28 Sep 2016 16:48:00
Been thinking about the poison chalice that is the England manager position. I don't think we have the players good enough to play attractive, expansive attacking football where we dominate midfield. So I thought maybe we could play in a similar way to Wales or Ireland, compact, defensively sound, pressing in our own half, working as a team and countering at pace.
The problem I ran onto was
1) everyone (fans and media) would complain we were boring
2) teams, especially the weaker ones, tend to sit deep and counter attack us whereas they tend to be more open and attacking against teams like Wales and Ireland.
How do you think we should try to play? We are too good to play negative football, but not good enough to threaten the top teams if we try to dominate possession or play attacking football.
28 Sep 2016 16:56:02
I think we have the players, but we lack courage. Sterling, Lallana, Kane, Alli, Vardy, Walcott, Rashford, Sturridge are all effective attacking players. There will be more like Barkley, Lingard, Ox. Walker/ Clyne and Rose/ Shaw are attacking full backs.
Sherwood would be my shout, he'll get the most out of us as an attacking unit - yes we will look dodgy at the back, but we are anyway, so time to attack, attack, attack.
28 Sep 2016 17:01:18
C'mon, Beast. Sherwood? What has he ever accomplished in management that would make you think he would be the right guy to lead England? You're smoking that funny stuff again, aren't you :)
28 Sep 2016 17:47:50
haha - We have so few games and he is all about motivation and attacking intent. He also doesn't seem to care about "schmoozing", he would bring the passion we desperately need.
I don't think internation football is the same as domestic management at all and that is why I don't think we should be looking at journeymen, boring football managers like Bruce, who have done nothing in management despite many attempts. We know exactly what we would be getting with people like him, that Allardyce game went exactly how most of us imagined it would - turgid stuff!
We need somebody to drive the team, tell them how good they are and to play their natural game. Sherwood would do that, there aren't many managers that could do that in my opinion, the very best ones are employed and are at top teams.
I'd take a chance on Sherwood, why not, can't do much worse than the dinosaurs and journeymen we always seem to hire?
28 Sep 2016 18:20:38
Giggs? Can't be any worse than what we've seen surely.
But my shout would be Harry redknapp.
{Ed025's Note - they are the last 2 people i would want associated with the england side trumours, giggs was second man on a bacon slicer to the worst manager in utd,s history and has no experience unless you count cavorting with your brothers wife..despicable person, harry has been involved with more fiddles than yehudi menuhin and his dog has an offshore account ffs, thank god your not on the selectin committee mate.. :)
28 Sep 2016 18:55:38
Imagine if Clougie had been given the job.
28 Sep 2016 20:18:17
I wouldn't class any of them as worldies Beast, there's a lot of potential there but there's no Shearer, Gazza, Scholes, Gerrard or Lampard let alone Adams, G. Nev, Campbell or Cole at the back. I'd sooner have Graham Norton managing than Sherwood.
With the egos these days I doubt a young manager would have any success.
28 Sep 2016 20:50:26
All of these lads look good when there's a couple of them in a club side surrounded by the likes of Aguero, Mane, Courinho, Alexis Sanchez etc .
But just like the Golden Generation days when you put eleven Engliah lads together they don't look so good .
And if Tim Sherwood is the answer it's time to forget about England ever doing anything again.
28 Sep 2016 21:15:42
I agree we lack World Class players, but as a group we have a lot of 8/ 10 players. The missing link is a motivational manager that allows them to play their natural game. We don;t have the players to be a compact defensive unit, nor do we have the players/ manager (if English) to out-think opposition.
With the right "philosophy" and having a good energetic team that "wants" to play football we could do a lot worse than a Sherwood. These old nearly managers are all much of a muchness, i'd rather roll the dice on something we haven't tried for a very long time than go for nearly men, who want to go toe-toe tactically with better managers or with teams that have players who have a lot more pride playing for their country than our guys seem to have.
We need to make England fun, not a distraction from the domestic game if we want to win anything. It can;t get much worse, so Bruce, Southgate are just more of the same garbage. I appreciate I'm in the minority with Sherwood, he did good things with Spurs and Villa was a trap.
{Ed001's Note - Sherwood? Good things? Are you being funny or are you really that ignorant of the utter mess he made at Spurs which led to his dismissal? He is clueless. Forget the fact he is a moron, he has no idea about coaching or managing.}
28 Sep 2016 21:27:31
Why not Louis Van Gaal?
He got the best out of a terrible holland squad
I miss that guy.
Smalling, Stones and Jagielka as a back three. Yayy!
28 Sep 2016 21:38:46
Ed 001 - England don't need a coach, they need somebody that is going to motivate imo. I liked the cut of his jib during interviews, which is all most of us get to see or hear about rival team managers.
I don't have strong feelings on this, but my larger point is that Southgate/ Bruce type managers are tried and tested and have done nothing. Somebody like Sherwood would be worth a punt from my limited knowledge, too much management may be the problem when it comes to our International failures. Letting the lads do what comes naturally may be the key, maybe Sherwood wouldn't do that - but I know Bruce will be the same as nearly every other manager we have had and if I had to choose a manager I would go for Sherwood over the usual suspects.
{Ed001's Note - he is not a motivator mate, it works for one game then he just becomes a joke. If Sherwood is appointed football in England really would be a laughing stock.}
28 Sep 2016 21:50:26
Ed001 - Cheers mate, probably explains why he hasn't done much since and why he isn't talked about for decent jobs.
If somebody exists like my ill-informed idea of Sherwood then we need him to be hired, a Klopp type rather than a Bruce type is my main point.
{Ed001's Note - I agree with your reasoning but it is not Sherwood. For instance, when he was at Norwich, he went flytipping, threw a whole carload of bags out on the side of the road. Each bag was labeled with his name and home address. Like I said, he is a moron.}
28 Sep 2016 21:55:27
Personally I'd go for blanc. He had the language and a decent pedigree.
28 Sep 2016 23:40:48
Glen hoddle deserves a 2nd go. There aren't many to choose from.
29 Sep 2016 09:51:27
Supasub I think hoddle was unfortunate but i also think there may be a skeleton or 2 in the cupboard there, that could cause potential embarrassment further down the line. He is a good coach imo but will the players respond to him his is not the most inspiring if characters?