30 Nov 2016 06:11:36
Hi Guys
Just been looking at the league table and been away from things for a while. I believe we need a run of wins or we will be out of most things by Christmas.
We have missed the opportunity to pick up points against lesser teams at home and now need to do it the hard way.
December is always a pivotal month in the PL and i think we need 5 wins out of 6 to get back into the mix. I do not expect anyone above us to win more than 3 in their next 6 games.
If we could actually do this we will be within 4 or 5 points of the top by January and in the mix. Anything else will make it very difficult.
Must beat Everton and Spurs to have a chance. Always the hard way i guess.
30 Nov 2016 09:16:12
' I do not expect anyone above us to win more than 3 in their next 6 games'
I take it you havnt looked at the fixtures yet.
30 Nov 2016 10:42:22
Hi X - We have a good run of winnable games coming up, I'd expect 12 points absolute minimum from the 18. If he gets 6 or less I think we will be looking for a new manager in the New Year.
I don't want him to fail of course before anyone starts taking what I say out of context, but if he does fail then I can't see how the board can't act. Half way through the season and if on anything like 26 points (still not enough to get in to top 4 as the league table stands now) he will be sacked imo.
30 Nov 2016 11:43:42
Beast,
Who do we get then? I really think people (you) need to get the sacking the manager thing out of your head, you are mentioning it in every other post and I don't think it is necessary and certainly not something the club / large majority of the fans would want.
30 Nov 2016 12:27:41
Not my job to pick the manager. I don't interview them.
But are you saying you would still keep a manager who has us on 26 points half way through the season? I don't think many fans will see it that way in 6 games times if that is the points tally and we are 12+ points off 4th place. I certainly don't think the owners will and they are who matter when it comes to who manages us.
At the minute the performances are ok, but nothing special. If results don't improve then only a fool would stick with him, especially as he doesn't like Manchester and has made that known publicly (very unprofessional, like some of his other antics) .
30 Nov 2016 12:32:59
Jose = Born winner 😆😆.
30 Nov 2016 13:01:35
He was BFRO - but when you fall off that mountain top, it's much harder to get back up there, than for somebody who hasn't fallen or even been there before.
The more I watch and listen to him, the more I feel that fall came at the start of 2015, as he limped to the title with Chelsea. First half of that season they were class, his confidence has gone now.
30 Nov 2016 13:25:20
I'm sorry beast but this is getting ridiculous with the exception of some questionable finishing we would be right up there the way you we are playing is commendable I've enjoyed these last 15+ games more than anything over the last 3 seasons.
Then you have to ask who do you get in? The job would turn into a poisoned chalice much like the England job I hope the club aren't thinking in the way you are beast imo the very future of the club depends on it.
30 Nov 2016 13:29:58
United was always going to be on his CV. Abramovic wanted him to stay for a long time but that lying cheating Chelsea team put an end to that vision. i'm totally convinced that we will be back on top with Jose in charge and hopefully build that empire Abramovic wanted. You have to admit we have played some great football this last month . Keep the faith 😆😆.
30 Nov 2016 13:35:10
I'm not seeing a team not playing for the manager, I'm seeing a team playing good football and missing chances, would Alan curbishley or Sam Alardyce have made rashford put that chance away on Sunday? I'm assuming that's who you want as not sure there are too many available at the moment.
So basically you've looked at the worst case scenario and then said if that happens we should sack the manager and you're all stupid if you disagree. Why not balance it out looking at the best case scenario as well, or would that go against the beasts character? It's quite clear you will never be happy, if we won the league you would say it wasn't by enough points.
I like you and like your passion but your negativity is brutal at times mate, I just can't get on board with being. So pessimistic when the games I am watching don't make me feel that way.
30 Nov 2016 13:44:11
If we are on 26 points half way through the season, I would say not acting could mean the very future of the club depends on it. It's a big IF, but I don't see how the Glazers can't act in that scenario. It sounds ridiculous, but thinking we would be this far off already would also sound ridiculous at the start of the season, (especially when I put £250 on us winning the league) .
I'd love nothing more than a manager to be given time if they are doing and saying the right things. Luck is no excuse, every club could say if XYZ happened we would be far better off. He needs to start winning quickly in the league, or it will be over before it's even begun.
Virtually any manager would take up the challenge, they have nothing to lose. mega money, low expectations and massive budgets, dream job, just Madrid don't have trouble hiring/ firing managers until they get the one they want.
30 Nov 2016 13:54:28
GDS2 - my previous post was sent before your latest one. I just want to say that I'm looking at a bad situation because the results aren't good and if it continues down this line it is dangerous. Obviously I want us to win the next 6 games, that goes without saying. if he does win them in style then there will be nobody worried. However I am worried for the club and the managers future if he doesn't sort it quickly.
I'm just making an observation based on X Files post talking about the next 6 games. I think they are crucial for many reason, not least that 4 of them are definite wins on paper.
30 Nov 2016 13:58:56
What is a "Winnable" game? We have flattered to deceive and totally disappointed against Stoke, Burnley, Arsenal and West Ham. So how are we suddenly going to turn into this ruthless team that takes all their chances? The omens are not boding well as our strikers seem to be short on confidence. I don't expect us to win more than two out of all these games.
30 Nov 2016 14:13:03
If someone like LVG has that much time I think I am ok to give Jose more time as I feel Jose is much better than LVG.
And yes I didn't like Jose initially but he has gotten the team to play better. Hopefully we get sharper in front of the goal area.
30 Nov 2016 13:34:30
Beast I have to disagree with you. Sacking the manager will not solve anything we have been crap for years now it was never going to get better within one season let alone a quarter or half a season. The way I see it as x said its going to be done the hard way. It will be hard for anyone connected with United from the fans to the staff the board and sponsors. There is no quick fix and you are only setting yourself up for disappointment by expecting one.
30 Nov 2016 14:45:34
So it is all about the points now beast, funny as i remember a certain guy telling us again and again and again how entertaining defeats are better than boring victories.
We are playing ok football are we, let's see what ok means shall we, we have created more chances than every epl club barring city n liverpool who are apparently playing fabulous football as per everyone, we have had more shots on goal at same stage than utd under fergie in his last season. Zlatan missing chances is on mourinho but if everyone from pogba to rashford are also doing the same can't blame jose for that, we look iffy at the back from time to time, but look at our goals conceded and u will see it is more individual mistakes that lead to goals than any fault in tactics. But yeah let's sack the manager.
30 Nov 2016 14:48:45
Guys it's all conjecture and I'm sure we all want him to turn the ship around. Trouble is if we had signed on Jose before his catastrophe at Chelsea, then maybe there wouldn't be this niggling feeling with a few of us that his best may be behind him. Like a boxer getting knocked out the last fight, or a horse falling in the previous race, you aren't quite sure how that effects them. The signs are it's rattled him and you can see why Chelsea got rid.
It happened with LVG and some of our fans were saying that it was the case with Jose before we took him on. Quite a few Chelsea fans were saying we are welcome to him as well.
I wanted him and I did like his ego/ confidence, but that isn't the Jose we are seeing imo. We are seeing a grumpy old man at the minute. The football has been better recently, but it's nowhere near the standards we should be expecting, that will take time, but he's not setting the world alight on the pitch and off it in my view - next 6 games will dictate whether we start again or he starts to correct things in my view.
30 Nov 2016 16:51:44
Beast who would you replace him with?
This is getting ridiculous, we have been crap for years and you expect us to be like real or Barcelona over night?
Mourinho has been the most successul manager in premier league after Fergue i am sure he knows a thing or two about football.
You wanted better football last year and didn't care about results but now we are seeing improvements in our game and you want results.
Mourinhos tactica and team will take time to implement we have been having new players each year and half the players in our current team isn't suited to Mourinhos tactics.
There comes a time you have to give your manager time to build the team otherwise we will be here talking about our next manager same time next year not performing.
30 Nov 2016 17:15:40
Singh - I don't know, but are you telling me no other manager could have us doing better than what we are? I would wager that every current Premier League manager would have us higher in the league this season, so if he continues down this path I'd replace him with dozens of managers - this isn't the Mourinho we thought we were getting, just like LVG wasn't the LVG most thought we were getting. He has time to arrest the situation, but not much.
People change with time, I just can't believe so few people are prepared to accept this may be a possibility, especially after the last manager.
I don't expect us to be like Real Madrid overnight, you are talking extremes. I understand why you are because had you asked any Utd fan what our points tally would be at this stage before we started the season, nobody would have said this low. It is EXTREMELY bad at the minute regarding league points, with a recent increase in entertainment value granted, but not incredible.
I wanted A LOT better football, this is a bit better and only if you count the past few games. The bar was very low and Jose is still clipping it as he passes over it for me.
Everyone was saying the same about LVG needing time, until they weren't. I want to give him the next 6 games, I don't want him sacked now, but if we are on 26 points after 6 more games he needs to be axed, unless we are playing much better football. I would make the tough call, because managers need to earn time when they have the resources he has had and coming off the back of a disaster with his former club and many off field issues as well.
Anyway, I'm positive about tonight, 4-0 thumping.
30 Nov 2016 18:14:57
So you'd sack the manager and unsettle team again, Beast?
The team is playing well, only problem is we're not finishing our chances.
30 Nov 2016 18:40:56
Is the team settled JK7?
I'm not knocking the performances of late, I'm saying that if he doesn't start getting points soon then the party could be over before it's really begun. He isn't helping himself either, so that is why I am saying 6 games to turn it around could be crucial before the New Year.
If something isn't working you have to change it nowadays, we should have learnt that lesson from LVG. Some people can only remember the past few games it seems. Luck is a dangerous word as well, it's a weak word that losers use all too frequently.