26 Nov 2016 13:21:01
what do people think about the fact we have give ibra an other year.
26 Nov 2016 13:28:40
From zlatans press conference i think the second year comes into action automatically if he plays a certain number of games.
26 Nov 2016 13:39:26
would be a stupid decision based on his recent performances, if jose is as ruthless as he tries to portray he should have zlatan gone along side bastian and rooney come end of the season. But sadly it seems a second season is in the offing and i really don't think it is going to end well for utd if he stays, he is a striker whose has no pace and we don't have wingers to use his aerial prowess, he isn't exactly a mobile player and is becoming a burden as his finishing seems to have deserted him, i hoped he would be our cantona sort of a catalyst but sadly he hasn't proven himself to be even half as good as rvp let alone cantona.
26 Nov 2016 13:43:42
I'm disappointed with the timing and the message it sends, if all is as it seems. He hasn't been playing well, it tells people "this is the standard". I would much rather we waited until the New Year and to see how he goes, carrot and stick.
Again it seems desperate on the surface to me.
I can't help but think that maybe Martial had been promised a more central role this season by the club and that may have something to do with his loss of heart/ form. We also will see less of Rashford in that role now, another than has gone backwards due to now being seen as a utility player. If Zlat was pulling up trees then great, more to the game than tap ins and he has been consistently one of the worst performers since signing.
26 Nov 2016 13:58:00
He's Jose's man, and can do no wrong in his eyes. More of political decision than a footballing one.
26 Nov 2016 14:15:30
One minor positive of this is it will stop all the media circus that would have dominated from Xmas until Summer about whether Zlat will sign an extension or not.
26 Nov 2016 14:58:42
I'm with you guys on this. But Beast, martial has been woeful towards the end of last season, woeful for France at the Euros and woeful for us so far this season.
He's had personal problems that have naturally affected him and his performances. Jose will have to sort his head and get him focused on the job at hand. Until then, he does not deserve a starting berth.
26 Nov 2016 15:38:18
I'm delighted. Good call imo. He was involved in first 3 goals on thur. His finishing will improve (or get back to normal) and he will score 20 plus this season. He has 8 already and in all likelihood will have 10 before Xmas.
Rooney seems to be resounding to the challenge sey dowm to him as has mata it's up to martial and Rashford to do likewise.
26 Nov 2016 15:55:56
I put him back in my dream team for tomorrow. I don't know whether that's a good thing or not.
26 Nov 2016 16:00:35
Yeah it's a bit of a reach regarding Martial - maybe it was an extra brick on the wall of despair, with the GF, number change as well.
A sign of a good manager is how they bring these players back to their best, rewarding Ibra for poor performances isn't exactly the right message to send to those other youngsters under performing.
26 Nov 2016 17:05:39
I have to trust Jose on this one. He wants him there and that's good enough for me.
26 Nov 2016 15:53:09
Think zlatan has been ok, started like a house on fire and has still been getting plenty of chances, should probably have 5 more than he has but at least the chances are there. He is clearly a model professional and will show some of the younger lads how to have a long successful career, not sure why the negativity, guess it shows we are playing better when this is what people find to moan about.
26 Nov 2016 17:20:28
I think Zlatan's a split second behind being brilliant at the moment which has been unfortunate. It could go two ways but I am inclined to be cautiously optimistic regarding the whole team. I think there is evidence of improvement throughout and I think Zlat will not be an exception. Overall we have played better than our points tally.
26 Nov 2016 17:24:07
Jose has to retain Zlatan as our striking options have not proven consistency and no guarantee of the killer instinct. Mind you Rash is good and Roo seems to come back. But it is not a certain that they can perform game in game out. So I feel Zlatan is a good extension. Afterall I think he will go after he has done his objective of helping the team to provide a threat upfront and give time to Rash and hopefully Martial to step up.
So I think there is no issue of an extension if he can hep stabilize the team just like Carrick for our midfield whilst we explore and get good replacements. It takes time to rebuild and remold the team after what we have been through the last few years.
Be patient and stand behind the team and the manager so as to enjoy the fruits to come.
26 Nov 2016 18:17:16
Sometimes it feels like you can't have any discussion here at the moment with being accused of whinging. Zlatan has come to us on massive wages, with a massive ego and massive reputation. So far he has been pretty underwhelming. He's one of a few undroppable players, but hasn't really stepped up in big games, and has been very wasteful in front of goal.
Hasn't been a poor player, but hasn't given any reason to think that he's worth another season here.
The underlying factor is that he's a big personality and a has a good relationship with Jose. This is understandable given that Jose is trying to cement control over the dressing room. But the club could bring in a far more effective striker than a 35 year old sauntering toward retirement.
26 Nov 2016 18:31:01
Gds he isn't there to create chances he is there to finish them, it is his piss poor finishing that has seen us drop points, from missing an open goal against city to missing chance after chance against burnley. It is not negative to say striker missing clear cut chances in games which end up drawing or losing is hurting us, it is the truth.
26 Nov 2016 18:39:49
Also iirc zlatan ibrahimovic has one of the poorest shot conversion rate among all top strikers.
26 Nov 2016 20:06:07
CSM I'm confident you will eat your words by the end of the season. Only time will tell.
26 Nov 2016 20:45:40
my issue is he has the worse pass c/ p of any united player .
that said jose is playing him as a target man and its a hard job .
if fit he plays so the question is are people happy to not buy a big name striker in the summer.
with rash and martial i'm ok with that but i do think ibra is blocking both .
ibra is still a very good player but just my own opinion i would like a more mobile striker.
26 Nov 2016 23:19:27
Non of our strike options are unstoppable but overall they are getting better and we've have other areas we need to strengthen. Shows stability which is good for the team. Could be brilliant timing . I'd hope he'd be more of an option next season but would we need both him and Wayne?
27 Nov 2016 02:50:29
I would be happy to ken, but i don't think that will happen sadly.
27 Nov 2016 02:52:36
GDS2 - what are you talking about friend? Folk have been critiquing Zlatan's performances during the bad spells as well as the good. You always go on about negative comments yet your above post instigates such comments.
Ken - a day or two ago you said Zlatan will net 25 plus goals this season now it is 20 plus, what has changed your mind over the weekend to chop a 'guaranteed' 5 goals off the tally?
I am with everyone else at the moment. For me he is isn't the player who we need in this team. He is too static and doesn't do enough for the team. Long gone are the days a forward could poach up front without contributing to the side throughout the 90 mins. You just have to look at the strikers in the PL's top clubs first 11 to see that. Players like Firminio, Kane, Costa, Aguero and Sanchez etc put themselves about drifting in and out of positions throughout a match.
Simply put, Move Zlatan along and allow him to lucratively retire in the States with dignity. Hone Rashford or even Martial for the CF role long term.
27 Nov 2016 07:36:27
The agree with Danny. I think he's here to give JM an ally he can trust in the dressing room whilst he works out who is with him and who isn't. He hasn't played particularly well and remains pretty static but he is proven winner, a big personality, and JM's lieutenant.
27 Nov 2016 09:45:53
I think there may be big changes in the next two windows, perhaps Rooney will move on, leaving us short of experience both up front and of winning titles. Maybe that is part of the thinking. Also, who on here knows what impact Zlatan is having behind the scenes on the younger players?
Our under 18's are creating waves, Angel Gomes and perhaps Boonen, who on here knows whether they look good enough for Mourinho but need another year to develop and a Zlatan extension buys that year. Who also knows whether it is to ensure Zlatan doesn't tail off become distracted trying to do deals elsewhere early next year. If he then wanted to go we may let him.
Personally I think the team around Zlatan has not been great either, too static and on Thursday we saw more mobility plus an angry Rooney with a point to prove rather than the docile captain under control the last couple of years have seen.
I have no problem with extending Zlatan's time with us as the manager sees what he is doing day to day.
27 Nov 2016 11:02:29
I don't think anyone would deny JM his right to extend the Zlatan deal. The question, was "what we think about it? ", so personally he hasn't done enough where it counts. We can all speculate on the rationale and that is all it is, speculation. The simple fact is that he has not delivered the performances on the pitch to justify an extension as yet. This is why I would have waited to see if he can "EARN" himself a new deal, rather than handing him one out of weakness.
I'm not overly bothered about the decision, I just wouldn't have made it myself yet.
27 Nov 2016 12:05:35
Still he has scored more than any of our strikers so far. Rashford is quite good but he simply can't be asked to carry the goal scoring burden of the team. You mention firminho, aguero, Sanchez etc but they are all in their mid and late 20s rashford is still a teen and there are few other better strikers to learn from than zlatan. I would rather have zlatan stay one more year than splash the cash on another striker with a 5 year contract who will get in rashford and martials way.