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21 Feb 2017 08:48:55
ED001 has written an article about world class centre backs. Definitely worth reading.

{Ed001's Note - thank you.}

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21 Feb 2017 09:41:19
Can we get a link please?
Thank you in advance.

{Ed001's Note - World's best centre backs?

21 Feb 2017 10:34:29
Cracking and a very good read, thought Sergio Ramos was a bit harsh, I see someone who a leader on the pitch (I do agree that he can be a bit reckless though sometimes) but easily a top 5 defender in the world.

21 Feb 2017 12:46:36
Totally agree with Godin, Ed. Been my favourite for years. I think he's been underrated a lot, surprisingly, because he actually looks like a proper, old-school defender, as opposed to a more flashy, ball-playing type. I want my centre half to look like he's been in a ruckus or two. Preferably with his front teeth missing, and a nose that's never reset properly.

{Ed001's Note - is that a self description there mate?}

21 Feb 2017 15:43:16
No ed 001, that's his boyfriend 😀.

21 Feb 2017 16:37:16
Spot on about stones Ed. Can't believe how much city paid for him.

{Ed001's Note - can't believe they even wanted him on a free, personally.}

21 Feb 2017 17:10:08
I think stones will be right up there in a couple of year, still very young for a cb but has bags of talent .
Once he is settled in a good defensive unit something he hasn't had so far he will really kick on .

City paid a lot but i can see why has the talent imo.

21 Feb 2017 18:34:02
I disagree jred. He may be young but his positional sense is borderline laughable. Even if he is supposedly cultured on the ball his first job is to know how to defend. And I don't think guardiola is the right manager to teach him how to defend. Under simeone, conte, mourinho then perhaps it could be another story. I am sick of the media love in about how he is good on the ball. Give me rojo every day who sticks it in row z when need be rather than stones who lacks any positional sense and messes around with the ball at the back. I understand he is under instructions to play that way but I just don't rate him.

21 Feb 2017 18:36:45
When you put 5 random blokes (1 keeper and 4 defenders together) and hope for the best you get Man City performance defensively, no communication, belief of each other and team work, Bravo looks like a lost man in those sticks and keeps making amateur mistakes, no wonder John Stones is struggling.

21 Feb 2017 18:50:30
Park
Rojo is 27 stones will be twice the player the years to come imo
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Cb is a difficult postion to play and shane88 makes a good point, but some vital parts of the position come with experiance, reading the game positionl sense and leading .
Stones is only 22 very young for a top quality cb but he has loads to his game .
He is very much like ferdinand at west ham, everyone said he couldn't defend, made a mistake every game, lacked concentration would switch off in a match, to laid back to be a cb.
It was said leeds had over paid .
Time will tell but i think stones will turn out to be a very good player.

{Ed001's Note - he is nothing like Rio, Rio could defend, he just had concentration issues. Stones can't defend, dithers and dallies on the ball and is not a particularly good passer of it anyway. How many defence splitting passes, ala Hummels, has he ever played? I have never seen one.}

21 Feb 2017 19:10:27
Ed
defence splitting passes isn't really his job, at city its more starting the play and keeping the ball .
I think his short game and his passing is very good .
Ferdy at west ham wasnt a great defender, he was all over the place, infact its a good job he was quick because he got caught out and made mistake after mistake .
But he had all the tools and progressed into a top defender .

City have a different back 4 every game and keeper who is having a nightmare, otamendi is a half decent player but has looked awful in the city defensive unit.
Time will tell but i think stones will go on to be a top player .

{Ed001's Note - I am sorry but I remember Ferdinand well and he was a very good defender in a very poor team. He stood out because of his ability, not because he was all over the place. He was given grief because he made silly errors, not because he could not defend.

As for Stones, his job is to make a pass, and he fails to make any pass far too often. It is nothing to do with playing at City, he was crap at Everton as well.}

21 Feb 2017 19:24:44
All about opinion, i thought he was all over the place at west ham which you would expect from a young lad .
Looked far better playing along side radebe at leeds and sol with england .
Both them 2 run the back 4 kept him right and ferfy kicked on .
Everton under martinez where a defensive joke, but i think stones has talent and time on his side .

{Ed001's Note - we will have to agree to disagree, as I never remember him being all over the place, merely lacking concentration.

Stones has less talent than the other lad they picked up from there. He is the most over rated player in the game right now. If he wasn't English he would be laughed at the way Luiz was in his first spell, in fact more so, as he is not half as good a player on the ball or defensively as Luiz.}

21 Feb 2017 19:40:05
To be honest ed whos over rating him?
He gets dogs abuse in the media and of other fans .
Seems to be hightly rated by those in the game th

But you are right we will have to agree to disagree on this one .
I bet he has a nightmare tonight now 😂.

{Ed001's Note - highly rated by those in the media, not so much by all those within the game. The media keep talking him up, and claiming he is just making a few errors, rather than admitting he just isn't very good.}

21 Feb 2017 19:53:46
Do you think so ed, i though he has been getting a lot of stick in the press since the middle of last season good example of the english press building a player up far to early and then spending a year knocking them down.
Where as I've seen a lot of managers players etc backing the lad .
City paid 50 mil for right or wrong some must rate him.

21 Feb 2017 19:53:46
Do you think so ed, i though he has been getting a lot of stick in the press since the middle of last season good example of the english press building a player up far to early and then spending a year knocking them down.
Where as I've seen a lot of managers players etc backing the lad .
City paid 50 mil for right or wrong some must rate him.

{Ed001's Note - the media are still all saying 'he is great but....' whereas I have spoken to a few coaches that disagree. Funnily enough it is mainly the foreign coaches that think he can't defend and is not that good on the ball.

Watch him tonight, he makes nothing happen on the ball. His touch is heavy, his reading of movement is non-existent, he is just quick and tall.}

21 Feb 2017 21:11:18
Have to agree with ed there jred. I accept your point on rojo that was a bad comparison but I would honestly have him over stones. And right now stones has just had a shocker of a mistake against a supposedly over hill falcao. There is some stat that he has made the most mistakes leading to goals in the last two seasons and that is not coincidence. Rio could defend and his positional play was better. Stones is living off the ridiculous media hype because he can pass the ball like a European defender. Call me old fashioned but a defender must be able to defend and if he can pass then that's an added bonus. Title winning sides are built on strong defences.

21 Feb 2017 21:16:55
ED001 I agree about what you say about Rio's concentration, the CL game against Benfica where he let the ball go over him, cost Utd their place in the next round. I distinctively remember Neville roasting him for that. Albeit he was a great defender, but could have been much more.

{Ed001's Note - he should have been the best in the world, but his concentration used to let him down at vital times.}

21 Feb 2017 21:24:37
Have to agree to disagree i think he good on the ball, monaco cut it out tonight never let city play from the back .
Otanendi shocking tonight but monaco a very good team going forward.

21 Feb 2017 21:30:22
Park
Falcao has just scored 2 great goals 25 for the season .
Over the hill?
As for stats look at the amount of passes he makes per game and tbe role he his playing .
Give the lad time only 22 he will be right up there imo .

21 Feb 2017 22:02:08
Jred did you watch Stones tonight, the way Falcao who has had two ACL injuries just brushed him aside and the way Mbappe span in behind him like he wasn't there was hilarious. Unless he improves on the basics I don't see any hope for Stones.

21 Feb 2017 22:02:19
Jred re-read my post. I said 'supposedly' over the hill. And my post further up is praising falcao. Let's agree to disagree! I can see your point but I fear under guardiola he won't hit the heights some expect of him. Under Jose, simeone, conte and may be different story. On the other hand we have some player on our hands with bailly!

21 Feb 2017 22:25:04
Monaco
And the supposedly over the hill falcao who has had 2 acl injuries, what's the point with them points he was brilliant, looked great in attack .
Stones got done by a top class c. f. but apart from that done ok . Not great but ok .
But you defend as a team and a unit, and the lads in the studio where bang on when they said " you have to feel sorry for stones playing next to otemendi, The Argentina international, stones is a young cb who like ferdy and others need a good player next to them.
You need experience at cb and with stones we are still talking potential but there is a reason city and pep paid 50 mil.

People told me otamendi was a good player, he was awful tonight and has been all season Stones has been better than him and he is only 22, 22 for a cb is nowt .
We will see over the next few year if stones makes it but pep and co aren't fools.

21 Feb 2017 22:05:44
Stones is a liability and shouldn't be mentioned in the same breath as rio!

21 Feb 2017 22:44:15
Angle
Rio at 22 shouldn't be mentioned in the same breath as Rio at United .
Just out of interest who are these other great cb where they amazing at 22?

Why can't pep and city see how bad he is.

22 Feb 2017 06:26:31
Jred I get your point on Stones that he has time on his hand. But you need to understand where he is at. He is under a manager who doesn't know the D of defending. So, he may have 15 years to progress but under Pep, he wont.

Ed I agree with you, Stones is a media hype and soon would be with a mid table team. Johnny Evans was twice the player Stones is.

{Ed001's Note - I agree on Evans, he is a much better player, just a shame he struggled so badly with injuries, as no one has ever really got to see what he could do.}

22 Feb 2017 06:32:45
Ed 001 lots of folk on here wanted mangala and otemendi at the time both are hopeless imo.
Stones has improvement in him but I'm not sure he will ever reach the level of rio. Personally I see him going the same way as the 2 above but it's way too early to tell. He does need a better and more secure partner he may well have done better alongside kompany but he just seems a bit flakey and his positional sense leaves a lot to be desired. From what I've seen so far bailly has more potential and I think we signed the better player by a million miles.
Cb's do mature later but bailly looks better on the ball and looks miles stronger physically and a much more natural defender than stones. Bailly is making mistakes now that you would not expect him to make in a few years time. I think stones will be making the same mistakes in 10 years time that he is making now
Plus if I was a young cb I'd rather play under Jose than pep I'm sure I would learn more about the art of defending under jose.

{Ed001's Note - I hate to do this kenneth, but I have to agree with you on pretty much all that.}

22 Feb 2017 07:14:06
Well stone the crows ed_eth. You see you are right sometimes😆😆.

{Ed001's Note - why does it feel so wrong then??}

22 Feb 2017 07:31:38
We do agree occasionally.

{Ed001's Note - I always feel dirty afterwards though......}

22 Feb 2017 13:27:01
Jred, I never said anything about a 22 year old rio being mentioned in the same breath as united. You are just choosing something to try and fit your argument when I never mentioned it at all.

But if you want to compare rio and stones at 22, stones doesn't even come close hence why I believe he shouldn't be mentioned in the same breath as him.

22 Feb 2017 13:28:46
BTW stones was horrible last night for city. His touch was extremely heavy, passing was all over the place but his positioning was worse than all of that put together.

22 Feb 2017 17:43:54
Finally, someone agrees with me on Evans! :)







 

 

 
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