28 Sep 2016 12:48:02
Id like to weigh in on the whole top player top manager question.
First off, starting with Shappy, what he says about theer being top plap players becoming top managers is pretty rare but using his own non Cartesian erroneous logic. Fact is, there are less top players becoming top managers because there are not so many top players to begin with. Maybe 3 or 4 premier league managers had careers at the top level, and 16 who weren't but taking it from a statistical point if view, there are less thn 2 or 3 % of people involved in football that were top players. This is a very small sample to begin with and stastistically 20 % of top managers used to be top players. So all in all, in terms of percentages, more top players become managers than non top layers do.
That is is without getting into the whole world class vs top class debate.
I consider a top class player someone who has played in a top league, for a tam fighting for titles. For example, Valencia qualifies as a top player. So do players from lesser team who were playing beyond their level. Shawcross, imo, also qualifies. If we wanna get into the world class category, its fair to say a world class player comes up, on average, twice a year as opposed to about 6-7 million players world wide who do.
We just don't have enough data to come up with the world class player becoming world class managers ( ho arguably, are even a more rare commodity )
28 Sep 2016 14:21:42
This has been one of the more confusing debates we have had with so little genuine statistics to back up any side and so much of it down to conjecture and opinion and views of opinions.
I tip my hat to you Mick for totally capturing the whole nature of the debate in your post. I've read it through 5 times now and I'm still not sure whether I agree or disagree with what your saying. Lol.
28 Sep 2016 16:57:43
Great post Mick.
Shappy - I got it first time, maybe it's just reading things you don't want to read, lol.
28 Sep 2016 17:19:03
Beast there isn't anything I don't want to read. If everyone agreed with me on here all the time I'd probably quit the site. I like debating things about our club, I can't do that if everyone thinks the same way.
Mick is a great poster and I've had many good debates with him going back several years. Personally I think there are points I kind of agree with and points I disagree with within Micks post. I also though he could have made his points clearer if he expanded on them a little more.
28 Sep 2016 17:50:09
Shappy - I was toying with you mate, the "lol" at the end (which I don't use often), should have indicated that. He made a point several of us have been making in an erudite way.
28 Sep 2016 23:41:10
Agree completely with that Mick. I think the problem was Shappy was trying to pigeon hole every individual under the same bracket. A strong you say world class players don't come around very often. In fact after seeing the exploits of Messi, Ronaldo and Suarez is it fair to say world class has been taken to another level?