29 Jun 2017 17:45:33
If we ended up signing;
Lindelof
Matic
Perisic
Morata
Would chaps and chapettes be happy with that summer?
29 Jun 2017 18:19:51
Not with perisic. Although tbf I've not watched him just seen clips. But Jose knows what he wants and he normally is spot on.
29 Jun 2017 18:20:14
Lindelof
Matic
Sanchez
Aubameyang
Now that would be a good summer!
29 Jun 2017 18:22:44
What and not buy Marquinhos, Van Dijk, Fabinho, Semedo, Neymar, Bale, Ronaldo, Sanchez, Mbappe or Kane? That would be a pathetic summer.
29 Jun 2017 18:41:56
Would be happy with the quantity of players but don't think those four have the quality to take us from 6th to title contenders.
Aubameyang off to china, sanchez potentially to city, fabinho also wants to move to us. Very surprised we are not interested in them.
29 Jun 2017 19:16:11
As stage 2 of Mourinho rebuilding the team in his mould I think that hits the mark.
I also think there would be an additional 1 or 2 on that. But yes I would be happy. If not extatic.
29 Jun 2017 19:38:16
I didn't really want ibra, not because of his talent but various reason around short term plan etc that said I think he is a better player than morata .
So ibra out morata in wouldn't be a massive improvement imo .
Matic is a decent player but not a better player than pogba or herrera gives us an other number in cm and we need one if we play with a 10 I wouldn't have him in my first 11.
Lindelof I haven't seen enough off .
Perisic is a decent player would fit with what Jose likes but not in the top bracket of players .
We where 6 th in the league a long way off Chelsea, morata perisic and matic aren't really a massive improvement on the standard of players we have imo .
None are the superstar signings many said we need but what's more important imo is the players we have .
Get Miki martial herrera pogba and rash playing to there potential and they will be the stars of next season and maybe matic and co can help with that .
Maybe after getting the first 12 month out the way Jose will get the team to kick on .
A different question if Liverpool bought matic morata and perisic would they win the title?
29 Jun 2017 21:12:17
Personally i think morata is miles better than rashford and martial. Matic is 10 times better and more effectice as a cdm than anyone we have on our books ( now carrick is aging) . And perisic is different to and imo better than any of our wingers so they imo would make a huge improvement to the squad. If lindelof turns out to be anything close to as good as bailly then that's 4 great signings.
I would have loved a really top player such as greizman but the ban put paid to that and ither candidates of that ilk such as bale neymar veratti sanchez are very difficult to sign but i belive a player like that would help expedite our climb back to the top.
Personally i think our full backs don't offer anything in the final third. Will shaw come good? Imo its a bigger gamble going into the season with poor full backs than it is signing morata or belotti for inflated sums.
5th 4th 5th 6th the players we have are important jred but many are not good enogh to do better than that. That is fellainis level its blinds jones smalling rooney (now) its rojos its darmians that's my opinion. Too much mediocrity in the squad. Some are has beens some will never be better than 4th place europa leage players .
29 Jun 2017 21:27:01
Blinds etc are just squad players every squad needs them .
Darmian as the ed has said if he moves will prob go to the juventus so then that will be his level .
Not really that many games that united need a defensive cm imo and there are better players than matic anyhow imo I don't think he will be any better than herrera was this year .
If Miki finds form him at 10 pogba and herrera all day long for me .
Only last summer Ronnie was getting a dogging for saying we should sign morata but now we are linked to him he seems to be world-class? .
I don't think he is a better player than ibra . so ibra out morata in doesn't improve us much imo .
If Liverpool where about to sign morata perisic and matic I don't think many on here would have them down as great signings imo.
29 Jun 2017 21:42:35
The problem is our squad players end up playing too many games. And are therefore 1st team requlars not squad players. There are very few better than ibra for scoring goals but he is not our player so is irrelevent imo. i'd place a bet now that morata will score more next season than either martial or rash have scored in the last 2 seasons.
Herrera is not a cdm and yes we do need one badly. Imo.
29 Jun 2017 22:23:09
Spot on jred.
29 Jun 2017 22:35:19
You don't need every player to be world class to make the best team, if we signed Alonso and Moses last summer we'd have been up in arms but they were vital in Contes team, I think all the 4 I mentioned would improve Liverpool but I don't think they've a good a current squad as us so to your point jred I think matic will help get the best from Pogba and with Lindelof settle our already decent defence, if this signings do well and help the current players hit their potential then they'd be top additions and I think we aren't actually that far off from challenging anyway.
29 Jun 2017 22:36:12
Ken
We are looking to improve on last season so I don't see morata as a better option than what we had last season .
Morata perisic and matic are not really a massive step up in quality to what we had last season certainly not the world-class players that would walk in to Barcelona or Madrid team that people went on about last season .
Herrera played very well last season even if you say he is not a cdm he is a footballer that can and has played more than one role .
Bastian and sch has moved on so there is prob place for a cm but there are better players than matic out there both herrera and pogba are better players .
29 Jun 2017 22:56:58
I agree its all about the blend and players complimenting each other. However i think on top of that team framework a little bit of match winning stardust and ability is required. We have always had it in our ranks.
A couple of proven winners with big club mentality would be ideal to compliment a largely youg and inexperienced team.
29 Jun 2017 22:59:33
Wrd
Which is my point we have a good squad we have good players . Matic and co may make us a better team but they are not a massive step up on what we have .
Not the superstar that many would like.
Griezmann bale kroos all the usuall names are a step up from them 3 .
Is morata a better player than ibra matic better than Bastian and schneiderlin?
Perisic better than miki .
If we sign then 3 they will be no better than the players we had last season .
Pogba imo doesn't need matic he has been improving for France and united gradually over the last season starting to learn how to be an integral part not just the icing on the cake .
But we should improve as team and it will be important that Jose gets the best out of the squad .
Would they improve city or Chelsea?
I see them as more a part of the jigsaw than star players.
29 Jun 2017 23:49:39
I think jm has worked with morata before and must realy rate him, I suspect he thinks there's quite a few teams in the prem league that aren't great next season and may park the bus against us not leaving room behind them for speed merchants like martial and rashford and moratas greater strength and aerial ability may be of more use in quite a few games . However he better be correct as when you pay big fee and big wages for a player who is unable to command a first team place from the team u buy them from then you would quite rightly have to face the music if your wrong. Jm must know this and his player judgement so far has been good, so he must have supreme confidence in morata and as yet he hasn't bought a dud.
29 Jun 2017 23:27:11
I think Darmian is a solid, gritty defender, and I'd be sad to see him go. As jred says, if Juve buy him, maybe he has something that a lot on here either can't, or don't want to see.
30 Jun 2017 06:58:46
players we have already have that bit of magic imo, so if getting matic releases pogba to play knowing that he's covered then he's a match winner, same with miki and the striker not having to drop deep to get the ball all make a huge difference. I'm not saying there signings that get you out your seat but maybe they get the best out of what we have already, and I believe we have a good squad already.
30 Jun 2017 07:43:08
Personally. I agree with jred in this debate. Matic Perisic and Morata are not going to make us into PL champions. Sanchez Kroos and Neymar will.
We need flair players as all the teams above us have them in abundance. Teams parked the bus and we didn't know how to break them down. And I don't see anything different so far.
Will I be happy with Perisic Morata and matic, yes, but only if we sign Sanchez and Neymar as well. Then you'll have a proper squad and an excellent first 11.
30 Jun 2017 08:22:51
You're right here jred.
But ultimately as a fan, I have to trust Jose on this, whether he was signing perisic, ronaldo or a championship player. You have to trust the manager, he has had plenty of time to analyze what he needs for the forthcoming window and I'm sure ed will get it done.
I think it's more of the case that no matter who signed for liverpool we would be slating them:)
30 Jun 2017 10:08:01
I don't disagree with jred but I think they will prove vital parts of a team who can help get the best out of the existing players aswell, obvs Griezmann would be the ideal but that's on hold, well Chelsea and Spurs are in different stages of evolution to us, if Liverpool signed them I think it'd improve them further but again like we are both saying united have quality players that we can get more out of and if that's the case with the new additions I think we could become PL champs, these are players that seem most likely atm but is all hypertheticol.
30 Jun 2017 17:46:19
Morata is a lot more mobile than Zlatan, and from memory when he played at Juventus his game helped get the best out of Pogba. Interestingly last season his scoring rate was second only to Messi in the league at a goal every 89 minutes and proved rather clinical with a goal every 4 shots.
I think a Dabinho type CDM is key as it allows the attacking players to play higher up the pitch - let's not forget last season there were times Martial, Rashford, Mata, Miki etc. were asked to track back so when we win the ball back off the opposition the attacking players were too deep which doesn't allow for a speedy transition from defence to attack.
This season with (hopefully) a settled bask 4 of Shaw - Lindelof - Bailly - Valencia and then a CDM whether Matic, Fabinho or someone else there should be more options for the full backs to support the attack, and the attacking players to stay higher up the pitch.