08 Nov 2016 09:14:51
It somehow feels that the current Manchester United manager cannot win from some people who have made up their mind already. Anything he says or does is crap.
Taking the current comments that he has made against his own players, people are questioning his man management style.
I ask you a question. Were you people equally enraged when the great SAF kicked Beckham. When he fell out with Stam. When he fell out with RVN or when he used press conferences to turn the people against Rooney. The answer is NO. None of you did.
Its just that its Jose and you don't like him and hence, anything he does is BS.
and you people are questioning Jose for whom? Smalling? I guess most on here would have been happy to see him leave in the summer. Now you want to back him against the manager?
Shaw? Have you actually seen him play this season? He has been hopeless. And his attitude is questionable to say the least. I think one of the eds mentioned the same in a reply to a post.
I think Jose is a smart man who knows what he is doing. If you can't take it in your stride and grow a pair of balls then its better you stay away. These are just some spoilt brats who have achieved too much too soon and that has gotten to their heads. A certain Brand comes to mind.
08 Nov 2016 09:28:25
Well i find it funny how everyones turned on shaw all of a sudden. It was literally only a couple of months ago he was seen as pivotal player and the loss of him last season was said to be one of the reasons we performed so badly last year.
Most people also said memphis depays poor season was down to shaws injury. In fact if you asked any utd fan if there was one position we wouldn't have to worry about for the next 10 years it would be left back along with rashford/ martial up top.
Now fair enough jose wants to give these youngsters a rocket up their backsides and favour more experienced players for the time being. But he will find out just as he did at chelsea with ivanovic, terry, lampard and drogba, these players can't go on forever and if he wants to stay here long term, the likes of shaw and martial are going to be key for him.
08 Nov 2016 10:28:11
SAF didn't do that for many years, only when he had established himself and created success, Berating your players in public is never a good idea and less so when you only just arrived. Something is amiss somewhere.
08 Nov 2016 10:42:40
I'm a shaw fan, I like him, never know what goes on behind scenes tho and at the end of the day we've got to be behind the manager, club needs the right mentality of player and stability to move forward.
08 Nov 2016 11:47:30
Agree DSG, Shaw is a very good player. I don't doubt his ability and neither has Jose. Its the attitude and the heart that is being questioned here. Is he in the right frame of mind? Agreed he has come back from a very bad injury, but it was 14 months ago and he has played for almost 3 months now. And who is he to declare himself not fit on the day of the game when the doctors have passed him.
AJH, to your comment, SAF did it after he had established himself. Would you or the club would allow Jose to be here if he served up nothing for as many years as SAF did in his initial years or would you back him till the end. Football has changed and so have the players. They are spoilt.
Martial was anoid because his jersey number was changed. O for gods sake, its a jersey number dammit.
These people need a stick up their arses. If we had a Keane as captain, I am afraid most of these brats would have lost their jaws by now.
I am backing Jose and as I read, most of the players are backing Jose as well.
08 Nov 2016 12:27:17
Fergie only criticised specific players in public when he had already decided that they were going to be sold, or in Rooney's case when he handed in a transfer request.
As for Keane, I get the feeling he might be more sympathetic to Shaw than you're making out:
"When you come back from a bad injury you know, in medical terms, that the injury is healed. But you still have to deal with the battles in your head. "
"I doubt if painkilling injections are as regular now as they used to be, because of the advances in sports science. I don't think players would put up with it. "
He has also said that he wishes he didn't play through pain so much at United because he might have saved his hips and extended his career.
The fact of the matter is that Jose is behaving in the exact same way that alienated him at Chelsea last season. I want him to succeed, but to do that he has to learn from his mistakes. Address problems privately, and don't act like a child throwing a tantrum by running to tell the media every time a player doesn't do what he wants them to do. He needs to have a little bit of respect for his players, and his own dignity.
08 Nov 2016 12:43:10
Welsh Red Devil, the club needs a manager with the right mentality and stability. Personally I think Jose is mental and very unstable.
08 Nov 2016 13:23:22
for some jose can do no right, for others he can do no wrong
dsg makes a good point, people have been very quick to turn on shaw .
i think you judge it each case at a time .
smalling often seems to have injuries bit like sturridge or robben and a few others . maybe some players do need to man up .
but shaw has had a major injury and that can take a lot of getting over.
it took ramsey and tony v a while .
the lad has just turned 21, i would expect the club to support the player as best they can not give him a hard time in the media .
even the england camp have been said they are aware he has had issue with his leg.
you would also hope the fans would be a bit understanding that this is a young lad returning from a major injury and it might take a while to get back to a 100 % both physically and mentally.
08 Nov 2016 14:16:47
Ajh ask Norman Whiteside paul mcgrath remi moses Kevin moran etc how quick fergie was to slate then publicly? A lot sooner than you remember that's for sure.
If the culture in the club is wrong then call out those responsible and cull them. Fergie had to do it and did. Jose might just be doing the same. Have you considered that?
08 Nov 2016 14:43:20
fergy done a lot for norman and mcgrath of the pitch .
but there is a difference between a drinking culture and a young lad, 7 games into his comeback after an horrific injury, who doesn't feel fit to play .
i posted at the time i thought the team was jose making a statment, he went with the experianced players .
it may off been a kick up the bum for a lot of the young players he left out . rash martial linders shaw all of which have been a bit off even miki.
but i think he is out of order on shaw, it can take more than 7 games to get over an injury like that.
08 Nov 2016 15:35:33
Can't believe you compared a horrendous injury with boozing, Ken. Totally different situations.
08 Nov 2016 15:55:08
Fergie wasn't even that critical about them, all he said about McGrath was that he didn't have the stamina to play in his midfield. In fact, he has always said that McGrath would have been one of the world's best if he wasn't an alcoholic.
Anyway, as Stevie and jred have said, selling a few established players to try to curb the drinking culture at the club is a million miles away from publicly battering a young player who needs a bit if extra time to get over a traumatic double leg break that could have ended his career.
08 Nov 2016 16:14:37
I'm with you stand.
08 Nov 2016 16:17:07
Shan, even.
:)
08 Nov 2016 16:25:33
Shaw was out of condition well before his injury. Maybe not booze but not rice and pasta for sure.
08 Nov 2016 17:36:51
None of us know what happens behind the scenes. We do know that the attitude throughout the club has been negative, just by the amount of players missing for weird reasons, poor overall play, failure results wise and with recent managers failures (EPIC) .
Things needed turning around. If attitude is the problem then I am pleased Jose is attempting to clean it up, however the major thing should be on the field performances. Martial and Shaw were incredible last season when they played, they have been awful this season. Pogba and Ibra have been awful as well.
Jose hasn't been here long enough to have earned our immediate trust, so for us to pick sides is a bit futile at this stage as we don't have enough info. The team has been poor for a long time, Jose needs to stop speaking out in public about internal problems, it is unprofessional.
I find it ironic that he is bitching about players being unprofessional, yet his action are the height of unprofessionalism. Jose needs to attack the cause, not the result of the problem. Young kids and brand new signings don't want to have an attitude, compounding the problem isn't the way to go - especially as we have seen how good they can be even under a shocking LVG or for other clubs.
Jose doesn;t want to lose the dressing room, Martial, Shaw, Miki look like easy targets to me - I sense managerial weakness, but maybe there is more to it. I do know we shouldn't turn on Shaw without specifics, especially after his bad injury. After the Chelsea fiasco it is going to take a lot to convince me that Jose knows how to address issues amicably for the betterment of everyone, that concerns me most of all. 20 year olds need private rollockings not public criticism, a clown knows that much! Looks weak to me so far.
08 Nov 2016 18:17:46
Couldn't agree more with shan and beast and Ken. There is an attitude problem and Jose has spotted it and is dealing with it. This is not a time for softly softly. These overpaid young men need to be hauled back and reminded how lucky they are.
I think Shaw has been dreadful and frankly speaking I never saw why email paid so much money for him. England manager complained about his Wright issue. So there must be an underlying problem with him.
Smalling is just not good enough so I wouldn't be sad to see him go.
08 Nov 2016 19:28:11
Agree schmid it's been too ready for too many for too long.
Shaw has ability but is not a good defender imo. He has a lot to learn He could not even fit into bastians shorts and that's saying something and that has nothing to do with his injury.
08 Nov 2016 19:41:07
is it the right attitude to have towards the young players?
jose has a bit of a rep in this area .
over the last couole of years he has had issues with de druyne with the player saying
“After four months, I asked him to leave. I didn’t want to stay at a club where I wasn’t even playing for 10 minutes. He said it was my attitude in training? It is an excuse he can use.
“But no-one can say that as they haven’t seen me train. I don’t think that in Belgium or in the Bundesliga they have complained about this"
jose questioned de bruyne attitude to make it at a top club .
lukaku he sold and jose said "The thinking behind the move was the fact that Romelu was always very clear with us, in his mentality, in his approach, he was not highly motivated to come to a competitive situation at Chelsea, "
does he expect to much from young players? . we all know young modern footballers are overpaid . who have never lived in the real world but its still a managers job to get the best out of them, something jose has struggled with in the past .
one of jose last interviews at chelsea was "We have no problems physically clearly it's an attitude perspective of some individuals.
and when you have individuals with that unstable attitude in terms of motivation, desire and commitment you will pay. "
he was right, he payed with his job .
i think these sort of things should be sorted in house once players or managers are getting called in the media it doesn't tend to end well.
08 Nov 2016 20:23:57
"Your body has to learn to adapt to new intensities of training and in this time you have to learn what is serious pain and what is only pain"
Not said by Jose but by Klopp, about Sturridge, it wasn't kept in house, it didn't jeopardise the managers position and Sturridge responded.
Too soft for too long on the pitch and it needs to change if we are to fight for titles.
08 Nov 2016 20:36:02
Redman
Jose can do no wrong.
08 Nov 2016 21:49:26
No jred but he doesn't do everything wrong either.
09 Nov 2016 04:57:23
ken
there is middle ground, i'm a jose fan but i think he is out of order having a go at shaw, for all the points made above .
that said I've not seen a single post saying he shouldn't of had a go at the squad or smalling or squad, all though its a dangerous game to do it in the media.
but for a few like yourself jose can do no wrong.