04 Oct 2016 10:41:17
So Giggs overlooked for the Swansea job after not interviewing well.
Thats interesting, did he show a lack of enthusiasm or a lack of vision. Swansea have normally done quite well with picking out good managers, and for some reason they didn't feel happy to go with Giggs.
What does that indicate for his future in management?
04 Oct 2016 11:23:23
I wouldn't pay much attention to tabloid gossip. He could have been overlooked for any number of reasons - wage demands, transfer budget expectations, he could have turned them down, etc.
Personally, Giggs hasn't given any indication over the last three seasons that he'll be a top manager. But it's up to him to go out and prove himself. My inclination is that he doesn't want to do the hard graft and manage in a lower division first.
04 Oct 2016 11:39:53
I must say Snappy I was thinking the very same thing. Giggs is and always will be a club legend but I don't think. we have seen anything in his short few games in charge and as a number 2 to suggest he has what it takes. well for a premier league club to take such a risk anyway.
I hope he does make a good manager. but he needs to earn that opportunity. Who will give him that chance I don't know.
So many habe tried and so few have succeeded in that transition from top top player to top manager.
04 Oct 2016 12:08:39
I'm not sure if he wants it enough. As a player you only have to Kim after yourself. He appears from the outside like quite a selfish person and in management you can't be selfish you need to be selfless to a certain extent. As a player its ok to be selfish and focus on your own well being and fitness, shape etc but a manager needs to think about everybody elses well being first. It's a completely different mindset to being a player. Time will tell if he can develop those skills.
04 Oct 2016 12:30:55
American owners and preferred an former USA national team manager simple as that for my money, but I could be completely wrong.
04 Oct 2016 12:31:37
How do you know he didn't interview well Shappy? Is there a reliable source?
04 Oct 2016 13:12:15
I don't think anyone has seen anything from Giggs to say he will be a good manager at a premiership club - or a bad one.
Interesting though that Swansea fans seem to be slightly concerned as to what direction the new American owners will take the club, apparently they are big fans of moneyball and trends and patterns in American sports teams . not necessarily football -and going with an American manager is a risk- only going on what I've read last few days on forums.
04 Oct 2016 13:14:26
RWWD, he was interviewed and not given the job. That would indicate he wasn't too outstanding. There have been a couple of sources saying that he didn't interview well.
Class92, I don't know how much the American owners influence the decision, they have so far had a hands off approach. I think its an easy connection to make due to Bob Bradley being American and the new owners being too. But would investors really make a financial decision based on nationality?
04 Oct 2016 13:27:44
If Giggs had got it could it not have been claimed that his nationality played a part.
04 Oct 2016 14:33:07
Giggs should try and go for Aston villa job. I think that would be a much better fit for him.
If he managed to get them back in to the premier it would do very well for his credibility.
04 Oct 2016 14:47:35
Big club Angel with a good history. But they are in a mess right now with a shocking squad and plenty of boardroom upheaval. Villa imo look destined for relegation with that bunch of players. Right club at the wrong time for giggs would be a disaster. Look at what happened to ole by making the wrong choice.
04 Oct 2016 15:16:46
That he was the right choice for us before this fool named Jose took over. It should now be a certainty that Giggs get it after Jose fails, and by fails I mean gets us back to the top and make us champions.
04 Oct 2016 18:01:49
Yeah Ken maybe not the best shout. But their owner seems to be saying the right things at the moment.
I just thought it would be a good choice for Giggs. But maybe I am completely wrong.
I would love to hear the opinions of the eds on this and what Giggs is actually like. Is he or will he be able to transform into a decent manager.
{Ed001's Note - personal opinion is that Giggs would struggle as a manager, he has no personality to inspire players, plus who would trust him? If he can betray his own brother, he would struggle to have the trust of the players, which is a big negative. Also, I have seen no signs of his coaching making improvements to players.}
04 Oct 2016 18:27:07
Thanks ed001 I always appreciate your view on things. Straight!
{Ed001's Note - I have seen a lot of moans from other coaches on the same courses as him over his fast tracking due to being Ryan Giggs as well. There is a lot of ex-players who get to waltz through the coaching courses without actually putting in the hours. He is one that has been held up to me as an example in the past.
And you are very welcome. I was going to leave it for one of the United eds, as I am out with a cousin who has come over from Canada and I haven't seen him in 25 years, but Giggs is one that a lot of people involved in the game have mentioned as an example of a player they think will struggle to rise up beyond coaching at a lower level. Though he could work well in tandem with a good assistant who specialises in providing inspiration, I would think that same assistant could manage just as well without him.}
05 Oct 2016 02:04:27
Agree with all the reasons why Giggs is probably not going to make it as a top manager except the trust and shagging bit. Can't see how that would make a difference to most players.
05 Oct 2016 05:44:41
All conjecture if you ask me and we will only be able to judge his coaching acumen until he lands a job and does it for a few years and then we can have our opinion of his ability. Really not a fair or debate worth of substance until then and all here say. Guardiola and Zidane did not exactly go out there start at lower leagues and they seem to have done very well so far.
05 Oct 2016 07:56:25
Zidane for my liking hasn't done much. The players have won it for him.
05 Oct 2016 08:09:49
Thanks for the info ed001. You are pretty much bang on about these things and seem to have great sources. I too have my reservations on whether or not Giggs can become a great coach. But I always feel that to become a good manager/ coach you have to have some sort of integrity, I don't believe that he has any.
{Ed001's Note - the problem is that British football makes it far too easy for ex-players to jump into coaching/management. They get pass marks, even if they show no real aptitude, if they are put on courses by big clubs, in particular. There is no reason for that to happen, coaching is a totally different skill from playing, they need to learn it. That is not easy. Sometimes their marks can be the lowest on that course (as happened with a certain ex-player, who has worked with the England coaching set up in the past and is still involved with Premier League teams) but they get given high grades just because of who they are. Zidane is another one, fast tracked into management purely because he is Zizou, not because he has proven himself to be a good coach. He might well become a good coach, but right now he is there purely because of who he is, not what he can do.}