03 Jul 2016 12:26:49
100m for Pogba? No thanks. For that money we should be signing a proven world class player not someone who got the potential to be world class.
I totally don't understand why some of our fans want him at any cost! Totally overrated and inconsistent.
Our midfield has been a huge issue for several years now and we haven't been able to resolve it and nor have any of our midfield signings been able to make it their own. So, it doesn't make any sense to sign a player like Pogba who is going to be off in a couple of years time and we once again start looking for a replacement.
In a couple of years time, Mourinho along with DeGea might be gone somewhere else and we don't need a short term fix like Pogba to come in and be gone and make things even more complicated. I hope the club have a long term vision and bring in players who want to play for the club and would be here for a long long time.
Stability is the key going forward and I hope the club does the right thing.
03 Jul 2016 12:52:52
If the manager wants him then United should try their best to sign him, United pay Jose to make these decisions.
03 Jul 2016 13:43:03
If Mourinho can win over fans and does good, he'll be here for at least 5/ 6 years. And Pogba is only 23, there is no way your spending 100M on a player, just for a short fix!
{Ed004's Note - And if he's sold we will recover most if not more than what we have spent on him}
03 Jul 2016 13:53:26
Like with di maria.
03 Jul 2016 13:55:43
so LetsPlay! United according to u, midfield is our biggest problem but we shouldn't fix it the best player available because he might leave us in future, This over rated, inconsistent kid will walk into most first 11's of the world, be it barca, madrid, bayern. This over rated, inconsistent kid is a lot better than any of our midfielders. i suppose according to you we should never have signed mourinho, he will leave in 4-5 years, i suppose it was a mistake to extend ddg's contract too, he might leave us in couple years. You are the only one i have ever heard call a 23 year old player a short term fix.
This whole sign players who only want to play for the club is rubbish, do you think aguero signed for city because he was a true city fan who wanted to play for the club, same with silva or likes of robben for chelsea etc. Players sign for clubs that can pay what they desire and can compete at the level the players desire, who knows if we sign pogba, in 3 years time end up winning the league and ucl, he might not want to leave, ddg wanted to leave last season, how did that go for madrid, there is a chance he might never end up there.
Stability is a good word to use, ask arsenal how it is working out for them. Chelsea are exactly opposite of what stability means, yet they have multiple titles, a ucl and a europa trophy to show for it. this whole we need a long term vision is fine idea on paper, but it is important that your short term vision is accomplished first for that, we had a long term vision until 2022, that all went into the bin the moment van gaal couldn't get us cl football. If we want to win the league, the cl, we need the best players available and since we aren't exactly madrid or Barcelona it means we pay more than what they do, then so be it. It isn't our money, what our concern is how good a player are we signing, and pogba for me is a very good player.
03 Jul 2016 15:04:16
Well said CSM
Everyone saying you could have any midfielder in the world, how about putting some suggestions forward. With a blank cheque, who would you go and buy who would be better than Pogba?!
I get that he isn't the controlling defensive playmaker that we need to replace Carrick. But he is the type of dynamic creative and powerful box to box that we have craved for years.
I'm not convinced he will come, but if he will then you can't pass up the opportunity.
03 Jul 2016 15:27:11
Good post CSM. Personally there are 3 midfielders of the very highest level who imo would excel and cope best in the epl
Veratti pogba and kante.
Gomes 40m? Looks decent but I'm not sure is ideally suited for the epl I'm sure pogba would do at least twice as well for about twice the money.
The cost is a bitter pill to swallow given the history but if he is instrumental to us winning a couple of titles or a cl title in next 3 years then its money well spent. Personally I believe he is that good.
I'd love to see him in there with morgan and Bastian (the one that pays for Germany) in a 3 man midfield or alongside either one in a 2.
It would be a great signing with no settling / language/ cultural issues. If we can convince him that he can improve and be successful and that he can achieve greatness here then it's worth trying. It is a long shot he may well prefer Madrid but if they can't or won't pay then I can live with that. There are not too many parts at Any club that wouldn't prefer to be turning out at real Madrid at this moment including many if our own.
03 Jul 2016 14:20:12
In theory I would agree with that Ed004. However, all too often these days United pay way over the top in fees and pay massive wages. When, not if, Podba wants his next move, we will again find ourselves in a situation where the player (more to the point his agent) will force through a move that is beneficial to one party - himself.
How many times in recent years have we sold players for a tiny fraction of what we paid for them? Nani, Anderson, van Persie, Berbatov, going right back to the likes of Kleberson, Poborski and even Vernon. I know Ed002 tells us not to worry about the money because we don't understand etc etc. But we surely find ourselves in such positions because nobody else is prepared to pay the massive fees and wages that we do. Therefore, our selling price has to be lowered to a ridiculous amount to of set the wages that the players will no doubt demand from the buying club - surely it is not in the interest of a player leaving United to take a massive paycut to go to another team, if you see what I'm getting at.
I know this is a very over simplified explanation/ theory, but I hope you understand what I mean.
At the end of the day, I am still of the opinion that we need to sign players that want to play for Manchester United. Not mercenaries who will play for the higher bidder.
Just look atmwhat a difference desire and a willingness to play for the cause has made to teams like Leicester, Wales and even Iceland recently.
Its one thing to have skill and ability, but it counts for very little without the desire and work ethic.
Pogba is a, decent player. He is not some new footballing God.
03 Jul 2016 14:42:08
Totally agree Ed, if we pay 100M now and then in a few years Madrid want Pogba, Let them a pay a world record fee!
03 Jul 2016 15:39:10
Kante was playing for caen 12 month ago and was bought for 5 mil .
Just shows there are good players out there not just the big names.
03 Jul 2016 15:53:48
Betty
Thats a great post .
100mil for a player that has walked out on us once and doesn't really want play for united.
Truth is he is at a top club now winning titles and competing in europe . From a football point of view why would he want to come to unite we are not even in the CL.
03 Jul 2016 15:59:04
Pogbas not just a big name atm, he is the best in his position. He needs a good team around him to flourish. Pogba will be our Lampard if you like, that's if we sign him. Remember Lampard had Essien Makelele and even Ballack behind him, giving him freedom to attack. If Mourinho go does anything like that with Pogba at United, we'd be a force and it would add them poaching goals to his game! Pogba could be the best for many years under Mourinho!
03 Jul 2016 16:11:04
I don't think he has been juve best midfielder to be honest .
Good player tho.
03 Jul 2016 17:05:44
How many times do the Ed's say don't think/ talk about money?
£100m plus wages fees etc will be amortised over a 5 year contract eg costing £25m per season. If you factor in press coverage, marketing, share prices, shirt sales. We could make a profit by YR3. Finances are looked at very differently internally.
If you apply the same logic you could say we did ok on the Di Maria.
No point talking about the fee but whether he would improve our team and get us closer to title 21? Which he would.
03 Jul 2016 17:07:53
I know it's not my money, but my worry about paying over the odds, is that it then becomes the norm. We've already set a precedent, and now every team knows Utd will pay silly money for one of their players. Do we really want to be known as the team that always throws around stupid money for players?
{Ed004's Note - In future we will not be buying from a position of desperation hopefully}
03 Jul 2016 18:34:28
Utd Road, yes I agree with what you are saying from the point of view that the player is an 'asset'and his value/ cost being spread over the term of his contract. But I am sure clubs also look at the other side of it too. Why else would clubs refer to "sell on value", or sell players off when they have a year left on their contract?
I know football is not like most other businesses, and I certainly do not profess to know all about the finances, but if we were to but a player for say £50 million and sell his for £30 millionn2 years later, I would not necessarily call that good business, despite his asset value, mor whatever you like to call it.
Ed002 is probably right, and we shouldn't talk about money :)