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22 Jul 2017 12:55:48
Apparently we signed Rio 15 years ago for £30m. At the time that represented 20%+ of turnover. £75m is about 15% of today's. Perhaps the prices of players are no more mad today than the were in the past.

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22 Jul 2017 13:35:17
Yeah it was big money Shaw and it makes sense to a level what you say. However, do you honestly think Lukaku will have anywhere near as big a part in the next 10 years of our club as Rio had? Rio was one of the best around, I can name 20+ attackers better than Lukaku imo.

Rio was undoubtedly different class and was a virtual certainty of proving to be great value for money. Not sure in our heart of hearts any one of us would be half as confident in Lukaku being similar to Rio in 15 years time. Just as much chance of him being a flop than a legend.

If we were signing Neymar that would be a similar standard of player to what Rio was and he will cost close to £200m (that is truly mad money) . Lukaku could be a sensation, but I'd be amazed if Lukaku is half as good as what Rio was for us.

Before anyone starts on the "why you bashing Lukaku", I'm actually praising one of our own in Rio. Lukaku has done nothing yet, it's just hope again and we have been down that path a lot recently, Depay, ADM, Shaw, Schweisteiger, Martial, Januzaj, Zaha etc.

22 Jul 2017 13:54:36
I'd love to hear the twenty plus attackers better than Lukaku. :)

22 Jul 2017 14:03:39
Yeah I would as well Beast. When your ready mate.

22 Jul 2017 14:36:11
Strikers: Kane, Aguero, Jesus, Higuain, Aubaumayang, Lewandowski, Benzema, Costa, Suarez, Cavani

Flexi Strikers: Griezzmann, Bale, Ronaldo, Messi, Sanchez, Mueller

Arguable - Lacazette, Belotti, Vardy (he would score more and improve the team more than Lukaku in my mind) .

20th - Welbeck, lol

I would have rather signed any of the above and that's not including other attacking players like Hazard and Dybala. I also like Sturridge when not injured but he isn't in my list.

22 Jul 2017 14:41:39
Forgot Neymar and probably more obvious ones.

22 Jul 2017 14:43:28
The other factor is that the business of football has grow tremendously. So the revenue streams are more and more detached from the basic running of a simple UK football club.

For me the whole argument around fees is as simple as economics. Basic supply and demand. Utd have a choice to pay what they believe a player is worth, and the selling clubs and players also have a choice. Why complicate it more than That?

If Lukaku performs at the level expected of a Man Utd starting striker, scores goals and stays fit we will all quickly forget about the money. I guess what your OP tells us Shaw is that we can afford it!

22 Jul 2017 15:16:05
I agree with those players beast ( the definites ) i think the debateable ones are the only ones who would have been available though. So surely your post actually kind of supports the idea that lukaku was one of the best available i mean to me vardy is no where near lukaku and i don't think other than work rate he offers anything more than rashford. Lacazette and belotti would to me have offered greater risk than lukaku as we all know the premier league is a completely different kettle of fish to other leagues in europe look at falcao for a prime example. i'm not saying lukaku would displace the current striker at any of the top clubs in europe but bar kane and jesus ( who has had six good months remember ) he is younger than each of those with premier league experience obviously time will tell whether it was a good decision bar shaw those players you mentioned as us taking punts on none had premier league experience and to me that's a massive thing in this league.

22 Jul 2017 15:27:29
We all just need and want Lukaku to do what he has been bought for: bang in the goals. It's a bit unfair to compare him with Rio. Defenders and strikers are very different kinds of animal. Rio is a total legend. Absolutely. But Lukaku is at the right club, at the right time and he is about to come into his prime. I believe he'll do well.
I have to say I really wouldn't want Benzema at United or Vardy. And there are a couple of players on your list who are definitely in the autumn of their careers. Lukaku hasn't reached his peak yet.

22 Jul 2017 15:28:00
I used to wonder why Beast gets a lot of flak, I do understand his views are almost always controversial to say the least but this list of 20 has actually opened my eyes a bit more.
Included are Aguero, Jesus, Sanchez, Vardy, Costa, Welbeck and even honorable mention for Sturridge.


22 Jul 2017 15:35:23
Only Kane scored more goals last year than Lukaku, that's the stat that works for me.

22 Jul 2017 15:36:59
Too much football manager fanatsy signings.

22 Jul 2017 15:39:32
sorry beast I like you very much but that list is total nonsense, most of the players are not even the same type of player as Rom or aren't prem proven like Rom and to put Vardy and welbeck on that list is a joke surely.
Kane and aguero are the only realistic comparisons.

22 Jul 2017 15:40:33
Yaz - Not sure if you are being serious or not, but whilst some of my names are debateable, there can be no logical debate with Aguero who is one of the very best if not the best in the world.

I also forgot Mbappe, who I would prefer.

I don't think the way we play compliments Lukaku. There are a lot more players I would pick over him for that reason alone, but I listed a lot of players better than Lukaku even if people disagree with a few of them.

Remember my post was pointing out that Rio was one of the very best in the world for his position. I think I have listed many players as requested indicating Lukaku isn't - for this debate it doesn't matter who was/ is available or not it's down to what the top players in their position cost compared with today going from the OP.

22 Jul 2017 15:44:09
Mumbaianc - yes loads of them are not gettable, that isn't the point! It's saying a massive fee 15 years ago is the same as todays massive fee. They aren't the same, because Lukaku isn't the same comparable level as Rio was for his position. Most people could hand on heart name 10-20 players at least better than Lukaku, couldn't do the same for Rio when we signed him.

22 Jul 2017 15:57:40
Beast, very few of those players are available for £75m, and very few of them have scored 25 goals in a PL season.

Lukaku might split opinion. Personally I'm backing him fully and have every confidence he'll score 30 goals a season for us in all comps. He might be here for a good 6-8 years scoring 200 goals in the process. We don't know what will and won't happen but the very least we can do is get behind the lad.

22 Jul 2017 16:02:15
Is this a wind up?

I was asked to name the 20 attacking players better than Lukaku, not 20 AVAILABLE players for £75m better than Lukaku.

22 Jul 2017 16:14:44
Some of those names on the list are surely a wind up.

22 Jul 2017 16:17:55
And some of them aren't better than him. Vardy? Welbeck? The French Darren Bent?

22 Jul 2017 16:32:07
Ok name me 15 centre backs better than Rio at the time we signed him? Anybody?

Ok name me 5?

Obviously not everyone is going to agree with my opinion on 20+ players, we can't agree on 2 players half the time on here. But my point is valid that there are a great deal many attackers better than Lukaku.

2 people disagreeing with my view that Neymar is better than Lukaku speaks volumes! I can't even throw in Welbeck for a joke, even pointing out it was a joke didn't work.

The brick wall is starting to crumble, time for a rest!

22 Jul 2017 16:42:46
Beast I agree with most of your posts but lukkaku is going to surprise you this season.
If pogba Herrera miki play to their best he will get a lot more chances this season on goal, the man is strong, has a good shot on him. He is also fast. if we get in a good winger this will help him a lot.
I'd have him down for 25 goals this season.
If Chelsea or city signed him we would be saying why weren't we in for lukaku.

22 Jul 2017 17:08:31
The only surprise is that you didn't say Danny Ings and that there were only 2 city players. Madness.

22 Jul 2017 17:10:41
Jesus is a talent but he's had less than half a season in English football, you're kidding, right?

22 Jul 2017 17:21:41
Actually don't think beast post is far off. Most of the mentioned are better than the current Lukaku. That's not to say Lukaku won't do well, as I expect him to. Vardy, Welbeck and a few others are clearly not but the majority are. Yaz are you actually saying Aguero shouldn't be there? He's the best in the league mate.

22 Jul 2017 17:34:17
Jeez. I have tried to stay out of getting involved with the Beast bashing but come on. Jesus, Belotti and Vardy? Lukaku has scored over 100 goals in the last 4 years and you are going to compare him to these 3? Why isn't anyone going for Vardy this season? This is a joke. Jesus, maybe talented and potential but not better. surely you are taking the piss here?

I have been following all posts for awhile and now I am almost convinced that you are a Liverpool supporter who comes here to wind us up.

22 Jul 2017 17:54:28
But you would spend £100 million + on a kid who has had 1 good season in the French league.

22 Jul 2017 18:15:42
Ah beast sorry i got that wrong. I thought it was the availability you were talking about. Agree with the rio comparison but that's how the market is or we are very poor while negotiating.
The list of strikers though i would wipe off the 3rd category.
I have my doubts on lukaku as well but that's just the mental side of him to step up for a huge club otherwise as far as ability is concerned he is clearly capable to be one of the best around.

22 Jul 2017 22:07:26
add dembele and griffiths to your list too beast.

22 Jul 2017 22:02:52
Canavaro, Nesta, Puyol, Helguera, Ayala, Desailly, Thuram (although mainly played at rb) Lucio, Sol Campbell, Walter Samuel, Fernando Couto.

There's a few who were probably considered better or 'world class' CB's at the time we signed Rio.
The thing is though, Fergie wanted Ferdinand just as Jose wanted Lukaku who could, for all we know, go on and break Rooney's record.

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22 Jul 2017 22:08:50
I thought i posted earlier but may have forgot to send.

Beast I agree with your assessment of lukkaku in comparison to other forwards. Maybe not the exact list young it up but something similar.

As for Rio comparisons from early 2000s: Nesta, Maldini, cannavaro, hierro, salgado, campbell, Fernando couto, puyol, Samuel, lucio, Desailly, thuram, carvalho, Nadal, lebeouf, ayala and kennedy. All were as good if not better at the time Rio joined us. Now I coukdnt get to 20 but it was a few years ago and my memory isn't what it was ;)



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