16 Apr 2017 20:47:33
I watched SAF manage the team every year since 86, brilliant motivator, the best, he knew how to get every last drop of effort, how to ensure commitment, how to circle the wagons, the us against the world mentality. However, In case you missed it, today we saw tactical genius, if SAF had that skill we would have more European cups and very likely won even more.
Tactical masterclass today, with the team behind it. The direction is looking good for me, Herrera being able to apply a tactically wider skill set makes him a far better player than people understand. Enjoy it, until about an hour before the next game and the doubting Thomass' turn up, which is entirely appropriate for Easter time.
16 Apr 2017 21:11:45
Amen red man. The real Jose might have just stood up today.
16 Apr 2017 21:21:39
With all due respect, Red Man, there was plenty to doubt so far this season, and pointing that out, doesn't mean we don't think Jose is the best man for the job, or that things won't improve. I've seen one person consistently being negative on the live chat. Others are pointing out valid criticisms of the season so far. Stop trying to turn it into a pro and anti-Jose thing, with your 'usual suspects' and 'doubting thomases' remarks. It's not like we've just jumped on Jose from the start and not given him a chance or anything.
16 Apr 2017 21:39:35
Stevie. noucamp
Ah the Moyes argument. Your argument falls flat when looking at the CV comparison, One game doesn't mean success but some can't get over their love for Moyes. They can't deal with the fact Moyes was totally wrong, get over it. I haven't doubted anything this season, I know it's going to take time and pointed that out, Jose knows what he is doing, I am willing to give him time.
16 Apr 2017 21:55:00
Good Post Red Man!
Fergi was definitely more motivator that tactical genius, let's hope we get the best of both with Jose.
16 Apr 2017 22:11:11
So back the manager if red man rates him?
How about just back the manager .
Redman
How do you think fellaini played today a player you have ripped to shreads.
16 Apr 2017 22:16:58
It's nothing to do with Moyes. In fact, I can't think of anyone who's mentioned him more than you, since he left. Just don't come on preaching at people who actually give their managers a chance.
It's ok to point out things that have gone wrong this season, without you labelling them as anti-Jose. It's so childish and patronising. You're a grown man, so stop with the petty name calling at fellow fans who have dared to point out things that may have gone wrong from time to time this season. This one-upmanship is very unattractive.
16 Apr 2017 22:32:17
Redman, it's taken Jose this long to show us his tactical acumen. Great result today and great tactics but for so many games this season he has appeared clueless. I'm happy for him to find his way but let's s stop with the Messia fixation. So far he has been disappointing, he may prove to be a huge success but so far he has been at best average. Today was a good day, let's hope there are plenty more,
17 Apr 2017 00:26:53
1. It hasn't taken Jose until today to show his tactical acumen, if you have watched and are willing to see it, it's been there but he can't help players put the ball in the net
2. Stevie, cut the it's not about Moyes nonsense after posting "It's not like we've just jumped on Jose from the start and not given him a chance or anything". You contradict yourself in the same set of posts.
3. Jred, I don't think Fellaini is the long term answer if we want to win leagues but he had a good game. Like it or not the manager played to his strengths, play the ball up to him and let him use his chest control heading ability where it makes a difference, Have a look back at the game and see that. Both the last two managers didn't have the cohones to do that yet I don't think I have seen Jose get any praise for using him to the max in the interim.
17 Apr 2017 08:20:16
So let me get this straight. You've constantly said on here that Fellaini is not good enough for United. But when Jose plays him and obviously rates him, this doesn't make you doubt Jose's judgement. No, not at all. In fact you say it shows what a top manager he is and he deserves praise for it. You've outdid yourself, here.
I think you'll find that some on here do think Fellaini has played well this season, and have given Jose the credit for having the cojones to ignore those who think they know better than him.
17 Apr 2017 09:05:43
Noucamp
I think Fellaini played well yesterday and the manager used him in the right way. Like Fellaini or not, Jose showed what Leadership was about and did what he thought was right. We have lacked a leader in the managers chair since SAF. It highlights the large gulf in decision making between the last two managers and this one. I seem to remember the first manager after SAF didn't want to substitute someone for fear of what people might think or say. Compare and contrast to Jose.
I don't think Fellaini will be good enough in midfield in a league challenging team. You said Jose "obviously rates him", where you get the "obviously" from I don't know. Jose is playing him because it is what we have available and we can assume he rates him higher than the two players he let go in January. He might rate Fellaini, but doesn't "obviously" rate him; if he does then I would be concerned if Fellaini was first choice in midfield next season. Jose has managed to get more out of some players including Fellaini than the last two managers. Does that make Fellaini a first choice next season, not for me but we shall see.
Jose has a history of winning, Fellaini as first choice would be a big call, yet if it works and he is instrumental in winning the league I will happily hold my hands up next season, however I don't think he will be first choice.
17 Apr 2017 09:19:56
Redman fellaini has been playing well for a while, not just chesting the ball .
It's why he is at a top club like united played under 3 different managers and get in a very good Belgium team .
You might not rate him but some do including Jose.
You seem to have no issue with people slagging players or managers off as long as you don't rate and no issues with other fans doing the same.
You then get upset if anyone is at all critical of a manager or player you rate and start labeling fans anti this or that . It's support the team as long as redman likes them .
17 Apr 2017 09:48:33
Jred
Fellaini time at Utd has coincided with what finishes in the league? only one top 4 in 3 years. We don't know if or how much Jose rates him. He has played much better this season under Jose but if we aspire to win leagues I believe it will need better than Fellaini in our midfield and would be surprised if Jose didn't think the same. Given Fellaini is what he has available the manager is hardly going to knock him at this point. I trust Jose with his experience to get it right
I believe Jose is turning the steaming Supertanker which was heading for the waterfall around, so will defend him from those who wanted him out last week.
17 Apr 2017 11:04:16
Who wanted him out last week? Jaime? Ok, you keep defending him from a 12 year old boy. Keep fighting the good fight. In reality, you're creating an imaginary anti-Jose sentiment, where none exists. Strange behaviour.
17 Apr 2017 11:14:53
Jose public backed fellaini in the summer .
Fellaini come out in the summer and said Jose had told him he rates him and was a big part of his plans .
Fellaini started the season in the first 11 and has continued to be a big part of the squad .
Yet all summer and in fact all year people like yourself keep going on about him not being good enough when it's pretty obvious he his part of Jose plans . Even if you don't rate him .
Herrera time at the club has coincided with us finishing what position in the league? What's your point?
17 Apr 2017 11:52:38
I agree with 99 on Jose I don't think there is an anti Jose faction .
We have been 5 or 6 all season so for me so far Jose and the team have probably been a 6 ish out of 10 .
Doesn't mean Jose is a bad manager or all the players are crap, just that not everything has gone to plan and there is room for improvement.
I'm hope the players and manager feel the same .
17 Apr 2017 11:54:07
Should also say should fans not support and defend all there players managers?
I always thought you looked after your own.
17 Apr 2017 16:41:14
Noucamp, jred
No anti Jose sentiment, really, I must be imagining what's written on live chat, sometimes on here and Beast, whilst ignoring Jaime.
Herrera joined a year later than Fellaini and for me is far more suited to our midfield than Fellaini. Most would acknowledge our midfield hasn't been good enough and Fellaini has had three and a half years to show his quality driving our midfield. It is not just him, he is not solely to blame at all but in his time with us he has not exactly cemented a spot and our league positions have happened during his midfield tenure.
17 Apr 2017 17:03:36
Redman
Beast hasn't been on here for a while now, and no one has really been calling for Jose to get sacked it's more a case of the team could be doing better . your trying to build an anti Jose section that isn't there .
Herrera has been part of that midfield that you say hasn't been good enough and in your own words
" our league positions have happened during his midfield tenure. "
But that's not really the point, why is it OK for you to slag a player or manager of and not others?
And some of the things you have posted about various players and managers are just as bad if not worse than jamie.