger, Sanchez or Neymar. Unfortubately, it won't happen and we won't compete. Simple as that.
26 Jul 2017 15:39:26
Everyone is saying either "Peresic and Young are nothing alike" or "Beast is right they are totally alike", but no one has discussed their attributes other than saying they are left wingers who work hard and are defensively minded. To be honest, I haven't seen Peresic enough to know how similar/ different they are. But this debate would be way more productive if people backed up what they were saying with some evidence or analysis of the players (beyond the really obvious stuff we already know) .
I'm personally more interested in how players fit into an overall system, and how they will benefit the team as a whole, rather than chasing after shiny marquee signings. But as I say, I really haven't seen enough of Peresic to have a good take on that.
26 Jul 2017 16:10:10
I don't think he is a superstar either I think he would be an option that would be more consistent and more productive than what we currently have and as much as neither of us like it you don't seem to be able to buy an established option for less than £30m.
26 Jul 2017 16:43:00
I'll agree with that Tot66.
I just don't think we should buy more 7/ 10 players, we have enough of them. Especially if they cost what a 9/ 10 player would cost. Much rather go with what we have and save the money for a World Class winger which is what we need in order to compete. Our baby step approach is dwarfed easily by our Domestic and European rivals. If one isn't available then Jose can earn his money with Martial, Miki, Lingard, Rash and other options.
26 Jul 2017 18:01:52
Schmidfield
SAF hid behind no value in the market for years, where we are now is a result of years of under funding. The team needs two quality players in the positions Jose has identified. The question is for the club, do they buy the quality to compete with City Chelsea Madrid, Barcelona or maybe buy lesser players to compete to get in the top four. What is the club about? Gaining sponsors, increasing the asset value for the owners or competing at the very highest level? We will soon know their ambition. It is all well saying we broke the transfer record but that is one transaction when we need two more.
No more Glazernomics, no more no value in the market, no more excuses.
26 Jul 2017 18:43:22
Red Man. This is exactly what I've been saying and totally agree with you. It's great we bought Lukaku, but the simple fact is we needed a striker, so that's a given.
We also need a game changing winger and DM. So the ones who can do that are simple, Sanchez, Neymar, Kroos, Fabinho.
No one is saying Matic or Perisic are rubbish players, but are they the top players in their positions? The answer is a big fat NO.
So as you say, we await to see the club's ambition. Do they really want to get back to the summit of English and European football or do they just want to have a team competing for top 4 and rake the CL money. We'll soon find out.
Whether we like it or not, City in particular have already showed their ambition. We are a much bigger club that generates massive income and yet they seem to be able to go out and buy tge players they want with no trouble at all. So it's up to our owners and the hierarchy at the club, we are appreciative of Lukaku, but when the club is generating massive income, we need a lot more in addition to Lukaku.