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15 Jun 2017 10:20:14
Question for MAZE,

I see you have recently come back on the site all guns blazing having not posted for quite a while. In fact, just before the Europa League final victory ironically (though sure that is just a coincidence) .

Just wanted to ask your thoughts on the EL final win, did you celebrate like the rest of us? It was my favourite day as a United fan for a good few years, thought it was a tactical masterclass and made Ajaz look like League 1 level fodder.

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15 Jun 2017 10:46:55
G'day GDS. What exactly do you want me to say here? That I wasn't pleased about United claiming CL qualification for next season? I really do not know why you have asked me such a foolhardy question.

Of course I was pleased United won the cup. Although if I am to be completely honest I was a little embarrassed for Mourinho for building up his achievement after his previous scathing remarks.

What was it the special one publicly said again a few years back something along the lines of 'Winning the EL would be a disappointment (or embarrassment I cannot remember the exact wording) ' and 'I don't want my players to feel that the EL is my teams level (again something along those lines) '. Some utterly pathetic backtracking from the gaffer in my view.

Again though winning a second rate cup for largely less reputable clubs was a means to an end that we were not capable of achieving in the PL so yes I am pleased with the ultimate outcome. As for not posting in a while I have simply been very busy. Does this answer suffice in answering your foolhardy question?

15 Jun 2017 11:04:22
The thing is Maze, with Jose comments, he meant his team failing to qualify for the CL and winning EL isn't good enough. But Jose took over with us in the EL, so he had no option. He didn't have a chance at CL as the previous manager failed to get united to qualify. So them comments are totally pointless to use.

15 Jun 2017 11:15:04
Stand you can wrap it in cotton wool all you like but Jose was trying to be-little Rafa Benitez's achievement with Chelsea that is why he said it. Now look at him crying after the Celta game and talking up his EL win so to me those comments are not 'pointless'.

15 Jun 2017 11:26:03

I pretty much expected you to say that, express that you were happy but then totally rip that view apart by laying into the manager and club. I was just wondering, you like to aim posts at me and call people out on their opinions so I thought I would ask you a question to provoke some debate seeing as you are posting a lot at the moment.

Do you not see the difference between winning the EL now compared to when he made them comments? If CL football had not been on offer for the winner we would have played the kids in the compeition and probably got knocked out in the group stage, the relief of manager, players and fans alike was there for all to see, we wanted to be in the CL next season and we are, 5 years ago when he made the comments we wouldn't have been, so can't really compare.

It is a huge coincidence that you are busy every time United seem to be doing well, thanks for saying I was 'foolhardy' for asking you a genuine question I am sure others are interested in the answer to as well. After all, you are the person who repeated in capitals each week that we would never win a trophy under Louis van Gaal, how did that one work out?

15 Jun 2017 12:00:06
i thought we won 3 tropies probably not the best ones but trophies never the less how many did the special one pep win.

15 Jun 2017 12:01:11
GDS you asked for an honest answer and I gave you one. I don't believe I have 'laid into the manager' I am just saying it as it is and as it was. Did I say anything untrue?

The point you are making about the comments is irrelevant because quite simply Jose made those comments to put down the achievements of his predecessor. Maybe if he kept his mouth shut at the time we wouldn't be having this conversation or maybe if his side were better in the PL he could have played the kids in the 'cup that is a disappointment'? I'm sure he was crying after the Celta game it was just something in his eye right?

I am busy guy GDS what can I say. I posted before the EL final did I not? As for the rest if the campaign is finishing 6th your idea of 'doing well'? It is really worrying if it is. As for the question you posed I believe others would be thinking "of course a United fan is pleased when United win" so again it was a foolhardy question.

My apologies I almost forgot that trophy LVG won (probs because I fell asleep during the final) but let's not recall past statements. Don't make me remind you of your claims of LVG's sides being great to watch or Smalling being the best CB in the league.

15 Jun 2017 12:15:07
Didn't Mourinho win the Europa with Porto? I think some people make the mistake of taking anything Mourinho says literally when what he is nearly always doing is plant phycological seeds in his own players and the minds of other managers and their teams. Much like SAF used to.

15 Jun 2017 12:26:33
Supasub that is what makes his comments even worse because winning the UEFA Cup was the making of him. It wasn't mind games because Rafa was gone from the PL by then, he just wanted to show off to the press and put down someone else's achievement by saying it was below him.

Fast forward 4 years later and he is crying his eyes out lauding his own victory in the same competition. This is why some folk didn't want him at United because he talks a hell of a lot ****. Narcissist or Hypocrite? You decide.

15 Jun 2017 12:37:40

Haha if you can find where I said we were great to watch under LVG or that Smalling is the best centre back in the league go ahead and show me but they never happened, whereas you came on here each week and in capitals told us that LVG would never win a trophy.

Yes you posted before the EL final, that was kind of my point. If you don't think calling the manager 'utterly pathetic' is laying into him then we obviously have differing views.

I am glad to hear you took a little satisfaction and happiness from winning the final, shame you did't come and share it with us like the league cup final and fa cup final before it.

I don't think finishing 6th was good enough and never said it was, I would rather get into the CL via the EL than finishing 2nd though. We missed too many chances in the league and will need to be more clinical next season (perhaps why we need to buy a striker despite you thinking we have enough already minus our top scorer) . The winning mentality from winning the cups now needs to be taken into the league, Old Trafford needs to become a fortress again, too many draws, though i think the last time we lost at home was against City in November so we aren't too far away.

15 Jun 2017 12:54:03
GDS if I could be bothered to delve into the archives I could easily find posts to support those claims. The Smalling one sticks out like a sore thumb as many posters including myself kept talking about the 2 x CM's constantly protecting Smalling to make him look good but you had him down as the next Rio. WOW!

Again GDS did I call Jose utterly pathetic as a manager or his contradictory actions regarding the EL trophy utterly pathetic? More twisted words I believe.

You clearly said I wasn't on here when 'things were going good this season' tell me about these 'good times' as from what I understand United finished 6th. Hence why I assume that these are the good times you speak of? No? Yes? Possibly?

I personally would rather finish 2nd than win the Sevilla cup. I'd rather leave that too the teams that aren't capable of constantly competing in the big time.

15 Jun 2017 13:15:44
Maze, the 2nd part of my post was clearly lost on you.

15 Jun 2017 13:37:47
Now then. I'm one who always casts envious eyes at City's players. With the players they've got, they have seriously underachieved.
Mourinho win three trophies with an average side.
Maze, while we weren't magnificent all season, we did play better than in recent years. We played more games than any side in Europe. We had serious injury problems.
Pep took over at City and achieved NOTHING despite having de bruyne sane Aguero sterling Silva yaya in the side.
Not sure what else mourinho was supposed to achieve.

15 Jun 2017 13:38:43
Trying to talk to the Wall Supasub, some people will never be happy.

GDS I actually watched the final with a Liverpool fan and he asked what I'd prefer to have, our season or theirs and I was baffled by his answer, he would rather qualify on merit according to him, yet we won three trophies and have qualified outright where as they need to qualify still.

Qualifying for a tournament because you finished fourth, winning no trophies or winning three trophies and finishing 6th, I'd rather have three days out and finish 6th than finish fourth aanytime.

15 Jun 2017 13:50:07
Schmid what has this got to do with City? Why don't we compare our season to Chelsea's instead?

Gazpat who is not happy here? If you are capable of reading you will see above I have said that I was pleased. I would agree with your friend assessment to an extent. The Europa league is essentially the back door into the CL and is designed to give clubs who would struggle to get into the CL on merit an opportunity.

15 Jun 2017 13:53:47
Gazpat i agree completely.

And as mentioned, i'd take winning the EL to qualify than finish 2nd. Trophy is a trophy and its one we have never won.

15 Jun 2017 14:01:08
Do we have to count the charity shield as winning a trophy?

It a one off game before the season has even started little more than a friendly.

15 Jun 2017 14:02:54
Better than 6th he was supposed to achieve and dare I say a little bit (lot) more attacking intent.

Jose played his Joker this season, probably both of them. No more left in the deck next season.

15 Jun 2017 14:28:28
Winning the Europa league is achieving cl on merit . We've won a trophy that we didn't have too albeit not the most decorated but I'm from a time when winning it was considered a good if not great thing for any club. You've still got to go and win it. I'm all for bringing in winners. I noticed Mazes players he'd like to bring in haven't won a trophy between any of them as far as I'm aware. Very romantic all the same to bring in players who are untested at the highest levels and think they will make the difference.

15 Jun 2017 14:28:34
Oh here comes the other one. You would have fired him in February Beast so God knows where we would be now if you got your way.


I don't want to cause arguments or get offensive as that isn't what it is about, was just having a bit of banter and you have started bringing up things I never said to defend your own comments.

The good times were clearly the 2 trophies that we won, one of them for the first time in our history. My original question was were you happy, you said yes and then named reason after reason why you weren't happy and are now calling it the Sevilla Cup to prove just how disappointed you are that we won this terrible trophy.

So in answer to my 'foolhardy' question despite you saying otherwise I will have to assume based on all your comments you weren't that happy, which is a shame. That's all I wanted to know, I will leave you now to get your knickers in a twist and make up more things I never said. Good afternoon.

15 Jun 2017 14:30:27
May be a good question to ask an arsenal fan next season if offered 4th place and back into champs league that way or win the Europa and come 5 th or 6th what would they see as a more successful season it seems to split opinion . As a one off option i'd take the later as a stopgap because as posters point out it wasn't JMS fault we weren't in champs league last season and he won a lot of what was available to him . However we can never accept 24 points off the pace again.

15 Jun 2017 16:12:37
And to further your point Slate151 -

City, our noisy neighbors and direct rivals who are managed by 'the messiah' - won nothing. Do people think they enjoyed their season more than UTD fans did?

15 Jun 2017 16:35:11
I think Utd had the 2nd best season of all in the EPL. Call me for it I wouldn't care.
But behind Chelsea no one else had a better season.

15 Jun 2017 16:51:24
I don't know why everyone bites at jmb and beast

Just don't reply to there posts if everyone is so bothered.

It's pointless having a debate with them because there always right.

15 Jun 2017 20:32:58
I am sure Jose is not satified with 6th and I am also sure he still regards the Europa as a minor competition and a low bar for a team like United. However there is a substantive difference between the Europa then and the Europa today - now it's a route into the Champions League. It's a far more important competition than it was prior to last season. I bet Wenger will be choosing teams to win it next season if for no other reason as insurance against dropping out of the top 4 again. It was a good decision by UEFA to raise the competition's profile by adding that carrot.

16 Jun 2017 00:38:24
I agree maze

He did say that smalling is king. It's like he cannot cope unless his name is all over the page.

If beast is not replying then I ignore it. Beast does not intimidate or ridicule people's views only the players. Sure why are th REGULARS the regulars

People to scared to post I suppose.

16 Jun 2017 00:50:49
Beast is a good man to have a conversation with always shows respect and can take people with opposite onions very well.
Unlike a couple of others who have double standards at every turn and only come on to stir trouble or have a row. I agree maze is one of tbose bolger but he is not alone.



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