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12 Jun 2017 18:39:50
Just been reading that Rooney wants his contract paying up if he's to leave. Sounds about right, he's been bleeding us dry for the last God knows how long so why not.

Endearing himself to the fans again. SAF was right. We should've got rid years ago.

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12 Jun 2017 19:00:40
Probably not true, but from past experience it could be. Jred would give it him though ;-)

12 Jun 2017 19:02:32
If what i read was true i hope he gets the schweinsteiger treatment, go rot in reserves until your contract is up, should do his 2018 worldcup dream some good.

12 Jun 2017 19:07:33
more hate for our all time leading goal scorer, he isn't good enough no more and hasn't been for a long time that is evident but the lad gives everything on the pitch when he steps on it and just wants to play, give the lad a break for god sake and wait and see what happens before you start slagging him off because you have read something in a rag which is probably a load of nonsense.

12 Jun 2017 19:08:36
If that is his attitude and knowing that he wants to play (or is that just blackmail? ) pay him, make him train hard and let him rot on the bench.
Alternatively we could see if Moyes will pay for his blunder.

12 Jun 2017 19:13:40
What Rooney was right about though is, when he first said he wanted to leave it was because of a lack of quality investment in the squad. Apart from van Persie he was spot on.

12 Jun 2017 19:23:18
It's a contract. He's owed it.

12 Jun 2017 20:28:07
All he wants is enough pocket money for a trip to the casino and a kebab.

12 Jun 2017 20:35:57
He is owed it if he fulfils it rwwd. We will
Prob pay half which men's he can take 150k from Everton or elsewhere and he would be no worse off
He is entitled to get the best deal he can. If he stays i would not punish him i'd just pick the team on merit.

12 Jun 2017 20:36:10

Wondered when somebody was going to mention that, imagine a footballer wanting the money he is owed from a contract he signed, what a tosser!

12 Jun 2017 21:35:02
Yeah but didn't you know that once people earn a certain amount they are no longer entitled to earn any more without being a tosser. It's the same magic figure at which point we are also not allowed to feel sympathy for them. My brother recently got a huge promotion and actually took the money! So when his cat died in a lightning storm I just sent him a framed picture of me with my middle fingers up wearing a Thundercats T-shirt.

12 Jun 2017 21:50:24
Used to love Thundercats.

12 Jun 2017 22:51:28
He is right to ask for that the club did give him a contract willingly it's either we abide by it or pay up to terminate it.

12 Jun 2017 22:57:20
Exactly that RWWD and some of the posts on this topic are bordering silly, especially with it being hear-say; although hear-say is why we are on this site of course!

My pennies (or lots of £ in this case! ) worth on this is that I can't imagine he'll get the same package he's on with us anywhere else in Europe. I'd imagine some sort of arrangement could be reached but it's the money side that I do my best to ignore due to ignorance on the inner workings.

12 Jun 2017 23:07:43
The treatment of Rooney by united fans and England supporters is embarrassing. I suppose it's a part of the sporting culture in England that outsiders will never understand. All time leading scorer, good buildup play, willing defender, leader on the pitch, good teammate, but never good enough for the critics. TBH, its shameful.

13 Jun 2017 01:09:49
All those saying he is owed it, how exactly is he owed anything. What rooney allegedly wants is his contract paid out so that he can leave to play elsewhere, if wants his money he should stay on the bench for the remainder of his contract then and only then is he owed anything.

13 Jun 2017 01:44:16
CSM would you leave a job a year earlier than contracted to take up a job at another firm for much less money, voluntarily and without any discussion of being compensated for an early exit?

Come on. None of us would. Let's take red tinted specs off and remember this is a business like any other.

{Ed007's Note - #Rooney4Celtic

13 Jun 2017 01:34:57
The club gave him the contract and Rooney's entitled to see it fulfilled, which means he is a United player until the contract expires. The manager can decide when he plays and for how long. But if Rooney wants to play first team football and it's no longer a possibility at Old Trafford, and thus he instigates a move, then he will be the one breaking the contract. That said he would be entitled to negotiate with United for partial reimbursement of lost wages for taking a contract somewhere else. The club wouldn't be obliged to play ball, but they might prefer to pay a portion of his salary for 2 years, rather than all of it.

In other words, let's just wait and see how it plays out. There's no need to criticize either Rooney or the club before we know what's actually happening.

{Ed002's Note - I am not sure you entirely grasp the transfer situation and contracts.}

13 Jun 2017 03:34:56
Zlatanian but i don't care about rooney i care about utd, i don't give a damn what he would or wouldn't do. If he wants to leave we should definitely not be paying out his contract, this would be nice pay back from us for all those city and chelsea flirtings, he wants to play the world cup and he won't be doing that if he spends most time on utd bench. This isn't just a case of us wanting him gone but he wants to go too, can't have both ways this time wayne, it is either big wages or playing time not both.

13 Jun 2017 03:42:48
Kg this is also the same rooney who moaned about squad being not good enough until he had his wages increased then we never heard even a squeak about squad thereafter. This is also the same rooney who threatened the club that if his wages aren't increased he will do a tevez and shamelessly courted chelsea during his last negotiations. A legend endeed.

I don't think you watched the carrick testimonial, if you did you would have seen that rooney was worse than most players on the ground that day, worst part most on ground had been retired for a few years.

13 Jun 2017 05:48:31
What a surprise, I disagree with csm. Rooney stopped complaining about transfer spending when they started spending more than 20mil per window and I agreed with him 110% at the time that the club needed to up their spending for a higher quality of player. Didn't love the Chelsea thing, but am I really going to turn on him bc his agent worked to get him as much money as possible (literally his job) .

You can continue coming up with irrational reasons to hate on Rooney, but my belief that it has to be a cultural thing remains. You think a yankee fan hates on Jeter? Or a lakers fan hates on Kobe Bryant? It's the same with the country's reaction to the national team. The love of hating players is bizarre and you only have to look at the vilification of each and every top English player in recent years (Beckham, Rooney, Gerard, etc etc etc) .

I for one hope Rooney stays and plays out his contract. I don't want to see him coming back to old trafford in a mid table shirt. The guy has been the face of the club practically since he arrived and was the main reason we won anything at all once Ronaldo left.

Rooney is an absolute legend and I'm happy some of my fellow posters agree with me.

13 Jun 2017 07:00:48
KG actually there was little that changed in terms of our transfers, prior to the window in which ronaldo was sold, we spent big, first nani, anderson, tevez etc came in, next season berba came in, rooney did not speak out when ronaldo was sold. But that was the only season before or after where we spent less than 20mn.

After rooney did his squad isn't improving BS, we signed smalling, bebe, lindegaard and chicharito. Next season it was jones, ddg, young and scholes. There too DDG was signed because van der saar retired, scholes was brought back from retirement than signing a decent midfielder, i never heard anything from the concerned rooney then, surely someone who is concerned about the squad will speak out against it.

You can try and convince yourself that rooney did it for the squad but actions speak louder than words and i don't see any actions after he got his money or any words for that matter.

13 Jun 2017 07:54:47
CSM I asked you what you would do in a similar working life situation, I am interested to know.

Anyway it seems there are others discussing this with you and it looks to me you're not going to change your view; which you're entitled to.

For what it's worth I think your argument based around Rooney wanting out and the counter arguments based on this time it being the club that wants Rooney out.

13 Jun 2017 08:16:32
Zlatanian i haven't said anywhere that rooney in his position is wrong in asking for full money, that is in his interest but as a utd fan it won't be in utd's, so what i posted was what i hope utd do. Also the argument as i have said goes both ways, we want him gone but this isn't schweinsteiger situation where he wants to stay here he too wants to leave because he isn't going to get much football here and without minutes on field there isn't going to be a worldcup call up which he clearly wants, if he wants to stay he hopefully rots in reserve or he leaves and goes to whoever wants him without us having to pay him, it is not as if utd will ask for a big transfer fee from likes of everton for rooney.

13 Jun 2017 09:29:30
Maybe if it was UTD wanting rid then yes pay the contract up in full.

IF rooney wants out then due to contracual aspect, offer a reduced pay out.

13 Jun 2017 13:41:34
Ed002. If you have any time then please enlighten us because while I acknowledge not knowing much about the transfers themselves, I do recall some of the principles of basic contract law. Obviously a lot depends on what's actually in Rooney's contract, for example if there's anything in it about playing time etc., but United's basic obligation will be to pay his wages through to the end of it. Meanwhile Rooney cannot accept a contract playing for someone else while he is under contract with United - again subject to any modifying term, or any overriding legislative provision - unless United agree to it. So, Rooney can clearly stay with United and collect his £250k a week or whatever it is, if that's what he wants to do, but he can't move on without United's approval. He could refuse to play, but then United could ultimately sue him for specific performance. Rooney could try to claim that he's been constructively fired, and is being forced out, and counterclaim. Both very unlikely. What will not happen is that United give him £30m to walk away free to accept a contract somewhere else, without any mitigation of that cost. One way or another, in the end an agreement will be reached that involves none of the extremes.

{Ed002's Note - I have not seen Rooney's contract.}



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