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12 Jul 2017 17:14:56
I'm interested in hearing why people are opposed to the Dier signing. He's been a united fan all his life, he's 6'2", decent on the ball, great positioning and is exactly the type of player we need to offer the forwards and fullbacks more freedom. I can't see a downside, oh and he's very good mates with dele Ali so could give us a hand with that transfer next season ha ha.

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12 Jul 2017 17:26:00
I imagine the question some would ask is - is being decent on the ball enough for what we need? Especially at the prices quoted. We currently have Carrick who is technically excellent but not as much of a beast defensively. I guess it depends on which attribute you value most highly (defensive strength / technical ability) and how you see our lineup benefitting from either. And more importantly which attributes Jose values more highly for that role.

12 Jul 2017 17:27:36
I'm not opposed to his signing but I'd much prefer a deep lying playmaker in that role instead.

Carrick is the perfect example but obviously 4-5 years younger so he could play every game. We're solid enough now on physical players. A deep lying playmaker to intercept the play and unlock defences from deep would be a better way to go imo.

In a dream world it'd be Toni Kroos but that's never going to happen.

12 Jul 2017 17:38:38
I agree on Kroos. By the way, why on earth did LVG turn down the chance to sign him when he was set to come?

12 Jul 2017 17:46:40
With a more settled defensive and better organised you don't need a cdm.

12 Jul 2017 18:10:29
Im wary of posts which cite height as an attribute which means we should sign a player

Im also wary of posts which cite a player as "exactly what we need" as they invariably turn out not to be that.

TFM is 6 foot 3 and can do those things, why not just give him a go.

12 Jul 2017 18:35:51
Fair point DSG, both TFM and Tuanzabe could do that job for us. I don't see anything exceptional about Dier. A good defender but an average midfielder.

12 Jul 2017 19:30:32
Interesting point on TFM but he's not shown any of that in midfield for us at senior level yet. Dier divides opinion. Some Spurs fans I know love him, some say he can leave for £50m. I'm not convinced by him, but then again people weren't convinced by Carrick for many years.

12 Jul 2017 19:48:15
Do you need a cdm in an era of football when you can't tackle .
Is cdm just a cm who technically isn't that good but works hard?

Verrati and kante both have defensive qualities but have far more to there game neither are defensive midfielders .

Are matic or dier really game changers I can remember p Neville doing well in cm . I don't think it's that's hard to play the role and look good in a good team when you have top players around you .
Do you need to be paying big cash for that type of player?

12 Jul 2017 20:39:52
Jred you need to ask Jose that. If he is interested, and for big money, then he has his reasons. If he signs then so be it, let's hope his plan works next season.

12 Jul 2017 20:51:05
The cl finalists both play with a cdm so did the epl french spanish italian and german league winners.
I think if you have the right player he can adapt and play a moee expansive role when the his team are dominating. Chelsea won the keague twice with natic playing there in last 3 years. Spurs finished second with dier playing there so both are good options and better than we have at the club.
I think for joses preferred system he likes a particular type of player there. So regardless of what we think he knows what he wants and knows how to make that work and most or a lot of the top teams play with a cdm.
Jred as you say tackeling is near forbidden so that's why a cdm us about a lot more than tackeling.

12 Jul 2017 21:01:12
Doesn't casemiro do the role for real which allows the rest to do their thing, matic was the protection for Chelsea last year. I would suggest most of the top top teams have that player who intercepts and keeps positional disciplin which allow the others to play. I just can't see the problem, it's almost a no brainier to get the balance of the team right in my opinion.

12 Jul 2017 21:02:23
Brendan.
Not going to get much banter on here then .
Unless Jose starts posting.

12 Jul 2017 21:15:20
Agreed dsg, Danny and Jred. Dier is not a bad player but he's nothing special. And for £50m in that position, we should be getting one of the best in that position. He's not one of the best, he's not even in the top 20 in that position.

12 Jul 2017 21:53:00
No problem with Dier but why are we talking about it as Spurs won't sell him full stop.

If Jose wanted him and Spurs were willing to sell then I don't see the problem and why all the questioning about his ability.

Jose is a winner he is well qualified to make the decisions on players. The rest of us haven't got a clue in comparison as if we did then we would be PL managers on £100k a week!

12 Jul 2017 21:59:25
Casemiro cost about 10 mil is he really a great player? Not for me does a job tho
Chelsea won the league with ivanovic who was awful does it make him a great player because the team he played in done well?
Did Chelsea win the league because of matic?
Did spurs get 2nd place because of dier .

Carrick has played the same role for united and is twice the player matic dier and casemiro.
Kross does it for Germany and is twice the player.
In a good team you don't have to be a top player to do the role, tfm could do it as well as dier imo.


So back to my op which has gone over the head of a few do u have to pay big cash for a player to do that job? Lot of players could do it imo .

Would dier and casemiro look great players playing for Sunderland . cattermole could do casemiro job for Madrid .
Decent players but there not top players . Wanyama got stick on here when united where linked with him he wouldn't of if he was at Madrid.

12 Jul 2017 22:43:21
Is being a Utd fan, part of our buying strategy now? Not overly impressed with him. Think we'd be as well giving TFM a chance.

12 Jul 2017 22:14:36
Not really banter. Need to look up the meaning of that word me thinks.

12 Jul 2017 23:01:58
Dier is not a bad player but is he really a great player?
A lot of players out there could do a similar job .
He is part of a very good team but that doesn't mean he is a great player .
That said he could come to united and be a decent player in a great team .
Could well do a job but there are a lot of other options .

Casemerio is bang average, romeu at Southampton is better.

12 Jul 2017 23:15:16
Brendan
If every time someone has an opinion on here and we have to ask Jose we won't get much banter .

12 Jul 2017 23:22:41
Lets give unproven TFM a chance. Fantastic idea. So when the window closes and it could all go south what happens then? We need depth and not buying we will struggle in 3/ 4 competitions next season.

TFM needs chances when we are on a roll and winning games. Not when we are in the process of building.

12 Jul 2017 23:47:14
I don't get the obsession with TFM. Yes he's one of our own (sort of) but he's also played a fair amount of first team games without forcing his way in. I hope he has a future with us but those who watch the reserves need to remember reserve team football is a million miles away from the first team and not to pin too much on youngsters impressing in the reserves. Back when I had more time I used to watch the reserves a lot and fell into the same trap (it's easy done) and was optimisticly convinced Guisseppe Rossi would be a world beater, Dave Jones a solid first teamer, Sylvan Ebanks-Blake a decent squad player, Floribert Ngalula the new Vieira, etc. We dominated reserve team football then and of all of those players only Rossi had a decent career and Pique of course an amazing career and even better record with the ladies. I suspect it will be the same sort of thing with this generation.
Ps whatever happened to Jon Spector?

13 Jul 2017 00:28:50
So has Dier impressed you all enough to spunk out £50 million?

13 Jul 2017 01:21:30
I don't get the obsession with every player we are linked with .
We had to sign fabinho he was exactly what we needed until we got linked to matic .
Matic was then exactly what we needed, EPL proven etc . Which strangle fabinho wasn't, yet both are exactly what we need.
Now it's dier, if we get linked to tfm he will be just what we need

Linked to morata, have to buy him no matter what he cost, bought lukaku a different type of striker for more money? He then becomes just what we need

What if Chelsea buy morata and keep matic we have no hope because from reading on here they are the best EPL option out there.


Buy buy buy buy buy anything is better than we have.

{Ed007's Note - That's like talking to Ed004 on the Ed's chat widget!!! You forgot to bore the arse off everyone talking about different line-ups, formations, tactics, hair dos and goal celebrations for every player but otherwise you nailed it.}

13 Jul 2017 01:32:59
No one is worth £50m. Maybe if I had a spare £50m I'd consider sending it Pique's way for Shak, but not for Eric Dier, no. I would trade 2 Iheanacho's for 1 Eric Dier though.

13 Jul 2017 04:13:19
I've played CDM a lot for my local team I'm also 6'2 Jose should call me. I'm exactly what we need.

13 Jul 2017 08:12:28
Get Nainggolan in, he can break up play, pass and has an eye for goal. For a smoker he covers some serious ground too.
A MF 3 of Herrera Pogba and Nainggolan would be frightening. We wouldn't lose many games in midfield with them 3.

13 Jul 2017 11:02:06
2toms a few on here including myself like him. Personally i have been put off by a couple of the eds who have questioned his attitude and professionalism. He dies have the sort of all action style like vidal that i love. But he can he maintain that in the epl with a poor lifestyle.
Matic is a different type of player but plays gis role really well backing up and covering from behind the ball brilliantly. He is very tacticallu aware and his defencive positioning is great allowing him to be in the right place more often than not to snuff out attacks before they happen
Dier may have a higher ceiling than mata and obviously jose sees him as someone he can mould into his ideal cdm.
Its an underrated role imo and if you find the right one they are worth their weight in gold. You won't win the league because you have a great cdm or cb partnership but would you win the league without them?
In joses teams its a really crucial role.

{Ed004's Note - In an ideal world Dier and Nainggolan would be brilliant pieces of business but I think we will only get a holding midfielder as Fellaini and Periera will cover for Herrera and Pogba. So unless one of Fellaini or Periera is leaving I don't think signing Nainggolan is likely}

13 Jul 2017 14:34:41
I agree with a lot of that jred but not the extremes of cattermole being able to do at madrid what cassemro does.
The role of cdm imo is often undervalued and when a team finds one that works for them despite their ' non obvious or flamboyant' contribution they are pivitol to how others can play their role.

Its easy as you say jred to get somebody into do a pretty good job but if you get the right one then it allows things to open up for others.
I think jose wants a certain type of player in do that to allow valencia shaw pogba miki martial etc to improve.

Personally i would like a more expansive no6 as we usually have more possession your kroos / veratti type but jose usually goes for that defensive player who is very astute at covering and supporting play from behind the ball. Snuffing out attacks by being in the correct position most of the time. Those types of players are invaluable when you find the right one the same can be ssid for cb partnerships. You don't win the league because of them but would you have won it without them?

Is dier worth 50m or matic 40m no bloody way imo but if they are what jose believes is the fulcrum and link from defence to attack and more importantly the link between attack and defence then its a big money position.

I agree to you to a point jred neville did well as a cdm as did cattermole and maybe for a few games would have not been found out at the level of madrid or even a top epl club but over a season they would have been found out, because they were not good enough to hold down what is considered by most top coaches as a specialised and vitally important position.

My favourite midfielder to watch at the moment are vidal and veratti both can play that cdm / no 6 role in 2 completely different ways but both are crucial and pivitol to the way their teams play.

Beauty is in the eye of the beholder one mans veratti is another mans matic i wouldn't mind seeing matic here and doing his usual defencive role if it meant we got 10 or 15% more from pogba shaw valencia martial miki mata etc in an attacking sense. that's what a really good cdm can bring in joses plan imo. wouldn't be my choice but i totally understand it and would support it knowing what jose does and needs for his team to function best.







 

 

 
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